guyofthetiger
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Graham is surely another injury prone player we pay to b3 on the sidelines…
Cronulla Sharks being investigated over possible salary cap breaches
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Graham is surely another injury prone player we pay to b3 on the sidelines…
happy_tiger
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That's the issue , we don't know what season they were over the cap
Cairnstigers
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S J to the Sharks
After salary cap cheating and financial problems
The NRL is a Joke
That will do me
I just cant believe what I am seeing and hearing
Someone needs a slap over the back of the head
Wake up and save our game before it's to late
Stop this abomination of an NRL competition
Actually it is not just a competition
It is a stacked competition given the green light by the head of the NRL
I wonder if some of the decision makers are recieving brown paper bags because from where I sit it certainly looks like it
What a bunch of ₩@N€£R$
After salary cap cheating and financial problems
The NRL is a Joke
That will do me
I just cant believe what I am seeing and hearing
Someone needs a slap over the back of the head
Wake up and save our game before it's to late
Stop this abomination of an NRL competition
Actually it is not just a competition
It is a stacked competition given the green light by the head of the NRL
I wonder if some of the decision makers are recieving brown paper bags because from where I sit it certainly looks like it
What a bunch of ₩@N€£R$
jirskyr
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You do realise that the salary cap and financial stuff is as much media speculation as anything? Nobody has formally said how bad either situation might be. So you can't assume they are badly cheating the cap - not yet.
Sharks the club might be thinking that signing a popular guy like SJ may help with the revenues, e.g. sponsorship. And just because they let 10 people go, which definitely says they have money flow issues, but the NRL still provies an annual grant that covers the cost of wages.
So with Val Holmes leaving immediately and being on good becoming great money, it's not unreasonable that Sharks can afford SJ.
Remember they pay SJ in installments, they don't have to have all his salary to hand the day he signs on.
happy_tiger
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They've lost Holmes ,Ramien ,Luke Lewis ,Leutele ,Joseph Paulo , Edrick Lee and Dillon
But if they want , we will quite happily take Kurt Capewell off their hands
Tiger_Steve
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I think the problem stems from rosters. I know I look at certain rosters (Rorters, Sharks for example) then compare them to ours and think “what the ….” “How is this fair?” Then you look at everything that club does through the same lense - they must be cheating. It warps your objectivity.
There is so much inequality now and quite frankly it is pissing most people off. Go back through the 2018 world team thread and look at the number of Rorters players. It’s ridiculous. I don’t know how it has got to this. I accept that we have ourselves largely to blame for our lack of success but I can’t help feeling the NRL has no clue as to how many disengaged fans are out there - disengaged due to perceived inequality.
Cairnstigers
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Not perceived at all
It is fact
All you need to do is compare the top 17 players for Sharks and Roosters against our team
What the hell is the salary cap for
It cant be because the NRL is trying to stop clubs going bust
They just proved that with the SJ signing by the Sharks
Sure they let Val go but
Just look at the names in the clubs
You cant have two teams stacked with Australian team members and call it a fair and even competition
You dont need to be a genius to see that all the steps the NRL has taken to try and make a fair and even competition is clearly not working
And it's the rule makers that are the problem here
The issue is in the third party payments
All clubs have the same cap
The difference is the third party payments going to players above the cap
This third party payment should follow the player regardless of what club they play for
It shouldn't give a noticeable advantage to a particular club
Capping third party payments may be the answer
But why would the Nrl care what I think
I've only followed it for 45 Years
Played for leichhardt juniors and league is one of my big passions
But I am getting fed up with the way its going
Or Wests Tigers pay overs for mediocre talent..
guyofthetiger
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Haha yep too true.
It’ll be harder to put SJ in my fantasy team now that’s for sure.
Hopefully he fades on the Sharks back end of season like he has on all the rest of us every year…
guyofthetiger
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To m, if you’ve been over e cap at any point in the recent past at least, then you’re still over untilpenance paid.
The benefit surely carries over even if it was one incident one year…
guyofthetiger
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Yep that’s certainly part of the problem when you don’t make finals.
Bit of a chicken n egg thing in the end.
Tim Sheens
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Yeah, either way, the player salaries which have a minimum total are covered by the NRL grant and paid monthly. That said, it seems that the breaches were crafted and very deliberate, so they should pay the price, having already escaped the peptides relatively scott free.
diedpretty
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Good point - TPA's are not meant to be associated with the club or used as an enticement to play for a particular club. TPA's should be like a contract i.e. if Nike signs Tedesco up for 5 years at say 300k a year and after 2 years he leaves the rorters then the Nike TPA should remain for the next 3 years with whatever club he signs for. This is where the NRL fails miserably - they fail to police TPA rorting by clubs and then when they fluke catching one i.e. Parra or Cronulla they they wrap them over the knuckles with a feather. TPA rorting is every bit as bad as brown paper bags or mystery boats turning up in your garage or not knowing that you had inadvertently signed 2 contracts.
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Great idea.
Out of the kindness of our heart we should send over the mastermind businessman Backdoor Benny!
He could try and sell the whole development for a dollar ( while he I saw getting paid hundreds of thousands) then then Club will rise again! ….or he could brainstorm a few other ideas for them.
jirskyr
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That's the story with the Roosters as well. It's a story, but according to the story, Roosters have intentional low-run years where they clean out their roster and cop a bad table result, in order to open up salary cap space for a 2-3 year tilt with a fresh roster.
So some cynics will tell you the Mitchell Pearce dog incident was used as justification for a poor result in 2016, where they could sure-up their next generation of juniors (Latrell, Radley, Manu all emerging then), target a guy like Keary and let a bunch of contracts like SKD, Guerra, Evans run out.
Could be complete BS, but they definitely have a cyclical nature to their success and failure.
Cairnstigers
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Exactly
jirskyr
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Totally agree. The NRL isn't a level playing field - the NRL artificially introduce restraints on the game to try and even it up.
But you aren't going to match Broncos for sponsorship or Souths for members overnight. And many differences between "quality" of rosters are not just due to TPAs, they include coach, lifestyle, location, continued success, off-field business, rep pathways, business connections etc. etc.
To just point at TPAs and say - "it's all their fault" is too black-white. I reckon, the day the NRL makes TPAs published in public, is the day many conspiracy-theory fans get shocked that the landscape isn't anything like they thought, and have to find another scapegoat to moan about.
As if fans haven't been complaining about "glamour" clubs, cheating, player rorts, preferential treatment since the game began. How do you think non-Dragons felt between 1956-1966 (and to be frank, 10 very successful seasons either side of that run).
Cronulla Sharks coach Shane Flanagan faces ban after fresh evidence discovered in NRL's salary cap scandal investigation
By AAP/WWOS
7 hours ago
Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan is reportedly being investigated by the NRL after the code's integrity unit uncovered evidence he communicated with the club during his 12-month suspension in 2014.
The Daily Telegraph reports that Flanagan has been questioned after emails scanned from the Sharks' internet server as part of the NRL's ongoing salary cap probe raised the suspicions of investigators.
There was an edict, under the terms of Flanagan's suspension, imposed following the supplements scandal that engulfed the club, that the coach was to have no direct or indirect contact with officials and players.
While banned the report says emails and phone messages revealed he conversed with senior staff on issues relating to the 2015 season when he was free to return as head coach.
The report claims that off-contract NRL players and injury updates were part of the communication.
If Flanagan is found to have broken any rules, he could face another ban and the Sharks a big financial penalty. He reportedly met with his manager Wayne Beavis on Tuesday to address the matter.
It is understood the league could hand down a penalty as early as next week.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/sharks-coach-flanagan-being-probed-by-nrl/83be4f3d-ebab-43fc-9777-e795c5c82131
Bye Bye you cheating numbat…
Hold on maybe we should sign him..
By AAP/WWOS
7 hours ago
Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan is reportedly being investigated by the NRL after the code's integrity unit uncovered evidence he communicated with the club during his 12-month suspension in 2014.
The Daily Telegraph reports that Flanagan has been questioned after emails scanned from the Sharks' internet server as part of the NRL's ongoing salary cap probe raised the suspicions of investigators.
There was an edict, under the terms of Flanagan's suspension, imposed following the supplements scandal that engulfed the club, that the coach was to have no direct or indirect contact with officials and players.
While banned the report says emails and phone messages revealed he conversed with senior staff on issues relating to the 2015 season when he was free to return as head coach.
The report claims that off-contract NRL players and injury updates were part of the communication.
If Flanagan is found to have broken any rules, he could face another ban and the Sharks a big financial penalty. He reportedly met with his manager Wayne Beavis on Tuesday to address the matter.
It is understood the league could hand down a penalty as early as next week.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/sharks-coach-flanagan-being-probed-by-nrl/83be4f3d-ebab-43fc-9777-e795c5c82131
Bye Bye you cheating numbat…
Hold on maybe we should sign him..
diedpretty
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Kick em out. Its funny though, I would say they have only caught him out through the salary cap investigation when the took all mobiles, laptops etc.
