OzLuke
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Considering how we've been treated recently by match officials....how Manly have copped some really dud calls and the Raiders' sin bin last night how can the NRL not see that there needs to be an investigation????
Cummins and the Nrl are a joke.
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jirskyr
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The real problem is, as Geo said in another thread, Tigers need to be good enough where these ref decisions don't make such an impact.
I totally agree with all the complaints and I cannot for the life of me see how Reynolds might be suspended for accidental head contact attempting to toe through what was actually a dead ball, and it only became an issue because Graham dived from an offside position. Graham doesn't infringe and he doesn't get kicked in the head.
It's like breaking your arm after falling whilst trying to illegally enter a property. Yeah it's a shame you got hurt but you should not have put yourself in that position in the first place.
Nevertheless, for whilst ever Tigers are a 50/50 prospect, those decisions and unfavourable bounces are going to hurt more than for good sides. Tigers need to be a team where the refs decisions on a particular day don't cripple our game management or whittle down our defence. We need to respect possession when we get it and nullify the bad calls.
Tigers absolutely failed to respond to the unfortunate decisions. Teams win comps when they overcome bad decisions, overwhelm unlucky bounces and a lack of 50/50s. We lost against Souths, not because of some bad reffing, because we continually dropped the ball when trying to wrestle our way back into the match.
I totally agree with all the complaints and I cannot for the life of me see how Reynolds might be suspended for accidental head contact attempting to toe through what was actually a dead ball, and it only became an issue because Graham dived from an offside position. Graham doesn't infringe and he doesn't get kicked in the head.
It's like breaking your arm after falling whilst trying to illegally enter a property. Yeah it's a shame you got hurt but you should not have put yourself in that position in the first place.
Nevertheless, for whilst ever Tigers are a 50/50 prospect, those decisions and unfavourable bounces are going to hurt more than for good sides. Tigers need to be a team where the refs decisions on a particular day don't cripple our game management or whittle down our defence. We need to respect possession when we get it and nullify the bad calls.
Tigers absolutely failed to respond to the unfortunate decisions. Teams win comps when they overcome bad decisions, overwhelm unlucky bounces and a lack of 50/50s. We lost against Souths, not because of some bad reffing, because we continually dropped the ball when trying to wrestle our way back into the match.
The new 6 again rule has alot of upsides in keeping the game flowing, but it leaves alot open to interpretation and favouritism. If a player/s from team X are on ref Y's 💩 list for whatever reason, then it's quite easy for ref Y to be trigger happy with 6 again calls against team X. A couple of 6 agains against a team in short succession or in key moments has the potential to rub a team out of the game. This is where the favouritism or perceived favourtism comes into it and it's hard to argue against. Teams that cop it sweet will just say "Well be more disciplined in defence and the slowing of the ruck". Easy to say if you on the good list.
momo_amp_medo
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For me some clubs always seem to get in good books by referees and that’s not just something that’s happened recently.
People will always argue that so and so club is well coached so ....... but your not going to tell me that you end one half of the game with no penalties and what ? One restart.?
It’s hart to watch games anymore with that served up to you but officials.
For Christ’s sake it’s not that hard?
And don’t get me started with the review Committee crap and video box calls.
If there’s one area of the game that is killing this game it’s that.
People will always argue that so and so club is well coached so ....... but your not going to tell me that you end one half of the game with no penalties and what ? One restart.?
It’s hart to watch games anymore with that served up to you but officials.
For Christ’s sake it’s not that hard?
And don’t get me started with the review Committee crap and video box calls.
If there’s one area of the game that is killing this game it’s that.
Chicken_Faced_Killa
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@Tiger_Steve said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1179746) said:
Yep. I look at these as our problem more than anything else. You can point your finger at everyone else but it’s not going to fix the problem.
Fade.To.Black
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@jirskyr said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180522) said:
Bit hard to just roll with the punches when you are getting stitched up by pathetic refereeing every week. We are a very average team who do ourselves no favours with boneheaded actions and hopeless errors, the last thing we need is a ref absolutely caning us out of the contest. I'd much rather get a huge leg-up in the first half, like Rabbits got on Friday, control possession and put a match-winning score on the board early before the ref throws a few token penalties the opposition's way to make the penalty count look respectable.
Cannot remember the last time our supporter's could of said "wow, the refs really gave us a helping hand in that game". It just doesn't happen.
I actually think we are managing adversity much better than we ever have. Penrith and South's had ample opportunity to run over the top of us with the amount of penalties and restarts afforded them and yet we gutsed it out. Definitely played better against Penrith but also were short of players against South's. I don't care who you face in this comp if you get smashed in the penalty count on top of being victim to your opposition getting set restarts you will strugvle to win and more than likely get smashed. We have managed two weeks in a row to remain in the game despite not being favour with what seemed one sided refereeing.
I think the League should publish full infringement stats after each game. If not the Club should on their own site.
i.e. Let everyone know what the penalties were for, at each minute they happened and who the Referee was officiating at the game.
Minute Infingement offending team
04 10 metres Tigers
09 Incorrect PTB Souths
Same for "6 again" what minute and what tackle they occured.
07 Tackle 4 Holding too long Souths
15 Tackle 1 Crowding Tigers
48 Tackle 3 Markers not square Tigers
It would hopefully show up some of the bias that is experienced by the unfavored clubs.
Know it will never happen but it may embarrass some of the people concerned.
i.e. Let everyone know what the penalties were for, at each minute they happened and who the Referee was officiating at the game.
Minute Infingement offending team
04 10 metres Tigers
09 Incorrect PTB Souths
Same for "6 again" what minute and what tackle they occured.
07 Tackle 4 Holding too long Souths
15 Tackle 1 Crowding Tigers
48 Tackle 3 Markers not square Tigers
It would hopefully show up some of the bias that is experienced by the unfavored clubs.
Know it will never happen but it may embarrass some of the people concerned.
mike
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@Telltails said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180552) said:
In hindsight I totally agree. The team is much more resilient to adverse calls than it had been in previous years.
@Russell said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180558) said:
Not unreasonable to ask the refs of that. It will keep the refs honest, ensure impartiality and allow NRL teams to work harder to prevent 6 agains. Hopefully they are working towards something like this soon.
@InBenjiWeTrust said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180393) said:
Sorry, but I dont think we ever realistically going to win that game. We might have improved once Benji came on and the customary level up of penalties from the Referee but overall Souths looked like they could score at will. I think it was more hope than anything else. Our forwards were dominated.
Spud_Murphy
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@happy_tiger said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180381) said:
We were totally outplayed because we were never given a fair chance to be in the game from the get go. Not excusing the players because yes they made enough mistakes of their own, but when you are constantly being put on the back foot by the ref’s often wrong decisions and the opposition is given free passage down to your end of the field and you have to defend twice as much for long periods, naturally fatigue will set in and mistakes will be made.
We can’t keep playing 13 against 14 every week, it’s gonna take its toll. We’re not the Roosters, we don’t have enough talented depth to overcome such circumstances. Not to mention the fact that we shouldn’t really have to in the first place if all things in rugby league were equal.
@Russell said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180558) said:
That's a great idea Russell..
I think it would give some clarity as to what the 6 again restart was for cause half the time now tbh you have no clue as to why one team gets a restart as opposed to not..
Still find it hard to believe Souff's were perfect for 50mins on Friday..
jirskyr
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@Fade-To-Black said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180551) said:
I get what you are saying but I am sure you also realise there is a MASSIVE amount of bias in every single interpretation of what is a "pathetic" refereeing performance or not.
For example, what are the specific issues with the Souths game? We can all agree:
(a) Reynolds was unlucky to be penalised for striking at the ball with Graham coming from an offside position. Technically it's not an incorrect call, but it's a 50/50 that could have been called differently
(b) Refs missed the swinging arm from Latrell. Disappointing that it wasn't reviewed or addressed.
(c) Rabbits were given more than 10 seconds to challenge the Su'A hit on Doueihi and it was contentious whether or not it was legal contact - but that was the video ref who made the call not Cummins.
(d) Rabbits got a significant penalty count advantage in the first half - though I'd have to honestly go back and review each of the penalties because a one-sided count is only part of the story if the penalties were all for offside or high shots (neither of which you can argue)
(e) Garner was unfortunate to get pinged for dumping Siro, though by the letter of the law it does meet the criteria of a dangerous tackle, so that's not on the refs
(f) Cam Murray is offside at 40th minute but video ref says no. In this instance honestly Tigers are given more than 10 seconds for captain's challenge and again it's the video, not Cummins, that makes the call. Clearly wrong.
So is that all the contentious calls?
Then you HONESTLY have to say to yourself, do I accurately remember the 50/50 calls that we did get? Because the penalty count ended up 6-5, possession was 50/50... I am not sure what the 6-agains were because I don't know any resources that record those on the internet.
Did we lose the match because of ref stitch-ups? No, we lost the game because our LHS leaked points and we failed to complete our sets when the match was in the deep arm-wrestle.
It was 2-0 at the 30 minute mark. At this point Doueihi cops the Su'A hit and loses the ball. We defend the ensuing set by putting Graham into touch. The next set Reynolds ends up at DH play 5 and passes to Doueihi who kicks into a Rabbit and OOTF. That gives Rabbits the scrum on 50m. There's a set restart on 3rd after Huth and ET fail to release Cam Murray. Tackle 2 Garner drills Bailey Siro. ET gives away another 6-again on Tackle 1. Rabbits go left and Latrell bumps off Rowdy, 4 players converge to tackle him. There's 1 settler, Cam Murray quick PTB before Rabbits sweep right, it's a 7-on-5 movement, Brooks goes in on Reynolds and Gagai scores.
Now in that entire sequence of play to the Rabbits first try, Rabbits make 1 error - Graham getting bundled into touch. There is 1 contentious call, the ref allowing captains challenge, which frankly I thought the outcome was correct, I didn't think Su'A did anything wrong in his tackle on Doueihi and it was unfortunate we dropped the ball. Tigers in that passage of play made SEVEN errors - Dou drop, Dou kick out, 2 x restarts, Garner dangerous, Rowdy missed tackle, Tigers fail to number up and Brooks goes in.
So we can all sit here and complain about bad calls but Tigers defended those first 30 minutes and through our own bad play gave the Rabbits the final push to score the first try. That's on us.
Tigers defend the next 2 sets ok, Brooks puts in a nice kick for our reply set, then Nofo swallows a bomb and drops it in the PTB. He's got at least one of those in him per fortnight. There's 3:24 left on the clock. The following set, Tigers give away another set-restart and fail to number up the very next tackle, Gagai scores again. Mbye actually read the play but he missed the tackle on Latrell, who offloaded. There are NO contentious calls in this little period, only Tigers mistakes.
That's a 10 minute period with one borderline contentious call, about 10 Tigers errors and we go from a tight arm-wrestle to 10-0. Tigers should have earned a penalty shot at 40th minute.
Now a one-eyed Tigers fan sees a string of bad calls and a negative scoreline. But honestly Tigers got a lot of calls in the second half that helped us mount a fight-back. A one-eyed Souths fan could well argue that the refs were trying to "even it up" and might even say it was a stitch-up from the refs to get Tigers back into the contest.
Were Tigers the better team? I don't think anyone can honestly say that, and we didn't put ourselves in a position to win the match until too late in the contest. That improved football, when Benji was on, should have come in the first half. That better handling and ball control, to dominate possession and earn the 6-against and penalties, that should have happened at the 30-minute mark. But Tigers blinked first.
jirskyr
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@Geo said in [Cummins and the Nrl are a joke\.](/post/1180589) said:
No that I disagree, but what % of fans are going to research the penalty list, review back to the tape and then discuss whether or not it was a good call? To make this worthwhile for the NRL, I mean.
jirskyr
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I would say most fans reckon their team is on the bad end of refs calls every week, because most fans remember the bad calls more clearly against them than for them, and forget all the mistakes their own team made.
And if you reckon it's a stitch up, then what of Manly, who lose on a definite forward-pass against Parra and aren't awarded a clear push-in-back against Newcastle, also a loss, that leads to AFB losing his cool and getting suspended for calling people retards.
And if you reckon it's a stitch up, then what of Manly, who lose on a definite forward-pass against Parra and aren't awarded a clear push-in-back against Newcastle, also a loss, that leads to AFB losing his cool and getting suspended for calling people retards.
All fans look at refereeing decisions through bias eyes but the restart rule allows the referee to consistently favour one side over the other without any recourse. It gives them more power than ever to change the nature of the game because no team can consistently tackle the opposition under immense pressure without cracking, and or breaking the rules and there is no opportunity to question the decision so no accountability for the ref.
