David Nofoaluma #164

Ch9 reported he is off contract and Souths are interested. It came across as an attempt to commence a bidding war similar to a real estate experience. We've read this play book before and it si time for WTs to move on and not be distracted by this tactic.
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291517) said:
I can also tell you he won't get $500k here, he plays one position, with no potential to play others and has defensive issues. If he wants $500k then he needs to move to another club. That is not an opinion it is a fact.


Just because he was at times the only candle showing us the way home doesn't mean he was the Star of Bethlehem. He's been a 'star' in teams of bog average players for years - and just like Benji has been more than bog average in defence on many occasions. Want him to stay but take it or leave it.
 
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@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291331) said:
I dunno by the time Nofoaluma signs it ill be pushing 800K as the telecrap and foxsports understands..

Just been offered $1.2m

Over 3 years

Before anyone takes it too far, my post was a joke lol

I realised that

Joke or not, I’d be surprised if Nofa stays at WT

Wests Tigers can’t make him stay if he doesn’t want to. If he goes, he goes. I’d be slightly disappointed in Nofa if he goes, not the club.

We shouldn’t be trying to make him stay. It’s the role of the club to make an appropriate offer and then have an alternative solution lined up should he walk, I’ll judge the club based on this. Too often we tend to fail twice.

Agree ... I think we have advised him what we have on the table and its a take it or leave it offer.. After all our offseason moves and not paying overs I trust the powers at the club to not overpay..

That’s step one HSV. So when he takes up a more lucrative deal do you trust the club to replace him with a like for like replacement? I don’t.

I do

Who you got in mind Cochise? And has he played more than 10 NRL games yet?

My faith is more in the job that is being done by the likes of Hartigan, I have faith that he will pull the right reins. We also have some players coming through in the next 12-18 months who may be able to make the step up, players like Kei will be pushing for 1st grade spots in 12 months time.

It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out, if we’re still waiting for young guys to pull us out of the dumps in 18 months that’s probably curtains for Madge. Then what?!

Where did I say we will be doing that?

I asked who would fulfil Nofs role and you gave me Kei in 12-18 months, not sure everyone has your patience mate.

If Nofo doesn't re-sign we will have plenty of cap space, hopefully a better club culture, with just over a year to replace him. Why stress about it now?

You’re assuming he doesn’t agitate for an early release (we know about that) and our poor form in recruitment of star players suddenly changes, I’m not so confident on either front.

Again you're stressing over a hypothetical worst case scenario. In the unlikely event he does push for a release, I'd like to think we'd take the same path as we did with Aloiai and push for a favourable outcome.

No. I’m saying that at the moment it appears a very real possibility Noffa could leave the club. If we’re not out in the market at least looking at suitable replacements we’re failing as a club. Look at how the Storm are operating in recruiting and retaining talent, that’s how it’s done.

We don't need a replacement now.

Do you really think that the club doesn't have a plan b if he does leave? That they are just sitting there waiting for him to sign, these guys do this for a living, they know what they are doing.

Mate, it’s hard to have much faith. Like we replaced Teddy and Mitch Moses so well. The next Gareth Ellis is still on his way. It’s been plod central in the pack. Hartigan might be the next Don Bradman but he’s only just walked to the crease.

So lets give the guy a chance hey, all you do is criticize when the guy has made good moves so far and you have others on here saying he is good at what he does. At somepoint some positivity needs to come into it or what is the point of supporting.

I could give you 5-10 examples of positive feedback I have given, but on the Nofa thread I happen to have a strong opinion that we need to either sign him or a player that is of equal ability.

Not if he is being difficult we don't, if he is asking for too much then you have to let him go. You don't mess up your cap for a winger.

And I said that a few pages ago, but it’s my view that if you make a decision to move off him, you need to be out there chasing Xavier Coates or someone of that Ilk. And you may end up having to pay overs anyway.

Or you develop your own, but that's right we are incapable of that.

To my earlier point, you could but it’s not going to happen overnight, and likely not on madge’s watch. If we don’t make the eight in 2 yrs I doubt he’ll be retained.

For example Kei is 20, if we don't think he will be pushing for 1st grade in 12 months why did we sign him? Maybe that is why they aren't willing to overpay Noffa, maybe they believe we already have his replacement.

Sometimes you have to back yourself and your coaches and their ability to coach players up.

It’s my personal view that it takes players 2 seasons or 50 games to become proper first graders, unless you’re a rare gem like Folau/Inglis.

Probability tells me we need to replace Nofa with like for like.

Well lets go all in $600k sound alright?

We’ve covered this mate, I say 500 max 3 years, you say 400-450. Can Harry T do anything?

Harry T does plenty.


If he is leaving over $50k then I guess he isn't the club man we all hoped. It goes both ways mate. I don't know why we would be paying him anywhere close to what JAC got to move to the dogs.

I can also tell you he won't get $500k here, he plays one position, with no potential to play others and has defensive issues. If he wants $500k then he needs to move to another club. That is not an opinion it is a fact.

Is money even the issue? Sounds like it’s length of contract more than anything.

I'd give him 4 years but knock a heap off his $$, he is not the same player in 4 years time.

Yeah he can’t have it both ways. He can’t expect good money when he’s a 33 year old slow, short winger at that point. Pretty unrealistic

Yeah in my opinion he can have 3 years at $400-450k or 4 years at $350k


I wouldn’t give any player over 25 a 4 year contract. Unless there are other ways of creating flexibility in the cap that I don’t know about?
 
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I dunno by the time Nofoaluma signs it ill be pushing 800K as the telecrap and foxsports understands..

Just been offered $1.2m

Over 3 years

Before anyone takes it too far, my post was a joke lol

I realised that

Joke or not, I’d be surprised if Nofa stays at WT

Wests Tigers can’t make him stay if he doesn’t want to. If he goes, he goes. I’d be slightly disappointed in Nofa if he goes, not the club.

We shouldn’t be trying to make him stay. It’s the role of the club to make an appropriate offer and then have an alternative solution lined up should he walk, I’ll judge the club based on this. Too often we tend to fail twice.

Agree ... I think we have advised him what we have on the table and its a take it or leave it offer.. After all our offseason moves and not paying overs I trust the powers at the club to not overpay..

That’s step one HSV. So when he takes up a more lucrative deal do you trust the club to replace him with a like for like replacement? I don’t.

I do

Who you got in mind Cochise? And has he played more than 10 NRL games yet?

My faith is more in the job that is being done by the likes of Hartigan, I have faith that he will pull the right reins. We also have some players coming through in the next 12-18 months who may be able to make the step up, players like Kei will be pushing for 1st grade spots in 12 months time.

It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out, if we’re still waiting for young guys to pull us out of the dumps in 18 months that’s probably curtains for Madge. Then what?!

Where did I say we will be doing that?

I asked who would fulfil Nofs role and you gave me Kei in 12-18 months, not sure everyone has your patience mate.

If Nofo doesn't re-sign we will have plenty of cap space, hopefully a better club culture, with just over a year to replace him. Why stress about it now?

You’re assuming he doesn’t agitate for an early release (we know about that) and our poor form in recruitment of star players suddenly changes, I’m not so confident on either front.

Again you're stressing over a hypothetical worst case scenario. In the unlikely event he does push for a release, I'd like to think we'd take the same path as we did with Aloiai and push for a favourable outcome.

No. I’m saying that at the moment it appears a very real possibility Noffa could leave the club. If we’re not out in the market at least looking at suitable replacements we’re failing as a club. Look at how the Storm are operating in recruiting and retaining talent, that’s how it’s done.

We don't need a replacement now.

Do you really think that the club doesn't have a plan b if he does leave? That they are just sitting there waiting for him to sign, these guys do this for a living, they know what they are doing.

Mate, it’s hard to have much faith. Like we replaced Teddy and Mitch Moses so well. The next Gareth Ellis is still on his way. It’s been plod central in the pack. Hartigan might be the next Don Bradman but he’s only just walked to the crease.

So lets give the guy a chance hey, all you do is criticize when the guy has made good moves so far and you have others on here saying he is good at what he does. At somepoint some positivity needs to come into it or what is the point of supporting.

I could give you 5-10 examples of positive feedback I have given, but on the Nofa thread I happen to have a strong opinion that we need to either sign him or a player that is of equal ability.

Not if he is being difficult we don't, if he is asking for too much then you have to let him go. You don't mess up your cap for a winger.

And I said that a few pages ago, but it’s my view that if you make a decision to move off him, you need to be out there chasing Xavier Coates or someone of that Ilk. And you may end up having to pay overs anyway.

Or you develop your own, but that's right we are incapable of that.

To my earlier point, you could but it’s not going to happen overnight, and likely not on madge’s watch. If we don’t make the eight in 2 yrs I doubt he’ll be retained.

For example Kei is 20, if we don't think he will be pushing for 1st grade in 12 months why did we sign him? Maybe that is why they aren't willing to overpay Noffa, maybe they believe we already have his replacement.

Sometimes you have to back yourself and your coaches and their ability to coach players up.

It’s my personal view that it takes players 2 seasons or 50 games to become proper first graders, unless you’re a rare gem like Folau/Inglis.

Probability tells me we need to replace Nofa with like for like.

Well lets go all in $600k sound alright?

We’ve covered this mate, I say 500 max 3 years, you say 400-450. Can Harry T do anything?

Harry T does plenty.


If he is leaving over $50k then I guess he isn't the club man we all hoped. It goes both ways mate. I don't know why we would be paying him anywhere close to what JAC got to move to the dogs.

I can also tell you he won't get $500k here, he plays one position, with no potential to play others and has defensive issues. If he wants $500k then he needs to move to another club. That is not an opinion it is a fact.

And if that’s the stance the club takes I’ll support that, but I’ll be the first to heap flack on them if we’re watching a lesser winger run around in a beaten team next year. That’s all I’m saying. It’s about results.

Of course you will, does that mean we can heap flak at you if you are wrong?

With the side we have you don't break the bank on a winger.

Thick skin mate. I’ll be that happy to be supporting a winner for once I won’t care.

As I said earlier, Noffa hasn't got us the results we want either.

It’s not a one man game though is it.


No, it’s not a one man game. However if you look at the Tedesco situation where his contribution to his team’s success has been outstanding, and knowing that he and Nofa are both 28 this year.. you start to get a sense of how ridiculous a 4 year contract sounds? At any price. Ok, chooks have another superstar to groom for fullback, but I’m sure we will also have a better winger than Nofa.
 
@Leck said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291392) said:
Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.
 
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I dunno by the time Nofoaluma signs it ill be pushing 800K as the telecrap and foxsports understands..

Just been offered $1.2m

Over 3 years

Before anyone takes it too far, my post was a joke lol

I realised that

Joke or not, I’d be surprised if Nofa stays at WT

Wests Tigers can’t make him stay if he doesn’t want to. If he goes, he goes. I’d be slightly disappointed in Nofa if he goes, not the club.

We shouldn’t be trying to make him stay. It’s the role of the club to make an appropriate offer and then have an alternative solution lined up should he walk, I’ll judge the club based on this. Too often we tend to fail twice.

Agree ... I think we have advised him what we have on the table and its a take it or leave it offer.. After all our offseason moves and not paying overs I trust the powers at the club to not overpay..

That’s step one HSV. So when he takes up a more lucrative deal do you trust the club to replace him with a like for like replacement? I don’t.

I do

Who you got in mind Cochise? And has he played more than 10 NRL games yet?

My faith is more in the job that is being done by the likes of Hartigan, I have faith that he will pull the right reins. We also have some players coming through in the next 12-18 months who may be able to make the step up, players like Kei will be pushing for 1st grade spots in 12 months time.

It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out, if we’re still waiting for young guys to pull us out of the dumps in 18 months that’s probably curtains for Madge. Then what?!

Where did I say we will be doing that?

I asked who would fulfil Nofs role and you gave me Kei in 12-18 months, not sure everyone has your patience mate.

If Nofo doesn't re-sign we will have plenty of cap space, hopefully a better club culture, with just over a year to replace him. Why stress about it now?

You’re assuming he doesn’t agitate for an early release (we know about that) and our poor form in recruitment of star players suddenly changes, I’m not so confident on either front.

Again you're stressing over a hypothetical worst case scenario. In the unlikely event he does push for a release, I'd like to think we'd take the same path as we did with Aloiai and push for a favourable outcome.

No. I’m saying that at the moment it appears a very real possibility Noffa could leave the club. If we’re not out in the market at least looking at suitable replacements we’re failing as a club. Look at how the Storm are operating in recruiting and retaining talent, that’s how it’s done.

We don't need a replacement now.

Do you really think that the club doesn't have a plan b if he does leave? That they are just sitting there waiting for him to sign, these guys do this for a living, they know what they are doing.

Mate, it’s hard to have much faith. Like we replaced Teddy and Mitch Moses so well. The next Gareth Ellis is still on his way. It’s been plod central in the pack. Hartigan might be the next Don Bradman but he’s only just walked to the crease.

So lets give the guy a chance hey, all you do is criticize when the guy has made good moves so far and you have others on here saying he is good at what he does. At somepoint some positivity needs to come into it or what is the point of supporting.

I could give you 5-10 examples of positive feedback I have given, but on the Nofa thread I happen to have a strong opinion that we need to either sign him or a player that is of equal ability.

Not if he is being difficult we don't, if he is asking for too much then you have to let him go. You don't mess up your cap for a winger.

And I said that a few pages ago, but it’s my view that if you make a decision to move off him, you need to be out there chasing Xavier Coates or someone of that Ilk. And you may end up having to pay overs anyway.

Or you develop your own, but that's right we are incapable of that.

To my earlier point, you could but it’s not going to happen overnight, and likely not on madge’s watch. If we don’t make the eight in 2 yrs I doubt he’ll be retained.

For example Kei is 20, if we don't think he will be pushing for 1st grade in 12 months why did we sign him? Maybe that is why they aren't willing to overpay Noffa, maybe they believe we already have his replacement.

Sometimes you have to back yourself and your coaches and their ability to coach players up.

It’s my personal view that it takes players 2 seasons or 50 games to become proper first graders, unless you’re a rare gem like Folau/Inglis.

Probability tells me we need to replace Nofa with like for like.

Well lets go all in $600k sound alright?

We’ve covered this mate, I say 500 max 3 years, you say 400-450. Can Harry T do anything?

Maybe we need to keep Harry T tpa for the like of crighton staggs B Smith etc
 
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@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291337) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291331) said:
I dunno by the time Nofoaluma signs it ill be pushing 800K as the telecrap and foxsports understands..

Just been offered $1.2m

Over 3 years

Before anyone takes it too far, my post was a joke lol

I realised that

Joke or not, I’d be surprised if Nofa stays at WT

Wests Tigers can’t make him stay if he doesn’t want to. If he goes, he goes. I’d be slightly disappointed in Nofa if he goes, not the club.

We shouldn’t be trying to make him stay. It’s the role of the club to make an appropriate offer and then have an alternative solution lined up should he walk, I’ll judge the club based on this. Too often we tend to fail twice.

Agree ... I think we have advised him what we have on the table and its a take it or leave it offer.. After all our offseason moves and not paying overs I trust the powers at the club to not overpay..

That’s step one HSV. So when he takes up a more lucrative deal do you trust the club to replace him with a like for like replacement? I don’t.

I do

Who you got in mind Cochise? And has he played more than 10 NRL games yet?

My faith is more in the job that is being done by the likes of Hartigan, I have faith that he will pull the right reins. We also have some players coming through in the next 12-18 months who may be able to make the step up, players like Kei will be pushing for 1st grade spots in 12 months time.

It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out, if we’re still waiting for young guys to pull us out of the dumps in 18 months that’s probably curtains for Madge. Then what?!

Where did I say we will be doing that?

I asked who would fulfil Nofs role and you gave me Kei in 12-18 months, not sure everyone has your patience mate.

If Nofo doesn't re-sign we will have plenty of cap space, hopefully a better club culture, with just over a year to replace him. Why stress about it now?

You’re assuming he doesn’t agitate for an early release (we know about that) and our poor form in recruitment of star players suddenly changes, I’m not so confident on either front.

Again you're stressing over a hypothetical worst case scenario. In the unlikely event he does push for a release, I'd like to think we'd take the same path as we did with Aloiai and push for a favourable outcome.

No. I’m saying that at the moment it appears a very real possibility Noffa could leave the club. If we’re not out in the market at least looking at suitable replacements we’re failing as a club. Look at how the Storm are operating in recruiting and retaining talent, that’s how it’s done.

We don't need a replacement now.

Do you really think that the club doesn't have a plan b if he does leave? That they are just sitting there waiting for him to sign, these guys do this for a living, they know what they are doing.

Mate, it’s hard to have much faith. Like we replaced Teddy and Mitch Moses so well. The next Gareth Ellis is still on his way. It’s been plod central in the pack. Hartigan might be the next Don Bradman but he’s only just walked to the crease.

So lets give the guy a chance hey, all you do is criticize when the guy has made good moves so far and you have others on here saying he is good at what he does. At somepoint some positivity needs to come into it or what is the point of supporting.

I could give you 5-10 examples of positive feedback I have given, but on the Nofa thread I happen to have a strong opinion that we need to either sign him or a player that is of equal ability.

Not if he is being difficult we don't, if he is asking for too much then you have to let him go. You don't mess up your cap for a winger.

And I said that a few pages ago, but it’s my view that if you make a decision to move off him, you need to be out there chasing Xavier Coates or someone of that Ilk. And you may end up having to pay overs anyway.

Or you develop your own, but that's right we are incapable of that.

To my earlier point, you could but it’s not going to happen overnight, and likely not on madge’s watch. If we don’t make the eight in 2 yrs I doubt he’ll be retained.

For example Kei is 20, if we don't think he will be pushing for 1st grade in 12 months why did we sign him? Maybe that is why they aren't willing to overpay Noffa, maybe they believe we already have his replacement.

Sometimes you have to back yourself and your coaches and their ability to coach players up.

It’s my personal view that it takes players 2 seasons or 50 games to become proper first graders, unless you’re a rare gem like Folau/Inglis.

Probability tells me we need to replace Nofa with like for like.

Well lets go all in $600k sound alright?

We’ve covered this mate, I say 500 max 3 years, you say 400-450. Can Harry T do anything?

Harry T does plenty.


If he is leaving over $50k then I guess he isn't the club man we all hoped. It goes both ways mate. I don't know why we would be paying him anywhere close to what JAC got to move to the dogs.

I can also tell you he won't get $500k here, he plays one position, with no potential to play others and has defensive issues. If he wants $500k then he needs to move to another club. That is not an opinion it is a fact.

I really don't see the problem here. To me it's really simple - any player can leave. We lost Tedesco and we really haven't gone backwards. If anything I think we are looking better now. It's not missing out on players that is the problem or losing them. The problem is overpaying them. It creates a bad culture where everyone wants overs. It also means you can't build a team over the next 3-5 years because you can't upgrade juniors or pick up any talent that comes onto the marketplace.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291541) said:
Ch9 reported he is off contract and Souths are interested. It came across as an attempt to commence a bidding war similar to a real estate experience. We've read this play book before and it si time for WTs to move on and not be distracted by this tactic.

Exactly. I love the guy and wish him the best but I'm sick of being a sub-par team and I think it comes down to poor recruitment and retention decisions which means paying overs for the wrong player at the wrong time.

It's cool for instance to offer overs to players like Blore and Laurie and Stef because you can get away with this at this stage of their careers. That is how you get them to leave their clubs. A bit more money and the opportunity to get more game time in first grade. You get a lot of bullets to use here.

When you are paying overs for players at the back end of their careers you are paying them overs for their best possible form. We've seen how disastrous this can be.

The club needs to stick to it's guns. I'm still hopeful that he stays and I doubt if any club is going to offer him massive overs.
 
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291562) said:
@Leck said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291392) said:
Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.


He took his mum to the Dally M award night! He’s a good guy focussed on his career. WT need to learn a lesson from those events and become the club where players can have an optimistic view of achieving their personal ambitions. It’s not rocket science, and if we had good people ourselves who cared more about the future of the club, than they did about their own self importance, then we would be that club today, already.
 
@Jedi_Tiger said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291563) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291515) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291514) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291513) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291512) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291507) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291503) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291501) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291498) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291497) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291494) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291491) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291485) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291482) said:
@AJ1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291479) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291464) said:
@AJ1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291460) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291433) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291426) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291424) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291421) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291416) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291414) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291407) said:
@hsvjones said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291404) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291395) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291375) said:
@Leck said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291371) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291367) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291366) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291357) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291337) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291331) said:
I dunno by the time Nofoaluma signs it ill be pushing 800K as the telecrap and foxsports understands..

Just been offered $1.2m

Over 3 years

Before anyone takes it too far, my post was a joke lol

I realised that

Joke or not, I’d be surprised if Nofa stays at WT

Wests Tigers can’t make him stay if he doesn’t want to. If he goes, he goes. I’d be slightly disappointed in Nofa if he goes, not the club.

We shouldn’t be trying to make him stay. It’s the role of the club to make an appropriate offer and then have an alternative solution lined up should he walk, I’ll judge the club based on this. Too often we tend to fail twice.

Agree ... I think we have advised him what we have on the table and its a take it or leave it offer.. After all our offseason moves and not paying overs I trust the powers at the club to not overpay..

That’s step one HSV. So when he takes up a more lucrative deal do you trust the club to replace him with a like for like replacement? I don’t.

I do

Who you got in mind Cochise? And has he played more than 10 NRL games yet?

My faith is more in the job that is being done by the likes of Hartigan, I have faith that he will pull the right reins. We also have some players coming through in the next 12-18 months who may be able to make the step up, players like Kei will be pushing for 1st grade spots in 12 months time.

It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out, if we’re still waiting for young guys to pull us out of the dumps in 18 months that’s probably curtains for Madge. Then what?!

Where did I say we will be doing that?

I asked who would fulfil Nofs role and you gave me Kei in 12-18 months, not sure everyone has your patience mate.

If Nofo doesn't re-sign we will have plenty of cap space, hopefully a better club culture, with just over a year to replace him. Why stress about it now?

You’re assuming he doesn’t agitate for an early release (we know about that) and our poor form in recruitment of star players suddenly changes, I’m not so confident on either front.

Again you're stressing over a hypothetical worst case scenario. In the unlikely event he does push for a release, I'd like to think we'd take the same path as we did with Aloiai and push for a favourable outcome.

No. I’m saying that at the moment it appears a very real possibility Noffa could leave the club. If we’re not out in the market at least looking at suitable replacements we’re failing as a club. Look at how the Storm are operating in recruiting and retaining talent, that’s how it’s done.

We don't need a replacement now.

Do you really think that the club doesn't have a plan b if he does leave? That they are just sitting there waiting for him to sign, these guys do this for a living, they know what they are doing.

Mate, it’s hard to have much faith. Like we replaced Teddy and Mitch Moses so well. The next Gareth Ellis is still on his way. It’s been plod central in the pack. Hartigan might be the next Don Bradman but he’s only just walked to the crease.

So lets give the guy a chance hey, all you do is criticize when the guy has made good moves so far and you have others on here saying he is good at what he does. At somepoint some positivity needs to come into it or what is the point of supporting.

I could give you 5-10 examples of positive feedback I have given, but on the Nofa thread I happen to have a strong opinion that we need to either sign him or a player that is of equal ability.

Not if he is being difficult we don't, if he is asking for too much then you have to let him go. You don't mess up your cap for a winger.

And I said that a few pages ago, but it’s my view that if you make a decision to move off him, you need to be out there chasing Xavier Coates or someone of that Ilk. And you may end up having to pay overs anyway.

Or you develop your own, but that's right we are incapable of that.

To my earlier point, you could but it’s not going to happen overnight, and likely not on madge’s watch. If we don’t make the eight in 2 yrs I doubt he’ll be retained.

For example Kei is 20, if we don't think he will be pushing for 1st grade in 12 months why did we sign him? Maybe that is why they aren't willing to overpay Noffa, maybe they believe we already have his replacement.

Sometimes you have to back yourself and your coaches and their ability to coach players up.

It’s my personal view that it takes players 2 seasons or 50 games to become proper first graders, unless you’re a rare gem like Folau/Inglis.

Probability tells me we need to replace Nofa with like for like.

Well lets go all in $600k sound alright?

We’ve covered this mate, I say 500 max 3 years, you say 400-450. Can Harry T do anything?

Maybe we need to keep Harry T tpa for the like of crighton staggs B Smith etc

If we get one of those guys I’ll be on here offering Pascoe and the crew a big congratulations
 
If Nofo was really wanting to be a one club man this would not have lasted as long a this. I dont blame him with wanting best dollar for his last contract but in that case WT are entitled to say ''thank you but find it elsewhere, we withdraw our offer.'' How Ayoub can still be managing any player is beyond me.
 
@2005magic said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291572) said:
If Nofo was really wanting to be a one club man this would not have lasted as long a this. I dont blame him with wanting best dollar for his last contract but in that case WT are entitled to say ''thank you but find it elsewhere, we withdraw our offer.'' How Ayoub can still be managing any player is beyond me.

What is to be gained from withdrawing the offer?
I don’t think Nofa will re-sign until the final bell, a week or two before the top 30 spot needs to be filled, unless of course he gets a better offer, which I doubt. No other club will show more love to him. As Buzz said Nofa and Lee have an extremely tight friendship. Ok, he’s probably hurting because Benji has gone and he’s wondering who will kick to him on the fourth, but I believe Brooksy will be that man!
 
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291562) said:
@Leck said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291392) said:
Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.

Not one club made the right decision on Pap, JAC I'm a little more critical of our decision but he signed with Melbourne while we were still negotiating.
 
@Tiger-Tragic said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291580) said:
@twentyforty said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291567) said:
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291562) said:
@Leck said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291392) said:
Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.


He took his mum to the Dally M award night! He’s a good guy focussed on his career. WT need to learn a lesson from those events and become the club where players can have an optimistic view of achieving their personal ambitions. It’s not rocket science, and if we had good people ourselves who cared more about the future of the club, than they did about their own self importance, then we would be that club today, already.

Can you name the people at WT who are not "good" and who "care more about their own self importance"?


No I can’t and I wouldn’t.
 
@Tiger-Tragic said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291582) said:
@twentyforty said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291581) said:
@Tiger-Tragic said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291580) said:
@twentyforty said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291567) said:
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291562) said:
@Leck said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291392) said:
Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.


He took his mum to the Dally M award night! He’s a good guy focussed on his career. WT need to learn a lesson from those events and become the club where players can have an optimistic view of achieving their personal ambitions. It’s not rocket science, and if we had good people ourselves who cared more about the future of the club, than they did about their own self importance, then we would be that club today, already.

Can you name the people at WT who are not "good" and who "care more about their own self importance"?


No I can’t and I wouldn’t.

Well, I don't understand the point you were trying to make.


It is obvious to anyone who has had some involvement in OD that the teamwork that we are so desperate to see on the park, didn’t exist back of house. If you think it has been a shining example then perhaps you could tell us why we don’t enjoy the same high level of success with the football team? I really would like to know?
 
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1291419) said:
I haven’t seen enough from AJ and he’s a Roosters reject so I’ve got serious doubts, they have old wingers and decided he wasn’t the future.

Roosters Reject!

I think you're being more than a bit harsh.

I think the kid is going to be real good, and if not, he won't be costing us the earth.

Regardless of what some people think, even the Roosters can't keep them all.
 
Luai,Crichton ,Staags,etc will have many offers as there are plenty of cashed up clubs.Staggs injuries could be a concern,Luai would be a great buy and probably our main priority seeing the lack of depth we have ,but i doubt with Burton going to dogs they will let him go.Crichton will have all the big guns chasing him.If the Tigers just get 1 i'd be happy,but if we don't there are always others.
 
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