rustycage
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I think we're a little off topic here. Can we please get back to Flogovic?
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@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521928) said:@tilllindemann said in [Djokovic](/post/1521921) said:. The corporate lobby groups and neoliberal ideologues who pull the strings of government would much rather import people than fund proper industry training.
I don't think it's so simple. I worked for years for a big bank in big databases. We've never been able to get skilled resources solely from Australia. This is the same even within the big consulting companies.
I'll add the pay to me is ridiculously high. I was a manager and a full time employee and I was well paid but I had contractors in my team earning up to $1000 per day.
We need migrant labour.
@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521937) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521928) said:@tilllindemann said in [Djokovic](/post/1521921) said:. The corporate lobby groups and neoliberal ideologues who pull the strings of government would much rather import people than fund proper industry training.
I don't think it's so simple. I worked for years for a big bank in big databases. We've never been able to get skilled resources solely from Australia. This is the same even within the big consulting companies.
I'll add the pay to me is ridiculously high. I was a manager and a full time employee and I was well paid but I had contractors in my team earning up to $1000 per day.
We need migrant labour.
My mate is a project manager @Optus and he just can’t hire end to end IT solutions architects anywhere in Aus. So they have no choice but to hire abroad
@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521942) said:@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521937) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521928) said:@tilllindemann said in [Djokovic](/post/1521921) said:. The corporate lobby groups and neoliberal ideologues who pull the strings of government would much rather import people than fund proper industry training.
I don't think it's so simple. I worked for years for a big bank in big databases. We've never been able to get skilled resources solely from Australia. This is the same even within the big consulting companies.
I'll add the pay to me is ridiculously high. I was a manager and a full time employee and I was well paid but I had contractors in my team earning up to $1000 per day.
We need migrant labour.
My mate is a project manager @Optus and he just can’t hire end to end IT solutions architects anywhere in Aus. So they have no choice but to hire abroad
That was my job and that is the reality of the situation. There is a tonne of work and a dearth of talent.
@magpie_magic said in [Djokovic](/post/1521941) said:You'd have to be either racist or extremely stupid to think we need to be tough on immigration now.
You got data on that mate lol?
@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521944) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521942) said:@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521937) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521928) said:@tilllindemann said in [Djokovic](/post/1521921) said:. The corporate lobby groups and neoliberal ideologues who pull the strings of government would much rather import people than fund proper industry training.
I don't think it's so simple. I worked for years for a big bank in big databases. We've never been able to get skilled resources solely from Australia. This is the same even within the big consulting companies.
I'll add the pay to me is ridiculously high. I was a manager and a full time employee and I was well paid but I had contractors in my team earning up to $1000 per day.
We need migrant labour.
My mate is a project manager @Optus and he just can’t hire end to end IT solutions architects anywhere in Aus. So they have no choice but to hire abroad
That was my job and that is the reality of the situation. There is a tonne of work and a dearth of talent.
He told me all the reasons why it was so hard to hire but I forgot the details. I just know I chose the wrong career. He told me those guys get paid 2k a day or something
@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521944) said:He told me all the reasons why it was so hard to hire but I forgot the details. I just know I chose the wrong career. He told me those guys get paid 2k a day or something
@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521937) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521928) said:@tilllindemann said in [Djokovic](/post/1521921) said:. The corporate lobby groups and neoliberal ideologues who pull the strings of government would much rather import people than fund proper industry training.
I don't think it's so simple. I worked for years for a big bank in big databases. We've never been able to get skilled resources solely from Australia. This is the same even within the big consulting companies.
I'll add the pay to me is ridiculously high. I was a manager and a full time employee and I was well paid but I had contractors in my team earning up to $1000 per day.
We need migrant labour.
My mate is a project manager @Optus and he just can’t hire end to end IT solutions architects anywhere in Aus. So they have no choice but to hire abroad
@magpie_magic said in [Djokovic](/post/1521935) said:So when we hear of skills shortages what they mean is that they wished for undocumented scab labour sadly.
Trust me skill shortages are a myth.
@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521945) said:@magpie_magic said in [Djokovic](/post/1521941) said:You'd have to be either racist or extremely stupid to think we need to be tough on immigration now.
You got data on that mate lol?
No but do you. I reckon you are wrong and if so that comments stands. You are the one that posted that dribble and I bet you can't back it up.
I've never liked racists and I'm a massive fan of migration.
@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521944) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521942) said:@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521937) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521928) said:@tilllindemann said in [Djokovic](/post/1521921) said:. The corporate lobby groups and neoliberal ideologues who pull the strings of government would much rather import people than fund proper industry training.
I don't think it's so simple. I worked for years for a big bank in big databases. We've never been able to get skilled resources solely from Australia. This is the same even within the big consulting companies.
I'll add the pay to me is ridiculously high. I was a manager and a full time employee and I was well paid but I had contractors in my team earning up to $1000 per day.
We need migrant labour.
My mate is a project manager @Optus and he just can’t hire end to end IT solutions architects anywhere in Aus. So they have no choice but to hire abroad
That was my job and that is the reality of the situation. There is a tonne of work and a dearth of talent.
He told me all the reasons why it was so hard to hire but I forgot the details. **I just know I chose the wrong career. He told me those guys get paid 2k a day or something**
@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521950) said:@magpie_magic said in [Djokovic](/post/1521935) said:So when we hear of skills shortages what they mean is that they wished for undocumented scab labour sadly.
Trust me skill shortages are a myth.
This is just palava. I worked for the Commonwealth Bank and we consistently struggled getting staff and basically everyone was on over 100k per year.
What is your field ?
@magpie_magic said in [Djokovic](/post/1521953) said:Racist ,that's funny. Was called Wog all through till 2000 when Asians became the predominant culture in my suburb. I suppose I must look Anglo Saxon to them.
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Djokovic](/post/1521949) said:@trentrunciman said in [Djokovic](/post/1521937) said:@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521928) said:@tilllindemann said in [Djokovic](/post/1521921) said:. The corporate lobby groups and neoliberal ideologues who pull the strings of government would much rather import people than fund proper industry training.
I don't think it's so simple. I worked for years for a big bank in big databases. We've never been able to get skilled resources solely from Australia. This is the same even within the big consulting companies.
I'll add the pay to me is ridiculously high. I was a manager and a full time employee and I was well paid but I had contractors in my team earning up to $1000 per day.
We need migrant labour.
My mate is a project manager @Optus and he just can’t hire end to end IT solutions architects anywhere in Aus. So they have no choice but to hire abroad
IMHO, it depends which city we are talking about.
In general, the HR's in Sydney and Melbourne and consequently the head-hunters: the general rule is once you are over 50 yo forget it. Now, it could be some additional % of the people that refuse to vaccinate.
In Canberra, the situation is much better, huge number of available jobs, with no ageism discrimination (so far).
The other issue is that the HR/head-hunters are not knowledgeable enough - and reject candidates just because their resume does not exactly match the job description!?
Some of them are lazy, and the go the easy way -we need new meet/brains from the overseas!
My understanding is that very few go to the Uni/TAFE with the request for targeted education programs!
@magpie_magic said in [Djokovic](/post/1521956) said:But look around, all is not as it’s seems.
@earl said in [Djokovic](/post/1521960) said:@magpie_magic said in [Djokovic](/post/1521956) said:But look around, all is not as it’s seems.
**Give us the data.** Seriously. I'll listen to anything rational.
I should add that I have an 18 yo and a 20 yo. They both are managing to find work and they've both gotten into uni. I don't see a bad life ahead for them (and my 11 yo). The world to me keeps getting better and not worse.