DO YOU SUPPORT GILLARDS CARBON TAX ?

[Rambo2714]

In principal yes. But not while our economy is still weak and the wealth distribution part infuriates me.

You need this :

Perspective
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Australia has one of the strongest economies in the developed world right now.

When our economy was booming , and reached its highest heights , we were not in the top 10.
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[Rambo2714]

“The carbon tax will drive up prices on just about everything , threaten jobs and do nothing absolutely nothing for the environment. It"s just a great BIG NEW TAX on everything, and every year it will just go UP and UP and UP There should be NO carbon TAX without a MANDATE. Let the voters decide. !!! Remember Gillard saying this 'THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD"

You sound like a cheap skate hypnotist .
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[Rambo2714]

no.
we pay too many taxes already.

That implies we are paying the carbon tax ourself, we aren't being taxed this. It will however effect the cost of living (energy bills etc) though hence we will be all giving free money (w00t) effectively, via tax cuts to make up for it. All in all, will pretty much equal out and won't make much of a difference to our lifestyle/budgets at all.

Jay Jay Jay Jay Jay No No No No No..Free money ?? Wont make a difference ?Tax cuts Jay, now i want you to make me a promise son .Stay away from the polling booths at the next election. Seriously NO NO SERIOUSLY !!!

Cheap skate Hypnotist .
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[Yossarian]

Dropped some rubbish off at the tip the other day it was 3 cardboard boxes of paper and plastic packing with an old fish tank COST = $37 I wonder what the cost will be once the Carbon Tax comes in?

Well it would cost nothing if you were smart enough to get your council to pick it up.

 

[Rambo2714]

It's a way to raise money to cover for the waste and needless expenditure.

Some of it is the right thinking, but wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything else.

As I understand it most if not practically all of the money raised is being redistributed in the form of tax breaks to individuals and to boost renewable energy.

Some money is being returned back to low income earners in the form of tax breaks. Apparently I earn too much and will not be getting a single cent.

This is despite the fact that I have used my 'untold wealth' to insulate my house, put in solar hot water, some solar panels on the roof to a limit that I can afford. If I had more money, I'd put more on!

Yet, Wayne who lives down the road and has 3 kids and earns 35K a year and has made no attempt to direct any of his income toward energy efficient living, gets some tax breaks.

How is that fair?

You see, Wayne and I went school together. His Mum & Dad still live together and mine split when I was a kid meaning I came from a single parent family.

Wayne left in year 10, smoked a bit of grass, partied hard and then decided to knuckle down when he got his girlfriend pregnant at 18\. He has since had two more kids and after being in and out of jobs for the past 20 years, has held his factory job for the past 3 years.

Silly me on the other hand stayed in school and finished year 12, worked two jobs until I was 20 and then spent another 20 in the same, respectable job and worked my way up the ladder. I married at 27 and have two girls.

Nothing wrong with either lifestyle choice and Wayne and I remain best mates to this day! Yet Wayne gets a lot of family and health benefits and now gets more tax breaks because of a carbon tax. I get zero.

This scenario is 100% true.

I'm all for helping out the battlers, but there has to be some fairness in the way the carbon tax is worked, and in the current world climate, is the timing right anyway?

Not if you vote Labour or Greens labor used to be for the working class not anymore im a swinging voter guess who i wont be voting for next election

Liberals never were and never will be for the working class , but guess what I'm not working class .
I simply expected this countries leaders to act with some sort of social conscious , and there is no one on the liberal side who knows what that means .
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[Rambo2714]

Yes to a price a carbon , simple reason if some one shat on the foot path in the street , the police would fine them .

Our manufactures should not be allowed , to shit on our Country . And if they do they should pay .
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[Properossi]

Dropped some rubbish off at the tip the other day it was 3 cardboard boxes of paper and plastic packing with an old fish tank COST = $37 I wonder what the cost will be once the Carbon Tax comes in?

Well it would cost nothing if you were smart enough to get your council to pick it up.

I work away from home and the wife wanted it gone before I go away again?

 

[Yossarian]

Dropped some rubbish off at the tip the other day it was 3 cardboard boxes of paper and plastic packing with an old fish tank COST = $37 I wonder what the cost will be once the Carbon Tax comes in?

Well it would cost nothing if you were smart enough to get your council to pick it up.

I work away from home and the wife wanted it gone before I go away again?

So it's more your wife's fault than Julia Gillard as such? Don't get me wrong, I'm a married man myself but by your own admission you paid because your missus wanted it done now rather than later.

Not really the carbon taxes fault these things cost too much, sounds more like a dud council or more accurately a typical council gouging money…

Our council does the pickups "on demand" so there is no wait. Probably the only decent thing they do.

 

[hammertime]

In principal yes. But not while our economy is still weak and the wealth distribution part infuriates me.

You need this :

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Australia has one of the strongest economies in the developed world right now.

When our economy was booming , and reached its highest heights , we were not in the top 10.
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:laughing:

Comparing our 'stronger' economy to the rest of the world is rubbish. Its still incredibly shaky!!

It's like saying 'hey, I'm way less of a criminal than that guy because I've only robbed one bank, where as he has robbed five'!

I don't get what you mean by the second part. If you mean the size our our economy, that's completely irrelevant to the arguement. It's about stability, not size.

 

[hammertime]

Liberals never were and never will be for the working class , but guess what I'm not working class .
I simply expected this countries leaders to act with some sort of social conscious , and there is no one on the liberal side who knows what that means .
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Um…....turnbull?

And you can thank the greens for the ETS, not Julia. But is suspect the wealth distribution part was Julia.

Julia just did the necessary backrooom deals to hold power and this was a fallout from those deals. Thankfully this is decent policy and the greens weren't just paid off with our tax dollars like the independents were.

 

[westTAHger]

Gillard told us there would not be a carbon tax.
then she introduces it.
**_so she has lied, :bash and as a result, she will be hammered in next election_**.

if you think they actually give a hoot about us, then you are kidding yourselves.
do we give ourselves pay rises, have all the b.s. allowances they have.
**_**if they were fair dinkum, they would have their salary set as a maximum of 90 K a year.
but do they. no. manipulative, two faced hypocrites.[/b**_]I will never trust a politician. :imp: :smiling_imp:
they could not lie straight on an autopsy table.**

 

[tomcat]

Bobby Brown jumps before the s#it hits the fan with Gillards carbon tax Gutless tree licker!!!

 

[Strider]

Our manufactures should not be allowed , to s*** on our Country . And if they do they should pay .
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[AndTheKungFoSing]

Gillard told us there would not be a carbon tax.
then she introduces it.
**_so she has lied, :bash and as a result, she will be hammered in next election_**.

if you think they actually give a hoot about us, then you are kidding yourselves.
do we give ourselves pay rises, have all the b.s. allowances they have.
**_**if they were fair dinkum, they would have their salary set as a maximum of 90 K a year.
but do they. no. manipulative, two faced hypocrites.[/b**_]I will never trust a politician. :imp: :smiling_imp:
they could not lie straight on an autopsy table.**

**They didn't give themselves a pay rise… they were handed down by the independent Remuneration Tribunal. They also lost many of those BS allowances... Understand the truth before listening to the muppets on AM radio or just glancing Telecrap headlines :unamused:\
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On the topic of the Carbon Tax... Smeg's initial post surrounding preference for an ETS with legislated outcomes is more popular with me. That said we need to do something and Abbotts direct action policy is neanderthalic at best. It's a joke that when push came to shove, instead of arguing the tax itself, Australia argued whether we needed one based on whether Global Warming is real or not... There was the chance to work this through (we saw this when Rudd and Turnball were in), instead they were replaced with two gumbies and the Noailition was formed under Abbott... they did what they do best and just said no**

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

I am very surprised to see the vote sooo close!

 

[hammertime]

I am very surprised to see the vote sooo close!

Looking at the responses, there really should be a 3rd option. 'support an ETS in general, but not in the current form'

 

[system]

I am very surprised to see the vote sooo close!

Looking at the responses, there really should be a 3rd option. 'support an ETS in general, but not in the current form'

That would be the option I would prefer to have

 

[westTAHger]

They didn't give themselves a pay rise… they were handed down by the independent Remuneration Tribunal. They also lost many of those BS allowances... Understand the truth before listening to the muppets on AM radio or just glancing Telecrap headlines :unamused:
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**where did i say I listended to AM radio. or glanced at Telegraph headlines.**Freedom of speech is still allowed in this forum.
People are entitled to express their opinions. :bulb:
just because mine may differ from your does not make it any more or less important

 

[westTAHger]

I am very surprised to see the vote sooo close!

Looking at the responses, there really should be a 3rd option. 'support an ETS in general, but not in the current form'

That would be the option I would prefer to have

I would prefer this one as well.

 

[slacko]

Basically yes, but it should have been better and most certainly wasn't 'sold' well.
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