Does Taylor has the respect of NRL players?

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Forget your own opinion on the matter for a minute and look at the rugby league landscape, they are not liking this and the reaction is that this is a joke of a club.

Easy to see if you stop trying to defend the decision.

No. This will all be ancient history in about 2 weeks time.

No it only takes one player to walk out and this is curtains for Taylor. It will be seen as rats fleeing a sinking ship.

If Taupau walks its all over.

 

[diedpretty]

Yeah, cos Gibbs would have first hand experience having never played under him. And Moltzen is a reliable source as well having played in NSW cup the last 3 yrs. Notice so far the only players who have graced us with their valued opinions have been members of the old boys club. I'm sure Heignno, Ryan and Marshall will give us their unwanted opinions next.

I'd love to hear Wayne Bennetts views on this
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Wayne Bennett says the way Farah has been treated is a bad look for the game because fans want players to remain loyal to clubs - turns fans away from the game. Rotating coaches tend to have a negative effect on the makeup of clubs.
I dont think you will get anyone currently involved in the game supporting the way the club has treated Farah even if they understand the need to clear the cap pressure. Love him or hate him, he has been a champion for this club and he deserves better treatment than he has received from the current do drop ins - and quite frankly based on their current contribution to the club that is all they will be to me at this point - talked lots and achieved not much. They at least owe the fans of Farah the opportunity to farewell him in the manner he deserves rather than five days notice of their intention to shaft him, before our last home game. And why wouldnt his ex playing mates vent their disapproval - that's what a loyal mate does. Embarrassed to be a fan of this club this week.

That's pretty ripe coming from Bennett - the way he abuses the system to get players to break contracts with clubs and then quickly discards them when things don't work out. Yea nice look for the game Wayne.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

That's pretty ripe coming from Bennett - the way he abuses the system to get players to break contracts with clubs and then quickly discards them when things don't work out. Yea nice look for the game Wayne.

Yes, two words for Wayne: Allan Langer.

 

[cqtiger]

As far as JT's reputation goes ( and I'm not a big fan of him) after all this and the team starts to perform above expectations next year and again the year after with little addition to the roster, then his credibility will soar.

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[NT_Tiger]

Forget your own opinion on the matter for a minute and look at the rugby league landscape, they are not liking this and the reaction is that this is a joke of a club.

Easy to see if you stop trying to defend the decision.

No. This will all be ancient history in about 2 weeks time.

No it only takes one player to walk out and this is curtains for Taylor. It will be seen as rats fleeing a sinking ship.

If Taupau walks its all over.

Hopefully the 'rats' will take the opportunity and go.

 

[TrueTiger]

As far as JT's reputation goes ( and I'm not a big fan of him) after all this and the team starts to perform above expectations next year and again the year after with little addition to the roster, then his credibility will soar.

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Agree cq,the very point is,if Taylor is to become successful,he has to clear the mess and get the team to play to NRL standard which means 80mins solid not 30/40 mins a game..
The youth of this team is still developing,there's not much depth for back up and yet people are screaming for his head..
The last two games were lost by player errors,giving up possession,stupid unnecessary penalties and pushing passes that didn't need to be,they led the Knights and capitulated..

When this team starts playing proffesionally and consistently,then you will see better results,however it all takes time and patients…..

I have tried to make a rational valid argument in favour of the coach and what he faces..
Obviously there will be plenty that can't wait to respond in a negative fashion....but that's the game.....strong hard decisions have to be made at times,this club has been unproffessional on and off the field for to long,changes have to be made in order to progress..

 

[bobo125]

No matter what the most vocal here are saying you only need to look around the NRL community to see what this decision has done for Jason Taylor's reputation. No decent player with good management will go anywhere near this club. The only ones he will be able to win over are the desperate and those unwanted by their own clubs.

Exactly. The word will be out, don't come to WTs while Taylor is coach.

mate, the word has been out for a very very long time in league circles.
DONT go anywhere near Jason Taylor.

hes the mini me of Ricky stuart without 1% of the credentials.

 

[stevetiger]

if Taylor is to become successful,he has to clear the mess and get the team to play to NRL standard which means 80mins solid not 30/40 mins a game..

Agreed but at the same time he has been terrible this year and we should state it. Robbie's form has slipped but somehow Taylor gets a free ride.

JT has led us to our worst ever season. His game plans and spin have been completely unacceptable.

You can give Taylor a chance however he shouldn't be given a free ride by anyone for this years performance.

 

[TrueTiger]

No matter what the most vocal here are saying you only need to look around the NRL community to see what this decision has done for Jason Taylor's reputation. No decent player with good management will go anywhere near this club. The only ones he will be able to win over are the desperate and those unwanted by their own clubs.

Exactly. The word will be out, don't come to WTs while Taylor is coach.

mate, the word has been out for a very very long time in league circles.
DONT go anywhere near Jason Taylor.

hes the mini me of Ricky stuart without 1% of the credentials.

bobo,you seem to have a deadset grudge against Taylor for whatever reason,you are either a coach who has had his toes trodden on by Taylor or you are a player that he rejected,or you could be someone who just gets on the forum as of yesterday,after the Farah saga and want to throw your 20 cents worth of dribble in just to cause more grief than what should be…you seem to know a lot more than the other forum members regarding Taylor,and as far as league circles,which circles are they..WTs,Sharkies or my guess is probably Roosters....

 

[bobo125]

No matter what the most vocal here are saying you only need to look around the NRL community to see what this decision has done for Jason Taylor's reputation. No decent player with good management will go anywhere near this club. The only ones he will be able to win over are the desperate and those unwanted by their own clubs.

Exactly. The word will be out, don't come to WTs while Taylor is coach.

mate, the word has been out for a very very long time in league circles.
DONT go anywhere near Jason Taylor.

hes the mini me of Ricky stuart without 1% of the credentials.

bobo,you seem to have a deadset grudge against Taylor for whatever reason,you are either a coach who has had his toes trodden on by Taylor or you are a player that he rejected,or you could be someone who just gets on the forum as of yesterday,after the Farah saga and want to throw your 20 cents worth of dribble in just to cause more grief than what should be…you seem to know a lot more than the other forum members regarding Taylor,and as far as league circles,which circles are they..WTs,Sharkies or my guess is probably Roosters....

mate, as ive said before - im not a player or a coach or anyone who has had their toes stepped on by Taylor…

I am a fan of the game. have been for over 30 years and i call a spade a spade.

League / being a fan is pretty emotional at the best of times.
watching a farce like this unfold is embarrassing.
For the fans the club and the general spectators of the game.
what im saying might seem to you like i have a grudge or i have some kind of inside knowledge etc
i can assure you i dont have a grudge.
My comments are based on what i know matched with what i have witnessed.
If you are dead set surprised that this CURRENT mess is the responsibility of the coach you are living in another galaxy.
Hiring Taylor was always risky.
why - look at his past records
you look at his relationship with players
listen to how current players dance around comments about him and or his "methods"
look at how past players / legends / also openly state - "we will have to wait and see"
there is never one bit of complete confidence shown towards him by anyone.
Privately - its a lot more raw.

im not sure how my comments are causing more harm, when there are other threads and people on here all saying exactly the same thing.

you must surely understand, the coach is the boss.
what he says goes. what he implements determines the success.
So far, this year he has taken your team the cusp of the wooden spoon
he has completely deflated his young roster and now hes saking the captain.
can you seriously tell me that is someone who is breathing confidence into the team, the organisation, the club.
come one mate, you might find what im saying a hard pill to swallow but its all their in the open.

 

[larrycorowa]

Well it has been said before…...

Sheens lost the dressing room,Potter lost the dressing room,now Taylors lost the dressing room..

I think a fair amount of players shouldnt be in the dressing room if they dont want to relate to the coach..

It has even been said on here about the defense of some of the players,simple if you cant tackle you shouldnt be in the FG side,this is professional rugby league..I watched the Knights beat the Storm the other night and their defense was fantastic,and our team is a much better side in my opinion.....ARM GRABBING..how pathetic coming from professional players...

This mob is the classic case of "throwing the toys out of the cot",when things are to tough or not going the way they want....

This is a great post.

The majority of this team is so young that they need to be following/relating to the coach, rather than listening to the veterans grumblings about all the new systems being put in place. I also watched that Knights game, and just as they did against us, they played with energy and determination throughout the contest. Something which the Tigers are capable of for 30 mins a game, and the Tigers are a better team. The arm grabbing and softness in defence is horrendous at times, almost as bad as the ill-discipline around the ruck. These kids and club need new leaders urgently, on and off the field.

In the OP, there is so much speculation and conjecture its laughable. The sulking by former players and outgoing players is amateur hour, pay no attention, it paints an even darker image of the club than it already has. The club needs focus on future success and changes in the club culture.

Exactly….comments from Moltzen and Gibbs highlight what is wrong about the WT culture that JT and the new board want to change. Also Farah did himself a disservice going to the media....it re-enforces the opinion many have of Farah.

 

[NT_Tiger]

…........bobo,you seem to have a deadset grudge against Taylor for whatever reason,you are either a coach who has had his toes trodden on by Taylor or you are a player that he rejected,or you could be someone who just gets on the forum as of yesterday,after the Farah saga and want to throw your 20 cents worth of dribble in just to cause more grief than what should be...you seem to know a lot more than the other forum members regarding Taylor,and as far as league circles,which circles are they..WTs,Sharkies or my guess is probably Roosters....

TT I think it was Ink yesterday hit the nail on the head saying he successfully turns the thread and makes it all about him. Tries to come across with his 'facts' (unsubstantiated assertions) like he's somebody 'in the know' so forumers try to guess who he is. His theme is unrelenting "I don't like Taylor".

Bobo knows! nudge nudge.

 

[ricksen]

This is as good a time as any for the NRL to stop heavily back-loaded contracts. They don't have to be equal every year but surely they have to reasonable?

They're now outlawed - as per Ikin and Toovey on NRL 360 last night.
Quite right too, as they're a form of cap circumvention.

A pertinent question is; Who leaked this?

smart money would be on Farah's agent.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Hiring Taylor was always risky.
why - look at his past records
you look at his relationship with players
listen to how current players dance around comments about him and or his "methods"
look at how past players / legends / also openly state - "we will have to wait and see"
there is never one bit of complete confidence shown towards him by anyone.

can you seriously tell me that is someone who is breathing confidence into the team, the organisation, the club.
.

This is the truth right here. The apologists dont want to see it. Theyll see it in hindsight at the end but the evidence is there.

Ive discussed the same points privately, the only thing i add and the one that seals the deal for me is the lack of over all improvement in the playing squad. Added to the above points it provides the confidence i need to be able to say the coach is not the right man to lead this young and talented squad.

 

[larrycorowa]

You only have to listen to Farah's recent comments in the media to understand why JT wants him gone. This guy is only loyal if everything is going his way.

Taylor is the coach. Farah is paid to play and if he doesn't like it that way he can go…..the board has made it clear that he won't be undermining another coach and guess what Farah doesn't like it and runs to the media....but when the media is on his back he is up in arms....not the sort of leader to take us forward (Blocker was 100% correct here).

I suspect that Mayer's departure is linked with the Farah 4yr contract extension somehow.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

JT does have the support of the playing group

The question should be does Farah…..

It's time the team becomes the kids team and we remove all the cancer at the club, Farah is a start.

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[cqtiger]

I don't know what the truth is or what the best outcome would be for this situation.

What I do know is every workplace has its own "culture". You know … This is how we do it.

Robbie has been with us a long time and we know there hasn't been strong leadership from management in the past. I have been in workplaces where the old heads have told me "don't listen to the boss, he doesn't know what he's talking about".

Here? Maybe, maybe not.

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