Farah

We had the chance to move him on last year when other teams would have been much more likely to pay a reasonable amount of his salary, after Tallis unlocked the door and then Robbie opened it right up shortly after. He gave WT the opportunity to show him the door whilst he moped around and got his numbers together to shore his position against Potter and public opinion.

He and Payten totally white-anted a good man, whilst the club let him get away with it, eventually removing the wrong person for mine. Should have mended the hole in the fence at Campbo and let him career off to wherever that waiting getaway car may have ended up.
 
Yep hindsight….the WT let the wrong guy go last year...in his 3rd year Potter would have had this team singing by now without Farah.....and because Farah is stuck to this joint for the next 2 years on ~$1m per year...we are "stuck in quick sand". until 2018!...sheez!....by then Cherrington will be the NZ hooker playing for a different team!!
 
@alexaki said:
Yep hindsight….the WT let the wrong guy go last year...in his 3rd year Potter would have had this team singing by now without Farah.....and because Farah is stuck to this joint for the next 2 years on ~$1m per year...we are "stuck in quick sand". until 2018!...sheez!....by then Cherrington will be the NZ hooker playing for a different team!!

There is a workaround for all this more than likely no ones going to take robbie off our hands
Unless it's an English team so just dump farah in to the NYC team and leave him there till he retires or buggers off.
 
Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary
 
@Geo. said:
Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Don't forget to send me a copy of next years form guide !!!
Waiting …............. "Crickets"
:roll

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@hobbo2803 said:
@Geo. said:
Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Don't forget to send me a copy of next years form guide !!!
Waiting …............. "Crickets"
:roll

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I'm with Geo and I posted in the other thread about this. Criticism for Farah is barely warranted, and calls for his removal are ludicrous.

I also seriously cannot believe I am reading comments here about Potter being the guy we should have kept, that Potter had it right, knew what needed to be done etc. etc.

So apparently the buck stops with the coach and JT should be sacked right now because we are 15th, however Potter should have been given another go because he managed 13th and 15th.

Turn it up. I would expect criticism and upset fans, warranted, after such a bad year. But let's not go right off the rails.
 
@jirskyr said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@Geo. said:
Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Don't forget to send me a copy of next years form guide !!!
Waiting …............. "Crickets"
:roll

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I'm with Geo and I posted in the other thread about this. Criticism for Farah is barely warranted, and calls for his removal are ludicrous.

I also seriously cannot believe I am reading comments here about Potter being the guy we should have kept, that Potter had it right, knew what needed to be done etc. etc.

So apparently the buck stops with the coach and JT should be sacked right now because we are 15th, however Potter should have been given another go because he managed 13th and 15th.

Turn it up. I would expect criticism and upset fans, warranted, after such a bad year. But let's not go right off the rails.

Let's see what the next 2 years brings us…. But at 31 I'm next expecting much from Farah... His is past his peak yet getting paid peak form salary....

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@jirskyr said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@Geo. said:
Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Don't forget to send me a copy of next years form guide !!!
Waiting …............. "Crickets"
:roll

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I'm with Geo and I posted in the other thread about this. Criticism for Farah is barely warranted, and calls for his removal are ludicrous.

I also seriously cannot believe I am reading comments here about Potter being the guy we should have kept, that Potter had it right, knew what needed to be done etc. etc.

So apparently the buck stops with the coach and JT should be sacked right now because we are 15th, however Potter should have been given another go because he managed 13th and 15th.

Turn it up. I would expect criticism and upset fans, warranted, after such a bad year. But let's not go right off the rails.

How far do you want me to turn it up ??
Only 2 more years :unamused:

Can't you see what we see ?

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@jirskyr said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@Geo. said:
Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Don't forget to send me a copy of next years form guide !!!
Waiting …............. "Crickets"
:roll

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I'm with Geo and I posted in the other thread about this. Criticism for Farah is barely warranted, and calls for his removal are ludicrous.

I also seriously cannot believe I am reading comments here about Potter being the guy we should have kept, that Potter had it right, knew what needed to be done etc. etc.

So apparently the buck stops with the coach and JT should be sacked right now because we are 15th, however Potter should have been given another go because he managed 13th and 15th.

Turn it up. I would expect criticism and upset fans, warranted, after such a bad year. But let's not go right off the rails.

I agree with his in general.

The clamour for Potts return/Farah sacking is as delusional as the Taylor has the tream on the right track despite being in spoon contention theory. At the end of the day both had had average pretty average squads and they have both returned poor results.

The difference being I suppose taylor had full power to bring in staff and full support of the board etc. With those staff he managed to have a much better run with injuries.

We need an exceptional coach to turn around a club as poor and mediocre as ours. We have not found one, so the only real answer is to save up for one or save up for better players
 
@jirskyr said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@Geo. said:
Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Don't forget to send me a copy of next years form guide !!!
Waiting …............. "Crickets"
:roll

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I'm with Geo and I posted in the other thread about this. Criticism for Farah is barely warranted, and calls for his removal are ludicrous.

I also seriously cannot believe I am reading comments here about Potter being the guy we should have kept, that Potter had it right, knew what needed to be done etc. etc.

So apparently the buck stops with the coach and JT should be sacked right now because we are 15th, however Potter should have been given another go because he managed 13th and 15th.

Turn it up. I would expect criticism and upset fans, warranted, after such a bad year. But let's not go right off the rails.

That's just not a balanced argument. Taylor has taken a team who is onside and free of injuries along with the full support of the board and CEO to practically last on the table.
Potter had a team that he had no control over in terms of signings, riddled with injuries running 5th or thereabouts before the CEO decided it wasn't good enough and Farah, Payten, Farah's minions & the board all turned on him to the point where the players basically switched off for the last 6 weeks or so of the season to have them finish in a higher position than they are this year. I hated the way potter was treated - still do.
As for Farah, I've really appreciated his toughness over the years, his guidance and his determination, but seriously, his time is up. I don't care how good he's been. You don't sign people fro a mill because they've been good for a long time.
 
Maybe I am delusional, my thoughts ludicrous and form could well be only temporary, but our captain crippled our already injury hit club just over a year ago, having reportedly started destabilising the coach another twelve months or so previously.

Farah lost me then, just as he did his form and it has nothing to do with the Taylor.
 
This year was always going to be tough. It is a transition period, with the departure of Galloway, Lawrence and a few others. Farah is in the twilight of his career but has given his all for the WTs. We have a wonderful array of young talent waiting to be NRL ready. I look forward to Kharwin, Seve, Jacobs, Sironen, Graham and JJ Felise debuting.

The reality is Potter should never have been at the club. Sheens should have been kept on to make whatever changes were necessary to the playing roster and avoid the payout we had to make.
 
@wd in perth said:
Taylor has taken a team who is onside and free of injuries along with the full support of the board and CEO to practically last on the table.
Potter had a team that he had no control over in terms of signings, riddled with injuries running 5th or thereabouts before the CEO decided it wasn't good enough and Farah, Payten, Farah's minions & the board all turned on him to the point where the players basically switched off for the last 6 weeks or so of the season to have them finish in a higher position than they are this year. I hated the way potter was treated - still do.

I think anyone supporting JT must have rocks in their heads. The guy has been absolutely terrible.

@wd in perth said:
As for Farah, I've really appreciated his toughness over the years, his guidance and his determination, but seriously, his time is up. I don't care how good he's been. You don't sign people fro a mill because they've been good for a long time.

We've signed him. He deserves to see out his contract. I think we can still get a lot of value out of him however we really need a coach who can get a lot more out of a lot of our players.

I accept that we need some improvements in the players that we have but I have serious concerns about the coach. He is not improving us as a team at all. He is pushing us backwards.
 
@tiga4eva said:
The whole Farah/Potter fall out was because Robbie wanted a 4yr deal, and Potter wanted him signed for 2yrs, and reassess after the 2 years was up. This was when Robbie turned on Potter and instructed the other players that Potter wasn't the Coach for them. My boss is very close friends with Potter.

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Thanks Milky for the link to the Farrah/Potter disaster from last year. After reading that thread and watching Saturday's farce, did I see some similarity between the team performance in the last six games of last year and Saturday's? Is there something or **somebody** common to these two happenings, which may explain the similarity between the two?
 
It would be wonderful if by moving on Farah or sacking Taylor would solve all our problems and make us into a real force in the NRL. In reality we have basically a average roster and even Thurston would struggle. We always focus on individuals, when in fact its a team game. As others have said, it is very hard for Farah to do his stuff when the forwards are not going forward. Also in the past couple of weeks and especially last week they were forced to make a heap of tackles due poor discipline and poor options, that is always going to bring you undone.

I am still willing to give Taylor, Farah and the kids another half season before I start calling for blood
 
When you need someone to be cool calm and collective it's the captain. He has shown that he isn't that since coming back from injury. His mistakes have more costly than anyone else's the last 2 weeks.

The guy bleeds for this club and is our captain however shouldn't make him being able to avoid accountability.

He needs to show dramatic composure, control and leadership next year if next year shouldn't be his last with the club.

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Is he playing injured ?
Is he stepping back from being in control and letting the younger blokes in the team step up and control the game, because he knows his time left is limited.
 
@wd in perth said:
That's just not a balanced argument. Taylor has taken a team who is onside and free of injuries along with the full support of the board and CEO to practically last on the table.
Potter had a team that he had no control over in terms of signings, riddled with injuries running 5th or thereabouts before the CEO decided it wasn't good enough and Farah, Payten, Farah's minions & the board all turned on him to the point where the players basically switched off for the last 6 weeks or so of the season to have them finish in a higher position than they are this year. I hated the way potter was treated - still do.
As for Farah, I've really appreciated his toughness over the years, his guidance and his determination, but seriously, his time is up. I don't care how good he's been. You don't sign people fro a mill because they've been good for a long time.

Yours is a Potter apologist's argument.

I am not a mad Taylor fan, far from it. There are very many arguments for all our coaches about why they might not have succeeded in given seasons.

So for example, perhaps Taylor is not getting the best out of his squad because of:
- previously-installed salary cap pressures
- supportive but business-focused (not from rugby league background) board
- pressures from NRL-bailout and weakness of Balmain financial position
- late hiring and limited control over of first-year recruitment and retention
- pre-existing long-term junior retention strategies
- mid-year resignation of CEO

Not saying these are all true, but they are potential arguments. Same as you have totally valid arguments for why Potter was somewhat hamstrung.

But those who want Taylor removed NOW make the argument that the coach is firstly judged by the results, not the conditions in which the results were achieved. They also tend to dismiss statistical arguments because "there are too many other factors that can influence results";for example, where points conceded might be improved compared to 2014, they counter that things like injury tolls, weather, time of day all have an impact and render such statistics too flexible / too difficult to analyse.

I am not opposed to this argument, if the same argument is used for all parties. Fair enough, chuck out the for/against or missed tackles stats, if you chuck it out for all coaches.

But certainly you can't say that Taylor needs to go because his team is 2nd last, when his predecessor did not do any better. At least let Taylor have his second season - every Tigers coach apart from Junior has had at least 2 seasons - to see what he can do.

And if Potter lost support of Farah and "minions", if such a faction really exists and you really know how the internal machinations of the club work, then that is just another example of how he failed to get the best from his troops and to work with the tools he had.

People still call Tim Sheens "teflon", but at least the dude was not being crippled by club politics for most of his 10 season run.
 
@alexaki said:
As long as he is our hooker and captain we are no chance of playing finals footy…

He should be shopped around with Lawrence...

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Really? WOW! :unamused:
 

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