Fifita or Galloway

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There was a caller on 2SM talking sport yesterday and he made a good point, Galloway has never really come on as expected and keeps getting shunted from Rep Teams, do you think we made the correct decision in keeping big Keith Galloway and allowing Andrew Fifita to move on???
 
Actually he was pretty peeved and commented that he was disgusted in the player retention policy and wouldnt be renewing his wests tigers membership next year, how many people on this forum hold season tickets????
 
KG keeps getting injured, I think that is more the problem. Even considering that, at the moment he is a better player than Fifita.

Hopefully if we continue to be patient he will stay fit long enough to go to the next level.
 
@you know who said:
There was a caller on 2SM talking sport yesterday and he made a good point, Galloway has never really come on as expected and keeps getting shunted from Rep Teams, do you think we made the correct decision in keeping big Keith Galloway and allowing Andrew Fifita to move on???

KG is a great guy, but I agree.

I keep waiting for him to get angry.
 
Yes, correct decision IMO. Galloway just needs an uninterupted run of games to show his best. He wouldn't look out of place in the Blues jumper - i think injury has robbed him of making a push in the last couple of years.
 
@larrycorowa said:
Yes, correct decision IMO. Galloway just needs an uninterupted run of games to show his best. He wouldn't look out of place in the Blues jumper - i think injury has robbed him of making a push in the last couple of years.

Would have to agree. He would have played Origin last year had he not been injured.

He has been our best and most consistent forward this year IMO.
 
Its a good point by the caller. We paid overs hoping he would be that pack leader and origin player and he hasn't done it.
 
Sauce is the best prop we have at the moment… so yes!

I also believe Aaron Woods has much more potential than Fifita... so i'm comfortable in the decision.
 
i was actually thinking about this a couple of weeks ago. i know most people will say the decision is easy but galloway does get injured alot! i would have rathered us keep both + gibbs
 
We looked awful when galloway had a rest against storm he is kinda different to fifita he likes to run straight . Gotta remember alot of rep Front rowers play club footy with rep forwards in there pack KG has not had much rep standard help with the tigers . Kade snowden looks good at sharks he also has Jeremy Smith PAul Gallen Anthony Tupou helping him it helps . Galloway has Gibbs ?? Payten at the end of his career ? woods Developing ? looks little different .
 
@hybrid_tiger said:
@larrycorowa said:
Yes, correct decision IMO. Galloway just needs an uninterupted run of games to show his best. He wouldn't look out of place in the Blues jumper - i think injury has robbed him of making a push in the last couple of years.

Would have to agree. He would have played Origin last year had he not been injured.

He has been our best and most consistent forward this year IMO.

x 3 Keefy ,Gareth and Rhino have been the 3 picks this year If Gall can stay on the paddock for say 22 weeks of a season it will help him so much as he will grow in confidence . Remember in 09 he played on with the foot injury regardless to try and get us to the semis
 
Its done now and truthfully I'm getting more comfortable with the decision.

I think that Galloway is a great player. I don't think he gets enough minutes and he gets injured too often but he does cart it forward. I think Woods looks similar to Galloway however his handling hasn't been crash hot.

Fifita may turn into the best player out of all of them. He can win a game by himself however he is also a flashy prop and doesn't have the consistent impact of a Galloway. Who knows how he will turn out. Maybe the best prop in the game. Maybe Daine Laurie mark 2.

I'm happy to keep the worker type forwards who get us on the front foot and let the backs and Robbie win us games.
 
Actually, I think we might be attacking this question from a slightly wrong angle.

Nobody questions whether or not Galloway is a good prop- he obviously is, and would be highly valued on the open market by most NRL teams.

The way I look at it though is for 'value'. And by that, I don't mean minutes played vs impact- I mean salary cap value compared to impact. Galloway is on around $300k from memory- maybe higher? Can't quite remember.

Either way- he's one of the 'elite' players of the squad, financially, and as a result, should be required to excel in order to justify his salary. The argument about Galloway is used in comparison in some parts to Fifita, and others with Gibbs. Neither of these guys, at this stage, are 'elite' players for the squad, or looked upon as the type of player that will transform/change the Tigers pack from one that competes to one that dominates. Adam Blair, on the other hand, has to be considered 'elite'- particularly if his contract value is even somewhere close to the reported $500k. So the loss of Fifita, Gibbs & Payten & possibly a Fulton, for example, when compared to an 'elite' player like Blair- is quite acceptable- after all, Blair 'should' have a greater impact on the play of the Tigers forwards than any of the previously mentioned players.

Here's the kicker though- this is the 'salary cap' era, as well as the 'top 25 player squad' era. So roster management is not just about getting 'elite' players- but balancing the 'elite' players/salaries with the 'grunts'- guys that do a good job at a value rate- guys like Gibbs, Fulton- etc. As I see it- Galloway, Farah, Marshall, Lote, Lawrence & Heighington would probably be the 'elite' guys as far as contract value goes. Adding Blair to that means we then have to fill the roles of Gibbs, Fulton (possibly), Ryan (possibly), McKinnon, Payten,Fifita, the Shirnaks (possibly), Flanagan & Mitch Brown (possibly) with players of 'lesser' contract value (as Blair's inclusion takes up a large chunk of the money saved by losing these players) but still retain the same level of productivity from these lesser contract players.

Essentially, the 'real value/risk/reward' to signing Blair will only partly be seen by the play of Blair- he'll obviously be required to upgrade his level of play & have some positive impact on the play of the Tigers to justify his value (we should expect much closer to dominant forward displays by the pack- in other words). But the value/impact of the cheaper contract guys replacing the players released to accomodate Blair- Payten's replacement, Gibbs' replacement, Brown's replacement, Ryan's replacement- etc, must also be of an equal standard to the guys released to fit Blair under the Cap. If the 'grunts' brought in to fill these roles are not up to the standard required- it's quite possible that the Tigers, while strengthening 1 player/position, have essentially weakened the 'team'- and this is simply not going to be acceptable, is it?

So- back to Galloway vs Fifita..or even Gibbs for argument's sake- would replacing 1 'elite' player (Galloway) to bring in Blair be better value than using Woods/Groat or as many other untested players will be required to fill the gaps left by the departing players? At this stage- hard to say. On paper, it'll look great having Blair & Galloway paired up- but if Johnny No-Name from the reggies can't fill that back-up wing role when Lote/Utai get hurt as well as Mitch Brown does- are we ahead? Or behind? That'll be the test.

That'll be where we see if we got value- or if we sacrificed the 'team' for 1 upgraded position.
 
Galloway is only 26 in September Demps, he's hardly over the hill. He's also by and far our most consistent front rower.

His only issue is that he's made of tissue and spit and gets hurt way too easily. If you wanted to look at it from a value for money angle you'd say Fifita.
 
Fifita reminds me of Willie Manu. When he does something good it tends to be amazing, but the majority of what he does is average.

Sure Fifita has some awesome highlights, there was the 40m try run against Raiders or that fend on Jeremy Latimore (amongst others). But most of his hitups are not hugely effective and we don't go forward on his back, we use him to attack when close.

We also use Dwyer in close and even Fulton has bagged a few tries at the line.

The point was made above that Fifita's new contract is approx the same value as Galloway's. I don't think there is much argument at the moment that we don't get that value from Fifita; Galloway is a proven performer. Sharkies can afford to punt on his potential because they have lots of spare cap and nobody else to run on. We have kids lining up to fill the prop spots and I think the right decision has been made.
 
Fifita's attitude sucks, that's why he off to shark park next year.
I'd take Galloway anyday, a proven performer above a reputation that outways the reality.
 
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