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[Madge]

@avocadoontoast Could you please elaborate and possibly provide some evidence of that?

 

[weststigers]

To some of the earlier posters, I understand the issue around why only the gays (and all the Dudley’s) have an issue and the drunks etc don’t is that all of the other “sins” are choices, whilst being gay is a not a choice vis a vis giving it up.

That's probably true, but these people need to understand the reasoning behind why the church says these things.

Before I go on, I am not religious in any way. I have just read a lot on the topic and the further you read, the more you can understand where these views come from.

Basically, the church believes that, ideally, sex is for pro-creation between a married male/female couple only....any other act of sex is judged to be equally as impure and a sin - there is no special or extra hate towards homosexuals.

These include acts of sex between:

1. Adulterers (sex outside ones marriage and for pleasure)
2. Fornicators (unmarried sex for pleasure)
3. Homosexuals (cannot conceive and also unmarried sex for pleasure)

**The common theme above is that these acts are not for the purpose of the possibility of conceiving within a marriage.**

Relevant to this point is that the church is also against contraception, mutual masturbation within marriages and abortion which further helps one understand that the view is not really anti-gay.

 

[Madge]

@weststigers Correct.

 

[avocadoontoast]

@Madge a person is born how they are born. If you’re assuming that all people are born heterosexual and then decide to turn gay as a choice then you are incorrect.

 

[weststigers]

@weststigers
1. I did not say anything about the church being tolerant to homosexuality in fact its quite the opposite, We do not tolerate the act of homosexuality, but we respect the people for who they are (well at least we should, yet some like to talk about it and judge people that are). "Love your neighbour as yourself."

2. In terms of the "harsh" words said in those verses are used to show the severity of sin and the detrimental effects it has on one person, sin is considered death or separation from Christ.

3. We believe that we were born in the image and likeness of Christ, and that if that 'natural' element of us is taken away, it distorts that concept of being created in the image of God.

I hope that somewhat answers your question, if you have more questions feel free to ask, and ill answer to the best of my knowledge.

Ummm....no I'm good. I come from a Greek Orthodox background, so I'm well aware of the views of the church.

I just disagree with you.

 

[Madge]

@weststigers lol you just said you are not religious in any way...

 

[weststigers]

@weststigers lol you just said you are not religious in any way...

I'm not...doesn't mean it hasn't been rammed down my throat my whole life

Also, because you don't quote my posts, I'm not really sure what you are referring to.

For the record, I'm not anti-gay, nor do I think homosexuality is a sin. I'm just aware of the different angles people are coming from.

My view is people have overreacted and if they understood the view is about procreation within marriage, and the same judgement is placed upon heterosexual individuals, rather than any anti-gay sentiment, they wouldn't stress out about it so much.

 

[Tim Sheens]

@Madge gay people are born like that. It isn’t a choice.

Yeah, wow, I obviously read him wrong, as here I was applauding his acceptance, yet am now dismayed that such a person can still believe that being gay or trans is a choice.

 

[Madge]

@formerguest till this point, there is no science that can prove or disprove the fact that someone is born gay... that’s your opinion and that’s my opinion.

I.e. identical twins perhaps may be evidence on one side to say people are not born gay because identical twins develop from a single fertilized egg, they have the same genome. So any differences between twins are due to their environments, not genetics.

And so if one gay and the other is not gay then possibly that may be an argument to say that there is no such thing as a "gay gene".

 

[GNR4LIFE]

@avocadoontoast Could you please elaborate and possibly provide some evidence of that?

Dude, you were going so well until you came out with this tripe. Was it a choice for you to be straight? When you walk around, do you choose what women you find attractive, or is something you have no control over? Are you saying that i could choose to be gay right now, like I can see a guy and think “I choose to be attracted to him”. Doesn’t work like that.

 

[Madge]

@GNR4LIFE look I get where you are coming from, but another side of the argument could be the environment you are in, they way you are brought up, how you see right and wrong, etc. i respect your opinion and I hope you respect mine. Whilst we do disagree on this sensitive topic, I hope soon some sort of scientific reasoning can come out to prove either of us. Let’s move on from this conversations because we would just be going back and forth with each other.

 

[TIGER]

@avocadoontoast Could you please elaborate and possibly provide some evidence of that?

Dude, you were going so well until you came out with this tripe. Was it a choice for you to be straight? When you walk around, do you choose what women you find attractive, or is something you have no control over? Are you saying that i could choose to be gay right now, like I can see a guy and think “I choose to be attracted to him”. Doesn’t work like that.

With you 100% GNR.
It blows my mind that seemingly intelligent logical people can't seem to understand that we don't choose what appeals to us!!!!

Yet they want to condemn people for being attracted to things that don't appeal to them.

It's ok if you're not attracted to the same sex, but some people are, and just like you have no choice in who you're attracted to, neither do they.

Claiming that your imaginary God is going to send them to your imaginary hell just shows your lack of ability to think rationally and logically.

If Folau's God does exist and created everyone, why would it create people that are attracted to the same sex?
Just so he can send them to hell?

 

[avocadoontoast]

@Madge I think you’ll find homosexuality has been around since the beginning of human civilisation. In all cultures throughout the world. It is not a recent ‘lifestyle choice’ and predates the religions that say it’s a sin by millennia.

 

[TIGER]

@formerguest till this point, there is no science that can prove or disprove the fact that someone is born gay... that’s your opinion and that’s my opinion.

I.e. identical twins perhaps may be evidence on one side to say people are not born gay because identical twins develop from a single fertilized egg, they have the same genome. So any differences between twins are due to their environments, not genetics.

And so if one gay and the other is not gay then possibly that may be an argument to say that there is no such thing as a "gay gene".

Is there a colour Red gene?
A Ford gene
A Vegemite gene
A rugby league gene

Why do Ford's, Vegemite and rugby league appeal to some and not others?
Is it because we have a certain gene

If there's no gene that is making Ford cars appeal to some and not to others, why do you expect there to be a gene that makes the same sex appeal to some and not to others?

 

[Masterton]

Are you saying that being gay is not a choice? if so, I highly disagree.

Love the idea that there are people who are attracted to the opposite sex, and they just decide, "Nah, I think I'll be gay instead. That looks like the go for me." Ask yourself how likely it would be that you would change teams. People want what they want.

 

[upthetigers]

Can't believe we're still having this discussion in 2019.

It's like the people who think depression is a choice. Who in there right mind would choose to be depressed, it just comes from a place of ignorance.

 

[TIGER]

Can't believe we're still having this discussion in 2019.

It's like the people who think depression is a choice. Who in there right mind would choose to be depressed, it just comes from a place of ignorance.

And that ignorance is born and nurtured through religion.

 

[happy_tiger]

Seriously this thread needs to get back on track or close it

In my opinion we keep coming back to the same point ....Folau will want 800 k plus to play on the wing

I wouldn't pay 800 k for Radradra .......

The comments he made are a moot point ...but if you want to argue that can we leave out the homosexual and slurs about depression etc

Seriously Mods if this doesn't stay on track close it ....isn't worth the fighting

 

[upthetigers]

@TIGER Couldn't agree more... religious nutjobs are cancer.

 

[Madge]

@upthetigers look i didn’t personally offend you in any way, I was having a civilised conversation on here, no need for that comment.