Fullback Moltzen's best position

[happy_tiger]

Well a few on here wont like Benji saying that. Heres just a few posts that disagree with the worlds best player.

"Anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly retarded."

"Mate I am a Motlz fan but he is a woeful fullback. The side is weaker with him there"

"He is not a fullbacks xxxxx. If you think so you're watching a different game.

Loses ground on kick returns. Poor positioning in defense"

"And once again, anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly deluded. Moltzen is a TERRIBLE fullback."

"Anybody who thinks moltzen is a good fullback has no idea"

"Moltzen is terrible at FB."

Now just because Benji thinks he can succeed there doesnt make it true, but i find it interesting that some feel soooooooo strongly against it when others can see it happening, but thats what makes footy great. I think Tigh makes an excellent point when he said that Moltz was a 20 year old kid when he played fullback….so he made some mistakes, but if he cant get a crack at 5/8, then his long term futre is at fullback. Give it and him time.

If Robbie Lui broke a fingernail and was out for a couple of weeks….What position do you think Benji would say Moltz is suited to.....fullback........

Thank you for condensing pages of lunatic comments in 1 post too....LOVE YOUR WORK

probably not the right question to ask Benji they do live together puts pressure on Benji

 

[Goose]

Well a few on here wont like Benji saying that. Heres just a few posts that disagree with the worlds best player.

"Anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly retarded."

"Mate I am a Motlz fan but he is a woeful fullback. The side is weaker with him there"

"He is not a fullbacks xxxxx. If you think so you're watching a different game.

Loses ground on kick returns. Poor positioning in defense"

"And once again, anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly deluded. Moltzen is a TERRIBLE fullback."

"Anybody who thinks moltzen is a good fullback has n
"Moltzen is terrible at FB."

Now just because Benji thinks he can succeed there doesnt make it true, but i find it interesting that some feel soooooooo strongly against it when others can see it happening, but thats what makes footy great. I think Tigh makes an excellent point when he said that Moltz was a 20 year old kid when he played fullback….so he made some mistakes, but if he cant get a crack at 5/8, then his long term futre is at fullback. Give it and him time.

Moltzen's kick returns and defensive positioning are both diabolical. This is a fact.

NO this is not fact this is opinion. And an opinion I (and many others) disagree with.

 

[king_sirro]

Hybrid i do agree with u that Moltz shouldnt be at fullback right now. He should be in State Cup getting things right with his knee, fitness and his faults as a fullback. Too much to ask for him to be playing fullback in NRL right now, but his long term future is there.

 

[happy_tiger]

Hybrid i do agree with u that Moltz shouldnt be at fullback right now. He should be in State Cup getting things right with his knee, fitness and his faults as a fullback. Too much to ask for him to be playing fullback in NRL right now, but his long term future is there.

My only issue with that is the standard of football in State cup isn't good enough and I don't think he will learn enough about playing position properly . Maybe if we go down the Moltzen at fullback track we throw him in deep end and at NRL level so he would and could learn from his mistakes . All players have to at some stage . Other benefit (and I don't now if he has time with his role at club ) But I of the best positional fullbacks I have seen due to lack of pace was Andrew Leeds . He would get a lot of info talking to him about playing fullback .

 

[king_sirro]

Yeh u could be right, but i fear if he gets thrown to the wolves now his confidence will be shot. Id prefer him to get his confidence up against lesser opposition and when he comes in he'll have better self belief. Having a fullback who doubts himself spells danger, and after a year off, Moltz would have to have some self doubt. Let him crawl before he walks and let him walk before he runs.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yeh u could be right, but i fear if he gets thrown to the wolves now his confidence will be shot. Id prefer him to get his confidence up against lesser opposition and when he comes in he'll have better self belief. Having a fullback who doubts himself spells danger, and after a year off, Moltz would have to have some self doubt. Let him crawl before he walks and let him walk before he runs.

My greater concern is his confidence with his knee If you want to stick him in NSW cup for that reason fine . IMO being a good positional fullback is a feel thing . You just get this feeling where you need to be by what you see happening in front of you and by whats happening in the game a lot of it is common sense . It can be hard at times and IMo some people just never get it right as they make the wrong call too often

 

[cktiger]

I know there are many other factors but…...statistically how many games have we won with Moltz at fullback compared to him playing half?
Tim has the ability to be could become one of the best halfbacks in the game- shame to waste his talents elsewhere.

 

[king_sirro]

Yeh u could be right, but i fear if he gets thrown to the wolves now his confidence will be shot. Id prefer him to get his confidence up against lesser opposition and when he comes in he'll have better self belief. Having a fullback who doubts himself spells danger, and after a year off, Moltz would have to have some self doubt. Let him crawl before he walks and let him walk before he runs.

My greater concern is his confidence with his knee If you want to stick him in NSW cup for that reason fine . IMO being a good positional fullback is a feel thing . You just get this feeling where you need to be by what you see happening in front of you and by whats happening in the game a lot of it is common sense . It can be hard at times and IMo some people just never get it right as they make the wrong call too often

Oh mate agree 100%. If he wasnt coming back from his knee id say throw him in now

 

[king_sirro]

I dont know why people think Moltz is a great halfback. He's not a halfback at all. He's a running 5/8 with a nice slight of hand. A halfback is an organiser and he isnt that. We won with him at 7 because he basically played like a 5/8 and Benji and Robbie did all the organising. He'd be busted as a halfback in any other team. The only reason i want him to succeed as a fullback is so we dont lose him to another club…..he cant crack 5/8 with us, and his term future isnt as a halfback because he doesnt organise, so fullback would be the go.

 

[happy_tiger]

I know there are many other factors but…...statistically how many games have we won with Moltz at fullback compared to him playing half?
Tim has the ability to be could become one of the best halfbacks in the game- shame to waste his talents elsewhere.

Don't diagree at all But if Wade can't improve (which I really hope he does ) we need to look at Fullback . Fullback is one the 4 most important positions on the field and we won't win the premiership if we don't find a solution . At this stage i can't see a measureable improvement by sticking Moltzen at half over Lui

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Well a few on here wont like Benji saying that. Heres just a few posts that disagree with the worlds best player.

"Anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly retarded."

"Mate I am a Motlz fan but he is a woeful fullback. The side is weaker with him there"

"He is not a fullbacks xxxxx. If you think so you're watching a different game.

Loses ground on kick returns. Poor positioning in defense"

"And once again, anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly deluded. Moltzen is a TERRIBLE fullback."

"Anybody who thinks moltzen is a good fullback has n
"Moltzen is terrible at FB."

Now just because Benji thinks he can succeed there doesnt make it true, but i find it interesting that some feel soooooooo strongly against it when others can see it happening, but thats what makes footy great. I think Tigh makes an excellent point when he said that Moltz was a 20 year old kid when he played fullback….so he made some mistakes, but if he cant get a crack at 5/8, then his long term futre is at fullback. Give it and him time.

Moltzen's kick returns and defensive positioning are both diabolical. This is a fact.

NO this is not fact this is opinion. And an opinion I (and many others) disagree with.

No, this is a fact. Do you honestly think that Moltzen's kick returns are up to standard for a first grade fullback?

The guys WALKS back from kick returns. Honestly…I wonder what some people were watching when Moltzen was played at fullback.

The only time he looked good playing #1 was when he chimed into the backline as an extra ball player. It had nothing to do with any of the main attributes a fullback should have.

I just don't understand why so many people want him back there right now. If he does move there you people all better not start complaining when we can't get out of our own half because we start sets 20-30 metres further back than we should be.

First grade is not the time or place to be learning a new position. Moltzen may be a good fullback down the track, but not now; unless he has suddenly learnt how to return the ball.

 

[system]

His kick returns strike me as very Sheens. I think we all remember Beau Ryan as the uncoached fullback returning the ball as hard as possible. After a few weeks he became the Moltzen style of hand off to the winger and get ready to playmake off the next ruck

 

[hybrid_tiger]

His kick returns strike me as very Sheens. I think we all remember Beau Ryan as the uncoached fullback returning the ball as hard as possible. After a few weeks he became the Moltzen style of hand off to the winger and get ready to playmake off the next ruck

Very true. Ryan ran like a steam train for three weeks, then soon learnt to walk it back.

But its not just kick returns. Ability under the high ball. Defensive positioning. Cleaning up kicks. Support play (something McKinnon is evidently VERY good at). Moltzen has none of this.

 

[happy_tiger]

Well a few on here wont like Benji saying that. Heres just a few posts that disagree with the worlds best player.

"Anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly retarded."

"Mate I am a Motlz fan but he is a woeful fullback. The side is weaker with him there"

"He is not a fullbacks xxxxx. If you think so you're watching a different game.

Loses ground on kick returns. Poor positioning in defense"

"And once again, anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly deluded. Moltzen is a TERRIBLE fullback."

"Anybody who thinks moltzen is a good fullback has n
"Moltzen is terrible at FB."

Now just because Benji thinks he can succeed there doesnt make it true, but i find it interesting that some feel soooooooo strongly against it when others can see it happening, but thats what makes footy great. I think Tigh makes an excellent point when he said that Moltz was a 20 year old kid when he played fullback….so he made some mistakes, but if he cant get a crack at 5/8, then his long term futre is at fullback. Give it and him time.

Moltzen's kick returns and defensive positioning are both diabolical. This is a fact.

NO this is not fact this is opinion. And an opinion I (and many others) disagree with.

No, this is a fact. Do you honestly think that Moltzen's kick returns are up to standard for a first grade fullback?

The guys WALKS back from kick returns. Honestly…I wonder what some people were watching when Moltzen was played at fullback.

The only time he looked good playing #1 was when he chimed into the backline as an extra ball player. It had nothing to do with any of the main attributes a fullback should have.

I just don't understand why so many people want him back there right now. If he does move there you people all better not start complaining when we can't get out of our own half because we start sets 20-30 metres further back than we should be.

First grade is not the time or place to be learning a new position. Moltzen may be a good fullback down the track, but not now; unless he has suddenly learnt how to return the ball.

Hybrid by moving up slowly most fullbacks are trying to get someone to try and move out of the line and then thye can attack the hole .By handing off to wingers they can then become a playmaker for next play if 6 7 or 9 is not back yet on side .I think a fullback is more effective doing that than running full bore at defense and getting smashed and maybe turning ball over .

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Moltzen's kick returns and defensive positioning are both diabolical. This is a fact.

NO this is not fact this is opinion. And an opinion I (and many others) disagree with.

No, this is a fact. Do you honestly think that Moltzen's kick returns are up to standard for a first grade fullback?

The guys WALKS back from kick returns. Honestly…I wonder what some people were watching when Moltzen was played at fullback.

The only time he looked good playing #1 was when he chimed into the backline as an extra ball player. It had nothing to do with any of the main attributes a fullback should have.

I just don't understand why so many people want him back there right now. If he does move there you people all better not start complaining when we can't get out of our own half because we start sets 20-30 metres further back than we should be.

First grade is not the time or place to be learning a new position. Moltzen may be a good fullback down the track, but not now; unless he has suddenly learnt how to return the ball.

Hybrid by moving up slowly most fullbacks are trying to get someone to try and move out of the line and then thye can attack the hole .By handing off to wingers they can then become a playmaker for next play if 6 7 or 9 is not back yet on side .I think a fullback is more effective doing that than running full bore at defense and getting smashed and maybe turning ball over .

I respectfully disagree. There is a time and place for trying to be a playmaker, and it is not off kick returns.

We need the most metres we can get to start a set, especially when we are under pressure and stuck in our own half and having a fullback who walks it back, then tries to palm it off to a winger because he wants to avoid contact is not good enough.

Brett Hodgson was a fullback who often chimed in as a playmaker at the line. He was 70 kilos dripping wet yet he ran the ball back with more venom than Moltzen ever has.

 

[cktiger]

I dont know why people think Moltz is a great halfback. He's not a halfback at all. He's a running 5/8 with a nice slight of hand. A halfback is an organiser and he isnt that. We won with him at 7 because he basically played like a 5/8 and Benji and Robbie did all the organising. He'd be busted as a halfback in any other team. The only reason i want him to succeed as a fullback is so we dont lose him to another club…..he cant crack 5/8 with us, and his term future isnt as a halfback because he doesnt organise, so fullback would be the go.

AS long as Benji and Robbie are there they'll be doing most of the organising . Moltz has got a good all round passing game and backs up well- and has real speed to worry opposing teams.

 

[happy_tiger]

NO this is not fact this is opinion. And an opinion I (and many others) disagree with.

No, this is a fact. Do you honestly think that Moltzen's kick returns are up to standard for a first grade fullback?

The guys WALKS back from kick returns. Honestly…I wonder what some people were watching when Moltzen was played at fullback.

The only time he looked good playing #1 was when he chimed into the backline as an extra ball player. It had nothing to do with any of the main attributes a fullback should have.

I just don't understand why so many people want him back there right now. If he does move there you people all better not start complaining when we can't get out of our own half because we start sets 20-30 metres further back than we should be.

First grade is not the time or place to be learning a new position. Moltzen may be a good fullback down the track, but not now; unless he has suddenly learnt how to return the ball.

Hybrid by moving up slowly most fullbacks are trying to get someone to try and move out of the line and then thye can attack the hole .By handing off to wingers they can then become a playmaker for next play if 6 7 or 9 is not back yet on side .I think a fullback is more effective doing that than running full bore at defense and getting smashed and maybe turning ball over .

I respectfully disagree. There is a time and place for trying to be a playmaker, and it is not off kick returns.

We need the most metres we can get to start a set, especially when we are under pressure and stuck in our own half and having a fullback who walks it back, then tries to palm it off to a winger because he wants to avoid contact is not good enough.

Brett Hodgson was a fullback who often chimed in as a playmaker at the line. He was 70 kilos dripping wet yet he ran the ball back with more venom than Moltzen ever has.

I see where you are coming from . But when do you want momentum in your set of six first tackle or 3rd 4th or 5th Tackles Unless you have Brad Clyde in your side Forwards aren't back til 2nd tackle So you want the best organizer at the back And the best organizer isn't your winger It is your fullback If fullback takes it up you will have a winger passing it to a winger And then you risk losing momentum and set becomes disorganized and you will make less meterage on that set of six and lose field position

 

[Tigerdave]

If they really want Moltzen at fullback, he should probably be playing fullback in the lower grades first up to help build up some confidence, well, he should be playing lower grades at the moment anyway so he can get back into the swing of things.

 

[Geo]

Well a few on here wont like Benji saying that. Heres just a few posts that disagree with the worlds best player.

"Anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly retarded."

"Mate I am a Motlz fan but he is a woeful fullback. The side is weaker with him there"

"He is not a fullbacks xxxxx. If you think so you're watching a different game.

Loses ground on kick returns. Poor positioning in defense"

"And once again, anyone who wants Moltzen at fullback is honestly deluded. Moltzen is a TERRIBLE fullback."

"Anybody who thinks moltzen is a good fullback has n
"Moltzen is terrible at FB."

Now just because Benji thinks he can succeed there doesnt make it true, but i find it interesting that some feel soooooooo strongly against it when others can see it happening, but thats what makes footy great. I think Tigh makes an excellent point when he said that Moltz was a 20 year old kid when he played fullback….so he made some mistakes, but if he cant get a crack at 5/8, then his long term futre is at fullback. Give it and him time.

Moltzen's kick returns and defensive positioning are both diabolical. This is a fact.

NO this is not fact this is opinion. And an opinion I (and many others) disagree with.

No, this is a fact. Do you honestly think that Moltzen's kick returns are up to standard for a first grade fullback?

The guys WALKS back from kick returns. Honestly…I wonder what some people were watching when Moltzen was played at fullback.

The only time he looked good playing #1 was when he chimed into the backline as an extra ball player. It had nothing to do with any of the main attributes a fullback should have.

I just don't understand why so many people want him back there right now. If he does move there you people all better not start complaining when we can't get out of our own half because we start sets 20-30 metres further back than we should be.

First grade is not the time or place to be learning a new position. Moltzen may be a good fullback down the track, but not now; unless he has suddenly learnt how to return the ball.

:laughing: he's played 10 mins in a year…..even Superman took a while to change into his suit...

How can you honestly judge?

 

[system]

Technically Superman merely removed his outer clothing as he was already wearing his suit