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[AmericanHistoryX]

My point being wouldn't the fullback role expedite benji's running game. Ahhh maybe not. Benji's getting old. Even a prop can catch him these days.
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[hellman]

I think he has basically been playing at 7 for a while now. I think the problem is that he simply isn't running it enough. If he starts running it more and looking to break the line I figure his game turns around.

He should focus on line breaks just as much as any other part of his game. His kicking game is pretty good. The problem is that he uses it too much.

 

[mtd]

^^ how do you run as a half though? the job is to direct the team and distribute the ball.

he looks dangerous taking when he has a run/hit up around the middle of the ruck, which i guess is similar to that of a fullback.

 

[hellman]

Andrew Johns seemed to run the ball a fair bit. Alan Langer did as well. I think I remember Steve Mortimer doing a fair bit of running as well.

I reckon running the ball is a pretty important part of playing 7.

 

[ellery_schofield]

^^ how do you run as a half though? the job is to direct the team and distribute the ball.

he looks dangerous taking when he has a run/hit up around the middle of the ruck, which i guess is similar to that of a fullback.

hellman hit the nail on the head when proving what an ignorant statement the above is.

thurston has proven for years that you can run the ball at 7, while there have been a huge number of running halfbacks in the top echelon for decades.

to name a few:

steve mortimer
gary freeman
tom raudonikis
allan langer
mark murray
stacey jones
slippery morris
ivan henjak
geoff toovey
des hasler
ewan mcgrady
craig polla-mounter

all dominant halves who were known far more for their running games than their organising from the no. 7 position.

and currently benji-clone shaun johnson does his best when running the ball while wearing the 7 jersey.

 

[WelcometotheJungle]

I agree with the fact that he needs to run more because that's what he does best- as I stated above.
This thread is an insult to Benji! How many times has he saved our team, won games for us & turned games around? The man is not only a Wests Tigers legend, but a Rugby League legend.
No one should be calling for his head after a string of bad games, but it happens every single time.

That's just my vent.
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[mtd]

^^ how do you run as a half though? the job is to direct the team and distribute the ball.

he looks dangerous taking when he has a run/hit up around the middle of the ruck, which i guess is similar to that of a fullback.

hellman hit the nail on the head when proving what an ignorant statement the above is.

thurston has proven for years that you can run the ball at 7, while there have been a huge number of running halfbacks in the top echelon for decades.

to name a few:

steve mortimer
gary freeman
tom raudonikis
allan langer
mark murray
stacey jones
slippery morris
ivan henjak
geoff toovey
des hasler
ewan mcgrady
craig polla-mounter

all dominant halves who were known far more for their running games than their organising from the no. 7 position.

and currently benji-clone shaun johnson does his best when running the ball while wearing the 7 jersey.

all old players… the game has changed alot.. its faster.. there is no where near as much time for the 6 & 7 with the ball as there used to be.

very ignorant assessment there ellery.

 

[simonthetiger]

Pfft! Great player, great play maker. Been coached away from his natural flamboyant game. 5/8 is his spot and he needs to be allowed to run more. Lawrence outside of him works brilliantly. I accept some mediocre moments in exchange for the sheer brilliance he can produce.
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[bigsiro]

Pfft! Great player, great play maker. Been coached away from his natural flamboyant game. 5/8 is his spot and he needs to be allowed to run more. Lawrence outside of him works brilliantly. I accept some mediocre moments in exchange for the sheer brilliance he can produce.
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[Tiger_Watto]

^^ how do you run as a half though? the job is to direct the team and distribute the ball.

he looks dangerous taking when he has a run/hit up around the middle of the ruck, which i guess is similar to that of a fullback.

You confusing a 'Halfback' with a '7' in todays game…

Funnily enough, if Benji goes back to 5/8, we need a 'Halfback'.

 

[ellery_schofield]

^^ how do you run as a half though? the job is to direct the team and distribute the ball.

he looks dangerous taking when he has a run/hit up around the middle of the ruck, which i guess is similar to that of a fullback.

hellman hit the nail on the head when proving what an ignorant statement the above is.

thurston has proven for years that you can run the ball at 7, while there have been a huge number of running halfbacks in the top echelon for decades.

to name a few:

steve mortimer
gary freeman
tom raudonikis
allan langer
mark murray
stacey jones
slippery morris
ivan henjak
geoff toovey
des hasler
ewan mcgrady
craig polla-mounter

all dominant halves who were known far more for their running games than their organising from the no. 7 position.

and currently benji-clone shaun johnson does his best when running the ball while wearing the 7 jersey.

all old players… the game has changed alot.. its faster.. there is no where near as much time for the 6 & 7 with the ball as there used to be.

very ignorant assessment there ellery.

what about thurston & johnson?

 

[hellman]

all old players… the game has changed alot.. its faster.. there is no where near as much time for the 6 & 7 with the ball as there used to be.

very ignorant assessment there ellery.

I bet you believe in Folkes being the real coach when we were successful as well.

If you want to look at today's players you can use Thurston, Shaun Johnson, Cherry-Evans and Scott Prince as examples of players that run the ball from the 7 position. You need to threaten the line in every position on the field and 7 is no exception. Running the ball is a huge part of being a 7.

I'm not sure if the coach is to blame either. I think Benji simply is working on other areas of his game and ignoring the most important part of his game.

 

[mtd]

all old players… the game has changed alot.. its faster.. there is no where near as much time for the 6 & 7 with the ball as there used to be.

very ignorant assessment there ellery.

I bet you believe in Folkes being the real coach when we were successful as well.

If you want to look at today's players you can use Thurston, Shaun Johnson, Cherry-Evans and Scott Prince as examples of players that run the ball from the 7 position. You need to threaten the line in every position on the field and 7 is no exception. Running the ball is a huge part of being a 7.

I'm not sure if the coach is to blame either. I think Benji simply is working on other areas of his game and ignoring the most important part of his game.

i have made no references to coaches…??

those players are naturals. they read a game and make the RIGHT decisions 80-90% of the time.. if you look at the majority of benji's plays over the years, it is hit and miss. i'd put him at 50%.

im not blaming anyone. i just think benji is better without structure, in open play, when the ball is shifted out to him when it could be a 2 on 2 situation and he doesnt have time to think and plan what he's going to do... an opportunity arises and he can say "gimme the ball now!!!" at the moment he gets the ball too much and has too many useless touches.... he is not an organiser and its about time we stop bloody trying to make him one.

 

[mtd]

^^ how do you run as a half though? the job is to direct the team and distribute the ball.

he looks dangerous taking when he has a run/hit up around the middle of the ruck, which i guess is similar to that of a fullback.

hellman hit the nail on the head when proving what an ignorant statement the above is.

thurston has proven for years that you can run the ball at 7, while there have been a huge number of running halfbacks in the top echelon for decades.

to name a few:

steve mortimer
gary freeman
tom raudonikis
allan langer
mark murray
stacey jones
slippery morris
ivan henjak
geoff toovey
des hasler
ewan mcgrady
craig polla-mounter

all dominant halves who were known far more for their running games than their organising from the no. 7 position.

and currently benji-clone shaun johnson does his best when running the ball while wearing the 7 jersey.

all old players… the game has changed alot.. its faster.. there is no where near as much time for the 6 & 7 with the ball as there used to be.

very ignorant assessment there ellery.

what about thurston & johnson?

johnson can still be moulded he is a few years younger than benji,
thurston is in a different league. he has been able to orgnaise and run the ball for years, since he was in his early 20's… benji is STILL trying to catch him... and to be honest he is not even close..

 

[hellman]

im not blaming anyone. i just think benji is better without structure, in open play, when the ball is shifted out to him when it could be a 2 on 2 situation and he doesnt have time to think and plan what he's going to do… an opportunity arises and he can say "gimme the ball now!!!" at the moment he gets the ball too much and has too many useless touches.... he is not an organiser and its about time we stop bloody trying to make him one.

I disagree but that is an opinion that at least makes sense. Stating that the modern day 7 doesn't run the ball is complete and utter fantasy.

 

[simonthetiger]

@hellman:

I disagree but that is an opinion that at least makes sense. Stating that the modern day 7 doesn't run the ball is complete and utter fantasy.
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[mtd]

im not blaming anyone. i just think benji is better without structure, in open play, when the ball is shifted out to him when it could be a 2 on 2 situation and he doesnt have time to think and plan what he's going to do… an opportunity arises and he can say "gimme the ball now!!!" at the moment he gets the ball too much and has too many useless touches.... he is not an organiser and its about time we stop bloody trying to make him one.

I disagree but that is an opinion that at least makes sense. Stating that the modern day 7 doesn't run the ball is complete and utter fantasy.

lol im starting to understand why people stop posting here…

you are manipulating and twisting everything I am saying to suit your own opinion.

i have not stated that the modern day 7 does not run the ball at all...

I have however said that in comparison to years gone by, when fatigue was a greater factor (in the 80's and 90's), the 7's run the ball alot less these days... doesn't take a genius to understand that...