Gibbs to Cronulla

[tigersrule4life]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/wests-tigers-coach-tim-sheens-says-his-sides-injury-list-has-caused-huge-problems-for-his-nrl-side/story-fn2mcuj6-1226073196330 tim sheens said were resigned to losing gibbs and andrew to sharks and our ceo said it could be this week

 

[Sabre]

Does anybody else think that these players leaving isnt just about signing Blair?
I think its one of two things:
1\. We are signing Blair AND another big name
2\. We are in serious salary cap trouble with backended contracts

 

[senexx]

Personally I don't want Blair, too many NZers in the team and we'll end up playing like the NZ team (completely lazy - turn it on for 5 minutes then not give a darn)

As for the pay of players, every single one of them gets paid too much, Real life min. wage 30k, League min wage 50k

If any of them want to stay all they have to do is take a pay cut and not live an extravagant lifestyle.

They all get paid a lot for not adding anything to the economy other than taking money out of our pockets and making us feel good when they win.

 

[innsaneink]

Its all too bloody easy to walk out of a contract.

The Sharks will blow their wad for next season and end up getting fined a couple of seasons later, its a risk and it seems its common place in the NRL…..we stuff up our cap and let someone take contracted players to ease our problem, the same thing will probably happen to Cronulla in a few years time.
Why arent contracts binding?
Make it once its signed its signed...thats it, no going back on your word, be a man, do what you agreed to.

 

[magpie_mania]

Personally I don't want Blair, too many NZers in the team and we'll end up playing like the NZ team (completely lazy - turn it on for 5 minutes then not give a darn)

As for the pay of players, every single one of them gets paid too much, Real life min. wage 30k, League min wage 50k

If any of them want to stay all they have to do is take a pay cut and not live an extravagant lifestyle.

They all get paid a lot for not adding anything to the economy other than taking money out of our pockets and making us feel good when they win.

yes hate to see this team become the all blacks.Nz all blacks that is.Laziness and consistency is certainly lacking from "certain" players from the shaky isles.

 

[Captain_Awesome]

Its all too bloody easy to walk out of a contract.

The Sharks will blow their wad for next season and end up getting fined a couple of seasons later, its a risk and it seems its common place in the NRL…..we stuff up our cap and let someone take contracted players to ease our problem, the same thing will probably happen to Cronulla in a few years time.
Why arent contracts binding?
Make it once its signed its signed...thats it, no going back on your word, be a man, do what you agreed to.

good post

It seems all clubs do it, sign players knowing full well they will have to cut some mid contract to stay under and to sign others.

We basically did the same thing a few years ago when we cut Harrison and Fulton mid contract

 

[Glennb]

Its all too bloody easy to walk out of a contract.

<snip>Why arent contracts binding?
Make it once its signed its signed…thats it, no going back on your word, be a man, do what you agreed to.</snip>

I wish people would get this bit, its CRITICAL to the discussion. Fifita IS NOT and never was under contract for next year. There was an option. Options can take one of MANY forms and it depends which kind of option it is as to how it works. Many form give either party an exit. It appears to me that the Tigers have tried to exercise theor side of the option to keep him at a bargain rate, he has been offered a squillion and taken the out in his option. To me this seems the obvious scenario and if it is correct then there is no blame on either side. The only choice for the Tigers would be to match the Cronulla option and it seems to me that it seems to be over the odds (as any offer from Cronulla would need to be).

 

[innsaneink]

Its all too bloody easy to walk out of a contract.

<snip>Why arent contracts binding?
Make it once its signed its signed…thats it, no going back on your word, be a man, do what you agreed to.</snip>

I wish people would get this bit, its CRITICAL to the discussion. Fifita IS NOT and never was under contract for next year. There was an option. Options can take one of MANY forms and it depends which kind of option it is as to how it works. Many form give either party an exit. It appears to me that the Tigers have tried to exercise theor side of the option to keep him at a bargain rate, he has been offered a squillion and taken the out in his option. To me this seems the obvious scenario and if it is correct then there is no blame on either side. The only choice for the Tigers would be to match the Cronulla option and it seems to me that it seems to be over the odds (as any offer from Cronulla would need to be).

So what are they saying below?

…....Another piece of good news for Wests Tigers is the extension given to prop Andrew Fifita following an agreement between Andrew and the Club to exercise an option in his current contract for the 2012 season.
>
Fifita, 21, has been a revelation for Wests Tigers since making his NRL debut in Round Two last year after joining the Club from Griffith Waratahs. Like Woods, he too was a member of the NSW Emerging Blues squad.
>
His mobility, hard work and offloads have seem him develop into a regular member of the Wests Tigers forward pack. Fifita has played 31 NRL matches for Wests Tigers and represented Tonga last year.
>
“I’m enjoying my footy here at Wests Tigers and I’m learning every day. We have a good squad here so it is exciting to know that I will be apart of that for a while yet,'' Fifita said.
>
**Wests Tigers Chief Executive Stephen Humphreys said that it was important to secure Woods and Fifita for a longer period**, especially after both players progression through the Club’s development system.......
http://www.weststigers.com.au/default.aspx?s=article-display&id=37014&title=aaron-woods-re-signs-for-three-more-years

Most league fans arent contract lawyers mate, are you saying its legalese BS....what is it?
Seems to me an agreement was achieved, he was to play here in 2012.....
Whats the go.....just more crap?

 

[alexaki]

Its all too bloody easy to walk out of a contract.

<snip>Why arent contracts binding?
Make it once its signed its signed…thats it, no going back on your word, be a man, do what you agreed to.</snip>

I wish people would get this bit, its CRITICAL to the discussion. Fifita IS NOT and never was under contract for next year. There was an option. Options can take one of MANY forms and it depends which kind of option it is as to how it works. Many form give either party an exit. It appears to me that the Tigers have tried to exercise theor side of the option to keep him at a bargain rate, he has been offered a squillion and taken the out in his option. To me this seems the obvious scenario and if it is correct then there is no blame on either side. The only choice for the Tigers would be to match the Cronulla option and it seems to me that it seems to be over the odds (as any offer from Cronulla would need to be).

Good point Glennb…and if you are spot on then neither party is to blame...to me Fifita is not worth more than $200k **at stage this of his development**.

 

[Glennb]

Its all too bloody easy to walk out of a contract.

<snip>Why arent contracts binding?
Make it once its signed its signed…thats it, no going back on your word, be a man, do what you agreed to.</snip>

I wish people would get this bit, its CRITICAL to the discussion. Fifita IS NOT and never was under contract for next year. There was an option. Options can take one of MANY forms and it depends which kind of option it is as to how it works. Many form give either party an exit. It appears to me that the Tigers have tried to exercise theor side of the option to keep him at a bargain rate, he has been offered a squillion and taken the out in his option. To me this seems the obvious scenario and if it is correct then there is no blame on either side. The only choice for the Tigers would be to match the Cronulla option and it seems to me that it seems to be over the odds (as any offer from Cronulla would need to be).

So what are they saying below?

…....Another piece of good news for Wests Tigers is the extension given to prop Andrew Fifita following an agreement between Andrew and the Club to exercise an option in his current contract for the 2012 season.
>
Fifita, 21, has been a revelation for Wests Tigers since making his NRL debut in Round Two last year after joining the Club from Griffith Waratahs. Like Woods, he too was a member of the NSW Emerging Blues squad.
>
His mobility, hard work and offloads have seem him develop into a regular member of the Wests Tigers forward pack. Fifita has played 31 NRL matches for Wests Tigers and represented Tonga last year.
>
“I’m enjoying my footy here at Wests Tigers and I’m learning every day. We have a good squad here so it is exciting to know that I will be apart of that for a while yet,'' Fifita said.
>
**Wests Tigers Chief Executive Stephen Humphreys said that it was important to secure Woods and Fifita for a longer period**, especially after both players progression through the Club’s development system.......
http://www.weststigers.com.au/default.aspx?s=article-display&id=37014&title=aaron-woods-re-signs-for-three-more-years

Most league fans arent contract lawyers mate, are you saying its legalese BS....what is it?
Seems to me an agreement was achieved, he was to play here in 2012.....
Whats the go.....just more crap?

That is a great example of what I am saying. IMO what Humphries is announcing is the Tigers intent to exercise the option in their favour. In defence of Fafita, his comments show that he was probably happy with that, but as Cronulla have offered a squillion, he is able to exercise HIS option to get out. That announcement IS NOT an announcement of a contract, its an announcement that the TIgers want to exercise their option. Cronullas offer has taken that opportunity away. Tigers only chance then is to match it.

 

[Marshall_magic]

The Gibbs decision baffles me a little. He was hopeless for 2-3 years from 06-08, yet we continually persisted with him through it, then when he starts to show signs that he is a quality prop, we let him go.

That being said, he's far from irreplacable, and if letting him go is the deciding factor on whether or not Blair comes to the club, I'm happy with it.

 

[innsaneink]

Its all too bloody easy to walk out of a contract.

<snip>Why arent contracts binding?
Make it once its signed its signed…thats it, no going back on your word, be a man, do what you agreed to.</snip>

I wish people would get this bit, its CRITICAL to the discussion. Fifita IS NOT and never was under contract for next year. There was an option. Options can take one of MANY forms and it depends which kind of option it is as to how it works. Many form give either party an exit. It appears to me that the Tigers have tried to exercise theor side of the option to keep him at a bargain rate, he has been offered a squillion and taken the out in his option. To me this seems the obvious scenario and if it is correct then there is no blame on either side. The only choice for the Tigers would be to match the Cronulla option and it seems to me that it seems to be over the odds (as any offer from Cronulla would need to be).

So what are they saying below?

…....Another piece of good news for Wests Tigers is the extension given to prop Andrew Fifita following an agreement between Andrew and the Club to exercise an option in his current contract for the 2012 season.
>
Fifita, 21, has been a revelation for Wests Tigers since making his NRL debut in Round Two last year after joining the Club from Griffith Waratahs. Like Woods, he too was a member of the NSW Emerging Blues squad.
>
His mobility, hard work and offloads have seem him develop into a regular member of the Wests Tigers forward pack. Fifita has played 31 NRL matches for Wests Tigers and represented Tonga last year.
>
“I’m enjoying my footy here at Wests Tigers and I’m learning every day. We have a good squad here so it is exciting to know that I will be apart of that for a while yet,'' Fifita said.
>
**Wests Tigers Chief Executive Stephen Humphreys said that it was important to secure Woods and Fifita for a longer period**, especially after both players progression through the Club’s development system.......
http://www.weststigers.com.au/default.aspx?s=article-display&id=37014&title=aaron-woods-re-signs-for-three-more-years

Most league fans arent contract lawyers mate, are you saying its legalese BS....what is it?
Seems to me an agreement was achieved, he was to play here in 2012.....
Whats the go.....just more crap?

That is a great example of what I am saying. IMO what Humphreys is announcing is the Tigers intent to exercise the option in their favour. In defence of Fafita, his comments show that he was probably happy with that, but as Cronulla have offered a squillion, he is able to exercise HIS option to get out. That announcement IS NOT an announcement of a contract, its an announcement that the TIgers want to exercise their option. Cronullas offer has taken that opportunity away. Tigers only chance then is to match it.

So are you saying that both parties can have an 'option'?
Seems like a waste of time and when does it close?

 

[Montague_Street]

Glenn is correct.
Ink: buy and read a basic law text. Maybe there's a "Contract Law for Dummies" out there.
Neither Fifita nor the Wests Tigers are breaking a contract. Indeed both sides appear to be exercising their contractual rights.
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[innsaneink]

Im not saying he's wrong, just asking for some clarification.

Easier to be a smart arse than to put a few words together and explain something eh Monty?

 

[Glennb]

Ink, its complicated (understatement). There are MANY forms of options. Sometimes its simple and the option is ONLY in favour of one party but these ar rare because if you think about it, what is the point of the other party signing that contract, may as well be additional year. More frequently its complex deal where both parties have th eoption with a range of triggers that each can use to exercise. I dont pretend to know the deal here but to me it seems clear that the Tigers tried to exercise their option and fifita has used his to get out and take the money. either way its a no blame either way and really has zero to do with Blair.

 

[roger86]

I,m tipping fifits to the knights

 

[farahfan]

heigno to the knights, if anything. bennett rates him

 

[innsaneink]

Ink, its complicated (understatement). There are MANY forms of options. Sometimes its simple and the option is ONLY in favour of one party but these ar rare because if you think about it, what is the point of the other party signing that contract, may as well be additional year. More frequently its complex deal where both parties have th eoption with a range of triggers that each can use to exercise. I dont pretend to know the deal here but to me it seems clear that the Tigers tried to exercise their option and fifita has used his to get out and take the money. either way its a no blame either way and really has zero to do with Blair.

Thanx….thought it was only always one party or the other.

Surprised - and pised off at this whole mess- I guess that such a promising potential would be offered such an easy out, you'd thnk we'd have secured him at least a bit more tightly, when imo hes been probably our best young prospect for a while now

 

[tiger05]

when imo hes been probably our best young prospect for a while now

This is the issue isn't it.

Fifita is our best prospect in a long time. Name a player who is a better prospect. Benji and Robbie in my opinion are the only two that looked better than Fifita has in a short period in the top grade.

Plus he is a prop which is where we have struggled in the past.

Fulton is a borderline first grader. A great player in a team with a massive set of props and second rowers. Gibbs defensively is a weapon but he can struggle getting go forward and is probably better suited to the second row in our team. We can lose these two. Fifita is a different story. I'd pay him overs.

 

[tigers05]

when imo hes been probably our best young prospect for a while now

This is the issue isn't it.

Fifita is our best prospect in a long time. Name a player who is a better prospect. Benji and Robbie in my opinion are the only two that looked better than Fifita has in a short period in the top grade.

Plus he is a prop which is where we have struggled in the past.

Fulton is a borderline first grader. A great player in a team with a massive set of props and second rowers. Gibbs defensively is a weapon but he can struggle getting go forward and is probably better suited to the second row in our team. We can lose these two. Fifita is a different story. I'd pay him overs.

He may be a prospect but at his age if has chosen to chase the money to go to the sharks a club going nowhere then the boy doesnt treat his career with any respect. If your carreer is about to start would you not want to play with quality players quality coaches and administration than take the first pay day and sacrifice a real opportunity to be guided and developed properly.

Over the years Ive seen many raw talented players come and go decide to chase the money quickly and disappear just as quick, unfortunately in this case Andrew may rue the day he decided to put money ahead of his career, I cannot see how his game will get better without any senior guidence and at the sharks all I see they have to show the way is a player that is just as immature as fifita…....Gibbs that is!!!!