God?

@alien said:
@Flippedy said:
His real name was Yeshua (Aramaic) - meaning Salvation. There you go :smiley:

So why don't people call him that then? It's not like it's so hard to say.

Bible scholars have mis-transliterated the original Greek text and it ended up as Jesus. Had a lot to do with mis-pronounciation between different cultures.
 
Yeah but Adman , these stories were written yonks after they apparently happened. What I am saying is that they are not eye witness accounts.

The bible has some good messages and passages in it about how we should try to live our lives but it should not be taken as word for word gospel. I have heard priests say as much and they have studied it backwards.
 
@Flippedy said:
@alien said:
@Flippedy said:
His real name was Yeshua (Aramaic) - meaning Salvation. There you go :smiley:

So why don't people call him that then? It's not like it's so hard to say.

Bible scholars have mis-transliterated the original Greek text and it ended up as Jesus. Had a lot to do with mis-pronounciation between different cultures.

It seems the majority of christians don't know that though. It seems a bit strange.
 
@alien said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
but you are acknowleding Jesus in your answer! so what if we dont know his birthday date - what day was your birthday 3 years ago - let alone 2000 years. Anyway its your death - there's only one man that conquered death and talked about it - my money is on him - no other in this world has anything to offer on the subject - who do you think i will believe. are you telling me Einstein is wrong.

If he existed then how do you know he conquered death? What did Einstein say about it?

Einstein said that with the laws of the universe then a god does exist. So Alien do i believe in you without any evidence for your argument - you haven't given me any yet - or should I believe what Einstein says? brother i love you but you are way out of your league - not just you but the believers too - the difference is faith - i know where i want to go when i die - and we all have to die soon - so choose your eternal life based on evidence not hearsay. thats all brother.
 
@Adman said:
@stryker said:
@Adman said:
[ The bible is after all an historical Book. If people say they don't have a religion because they don't believe in god, i think are missing the point of religion entirely.IMO.

Adman, firstly, the bible is not a historical book. It is a re-telling of stories 100's of years after they happened. Do you sincerely believe that Jesus walked on water or that God parted the Red Sea? That man was damned forever because a snake told Adam and Eve to eat from a forbidden tree? That all of humanity was born from just these two people? like I said before it is a good yarn but you seriously can not believe these things actually occured can you.

apologies, in my mind I was referring to the bible referring to Jesus and his life specifically.I didn't consider the other stories you mentioned, and generalized to whole book, which is obviously a stupid error of mine. I think what I'm trying to say is that someone saw this person do these things and decided to write them down. In that regard, the bible is a historical book that documented the life of this and many other people, no
different then any other written text about any other historical figure in our history before the modern age of video recordings etc.if we disregard written text as just something some powerful man wrote because he could, then how accurate is any historical literature?

I don't really understand the rest of your post. But sure.

Cheers.

The new testimate was actually written 30 years after jesus's supposed crucifixion. A lot of historians lived through that time in that area and there is no mention of jesus.

Oh to those saying to others to disprove the bible….. to quote a south park line "you can't disprove a flying spagetti monster either".
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@stryker said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
[thanks Strkyer! you solved the mystery to life. you know so much. and were you there by any chance. what is your source.plese give me a break. you have no idea. just your idea. please stick to wests tigers. you are out of your league. pardon the pun. :roll

And exactly what is this adding to the thread? We are having a civil debate here X if you want to grow up and join us, by all means do so.

please stick to topic.

I'll repeat for you AHX as you seem slow to learn. I'm not attacking anyone here and I would appreciate the same courtesy.

I do have an idea about this topic. I was raised catholic and spent 12 years in a catholic institution. I used to go to church a lot when I was younger. I do believe in some higher power but absolutely do not believe the stories depicted in the bible.

Religion is a man made institution that has been used historically to control people and gain wealth. It has always been more about gaining power than spreading the word of god.

I think a person can take small pieces from the bible as they see fit and live a full life without pandering to the teachings of the church. You can most definetly believe in a god without believing in religion.
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@alien said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
but you are acknowleding Jesus in your answer! so what if we dont know his birthday date - what day was your birthday 3 years ago - let alone 2000 years. Anyway its your death - there's only one man that conquered death and talked about it - my money is on him - no other in this world has anything to offer on the subject - who do you think i will believe. are you telling me Einstein is wrong.

If he existed then how do you know he conquered death? What did Einstein say about it?

Einstein said that with the laws of the universe then a god does exist. So Alien do i believe in you without any evidence for your argument - you haven't given me any yet - or should I believe what Einstein says? brother i love you but you are way out of your league - not just you but the believers too - the difference is faith - i know where i want to go when i die - and we all have to die soon - so choose your eternal life based on evidence not hearsay. thats all brother.

Einstein didnt know that quantum physics existed either, nor string theory. His calculations didn't explain the universe until these connected it. So, he put in a bucket solution, like most. That God did it.

But even if einstien is right, that doesn't mean the bible is real. It's a higher being, not prove of Christianity.
 
@stryker said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@stryker said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
[thanks Strkyer! you solved the mystery to life. you know so much. and were you there by any chance. what is your source.plese give me a break. you have no idea. just your idea. please stick to wests tigers. you are out of your league. pardon the pun. :roll

And exactly what is this adding to the thread? We are having a civil debate here X if you want to grow up and join us, by all means do so.

please stick to topic.

I'll repeat for you AHX as you seem slow to learn. I'm not attacking anyone here and I would appreciate the same courtesy.

I do have an idea about this topic. I was raised catholic and spent 12 years in a catholic institution. I used to go to church a lot when I was younger. I do believe in some higher power but absolutely do not believe the stories depicted in the bible.

Religion is a man made institution that has been used historically to control people and gain wealth. It has always been more about gaining power than spreading the word of god.

I think a person can take small pieces from the bible as they see fit and live a full life without pandering to the teachings of the church. You can most definetly believe in a god without believing in religion.

That was well said Stryker.
 
@hammertime said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@alien said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
but you are acknowleding Jesus in your answer! so what if we dont know his birthday date - what day was your birthday 3 years ago - let alone 2000 years. Anyway its your death - there's only one man that conquered death and talked about it - my money is on him - no other in this world has anything to offer on the subject - who do you think i will believe. are you telling me Einstein is wrong.

If he existed then how do you know he conquered death? What did Einstein say about it?

Einstein said that with the laws of the universe then a god does exist. So Alien do i believe in you without any evidence for your argument - you haven't given me any yet - or should I believe what Einstein says? brother i love you but you are way out of your league - not just you but the believers too - the difference is faith - i know where i want to go when i die - and we all have to die soon - so choose your eternal life based on evidence not hearsay. thats all brother.

Einstein didnt know that quantum physics existed either, nor string theory. His calculations didn't explain the universe until these connected it. So, he put in a bucket solution, like most. That God did it.

But even if einstien is right, that doesn't mean the bible is real. It's a higher being, not prove of Christianity.

One more time for the dummies - Einstein wasnt talking about christianity. thats man made - like a pool - not an ocean.
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@alien said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
but you are acknowleding Jesus in your answer! so what if we dont know his birthday date - what day was your birthday 3 years ago - let alone 2000 years. Anyway its your death - there's only one man that conquered death and talked about it - my money is on him - no other in this world has anything to offer on the subject - who do you think i will believe. are you telling me Einstein is wrong.

If he existed then how do you know he conquered death? What did Einstein say about it?

Einstein said that with the laws of the universe then a god does exist. So Alien do i believe in you without any evidence for your argument - you haven't given me any yet - or should I believe what Einstein says? brother i love you but you are way out of your league - not just you but the believers too - the difference is faith - i know where i want to go when i die - and we all have to die soon - so choose your eternal life based on evidence not hearsay. thats all brother.

I didn't even say that god doesn't exist.
 
other scientists that believed in God - Nicholas Copernicus, Francis Bacon, Jahannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes - Isaac Newton, Micheal Faraday - or are these people make believe too - or should i believe you people on this forum - im confused - what now! please people stick to wests tigers
 
@alien said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@alien said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
but you are acknowleding Jesus in your answer! so what if we dont know his birthday date - what day was your birthday 3 years ago - let alone 2000 years. Anyway its your death - there's only one man that conquered death and talked about it - my money is on him - no other in this world has anything to offer on the subject - who do you think i will believe. are you telling me Einstein is wrong.

If he existed then how do you know he conquered death? What did Einstein say about it?

Einstein said that with the laws of the universe then a god does exist. So Alien do i believe in you without any evidence for your argument - you haven't given me any yet - or should I believe what Einstein says? brother i love you but you are way out of your league - not just you but the believers too - the difference is faith - i know where i want to go when i die - and we all have to die soon - so choose your eternal life based on evidence not hearsay. thats all brother.

I didn't even say that god doesn't exist.

Anyway - i dont care Alien - its your death. I know only God can make one Benji
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
but you are acknowleding Jesus in your answer! so what if we dont know his birthday date - what day was your birthday 3 years ago - let alone 2000 years. Anyway its your death - there's only one man that conquered death and talked about it - my money is on him - no other in this world has anything to offer on the subject - who do you think i will believe. are you telling me Einstein is wrong

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@AmericanHistoryX said:
One more time for the dummies - Einstein wasnt talking about christianity. thats man made - like a pool - not an ocean.

I'm certainly not a dummy amx. You went from talking about jesus to throwing in enstien in your reference. You might want to work on your English and phraseology.
 
Einstein and Jesus are relative. Its all connected somehow. I never said you are a dummy. Its just a coin phrase. Dont be so sensitive - rather be constructive in this thread. thats all.
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
why are you repeating what i said to another in this thread. please at least be original. im talking evidence.

lol WHAT EVIDENCE???????

There is no evidence either way. It's all about faith and deciding whether to believe a collection of stories in a book. That book is not an historical eye witness account. It wasnt written by a journalist. It was compliated by man over centuries!
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@alien said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@alien said:
If he existed then how do you know he conquered death? What did Einstein say about it?

Einstein said that with the laws of the universe then a god does exist. So Alien do i believe in you without any evidence for your argument - you haven't given me any yet - or should I believe what Einstein says? brother i love you but you are way out of your league - not just you but the believers too - the difference is faith - i know where i want to go when i die - and we all have to die soon - so choose your eternal life based on evidence not hearsay. thats all brother.

I didn't even say that god doesn't exist.

Anyway - i dont care Alien - its your death. I know only God can make one Benji

I actually believe none of us ever die. I believe only our physical bodies die. I didn't say god or a creator doesn't exist but I don't think of god as a person or person-like, like some people do. That's why I don't like calling god a 'him' or a 'her' because that's person-like.
 

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