God?

Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.
 
@stryker said:
Believing in a higher power, or some sort of god is fine with me. Science doesnt explain everything for me.

That being said, I detest organised religion as ..

#1 I think it has very little to do with god. Religion in some form or another has been around for 1000's of years. It was historically used to controll the masses i.e. sacrifices in ancient civilisations for good harvests and prosperity, the burning alive of human beings accused of witchery and the crusades/holy wars.

#2 It has proven time and again to be easily corruptable. Think medieval times when scores were slaughtered because they either didnt believe or their belief differed, the conquering of new lands and the erradication of the natives, the conflicts over the West Bank, the conflicts in Ireland, suicide bombers in the name of Allah, the cover ups of the Catholic church with regard to sex crimes…the list goes on and on and on.

#3 The wealth that is built from what should be a non profit organisation and the pathetic distributions of said capital.

#4 The preying on of the vulnerable i.e. the emergence of suicide cults, scientology, tele-evangelism and faith healers.

With the entering of the industrial age and then modernism, the control factor has been lessened in the western world, but is still alive and kicking elsewhere. Why? We can explain almost everything yet the churches urge us to disregard this new information and continue to follow outdated belief systems that quite frankly make no sense.

As I said in the other thread, I was raised Catholic, went through the Catholic school system. It amuses me that many take the writings in the bible as gosple and are so closed minded to alternatives. I took a couple of relevant teachings and try to follow those i.e. do unto others and the ones that were made into the law of the land i.e. dont murder, steal etc...the rest of the bible, to me, is a good yarn but nothing more.

Lastly, onto God. I agree that faith is based upon the pillar of fear of the unknown after death. When my brother was killed my mother jumped head first into religion and it broke my family apart. I can see why she needs to believe she will see him again and to be honest I'd like the same. However I refuse to allow this to consume my life. This has burnt a lot of bridges that are yet to be mended. We are trying but it is a very slow process. I believe that God is a state of mind, a feeling, not an essence. I dont believe that Jesus was sent from heaven to save us all. Moreso he was a holy man with schizophrenia who _thought_ he was the son of God. There no doubt that if he is being portrayed correctly that he tried to make his world a better place but again I come back to the thought that it was all in his head. This is a thought I have about another historical figure - Joan of Arc.

I cant say that I dont believe in some higher power, but my experiences in life and earlier on at church has concreted my opinion that none of the organised religions have it right.

Although I don't agree with your views I like that you at least think Jesus was a lunatic.
There is a fair bit of proof that Jesus did live and you either think he was a liar, a lunatic or the son of God.
What frustrates me most is when people say I think jesus was a good teacher but christianity isn't for me. If you think he was a good teacher then listen to what he says and believe it!
 
@reyre2000 said:
Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

Yes but from both sides you cannot provide absolute proof Reyre . As I said it is like the chicken and the egg Nothing can't turn into something either way We make choices and live with those choices either way
 
@reyre2000 said:
Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

Why don't you try praying and asking God to prove his existence, then wait and see what happens :wink:
 
@Spartan117 said:
I believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.

**Just like electricity and the wind I feel and can see its affects in almost every facet of my life.**

I believe the Bible and that Jesus is the fulfilment of prophecy,

Jezz… Last week we buried a dear little 8 yr old my sons best mate.... FB Hamish the Brave.

Creation was cancer, rust and weed free - I am so grateful that my eternity was important enough for my God that he who is without sin became sin for me..... and for you.

ps - I am happy to respectfully discuss offline.

pss - I love Hillsongs music

Spartan, I love that line … I might even steal it for my signature, if you don't mind?
I have ecclectic views on spirituality ... I do believe in Jesus and God, but I also believe in re-incarnation. I have had many instances of things that I can't explain, including messages from those who have passed on (one very significant one very recently). But when times are tough, it's Jesus I pray to for help and guidance, and while I think the "Universe" has a lot to do with what happens, I think that God is watching over as well.

My father is a lay preacher in the Anglican Church (ie: He can bury you at a pinch, but can't do do marriages!). I had very little to do with him as I grew up, due to my parents divorcing when I was 5 and his moving to Tassie. I have also had many negative "Church" experiences, especially with the ecclesiastical churches. Dad said to me, once we were in touch again, something that stays with me always, "God isn't about churches or religion, He's about people."
 
@Flippedy said:
@reyre2000 said:
Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

Why don't you try praying and asking God to prove his existence, then wait and see what happens :wink:

Flippedly God Knows Ok He seen that scam before
 
Im sorry, you don't understand what i just wrote happy tiger. I am not trying to prove god does not exist. i dont have to. i dont believe your (anyones) claim IT does exist due to a rational mind and the cold hard fact of no one ever being able to show any shred of evidence for gods existence. Therefore i do not know what your basis of truth to your belief is.

My personal view is that its all fairy tales made up thousands of years ago when we didnt have the technology or reasoning we do today. Simply made up to comfort mankind when they couldnt answer the questions such as "where did the sun go?" "why did philip die?" Religion has evolved with time (just a small fallacy) and while we now know many of these questions they didnt back then, it's still used to comfort man in a simialr fashion, i.e. the fear of death and your own mortality.I'd like to be proven wrong. Show me some evidence.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Flippedy said:
@reyre2000 said:
Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

Why don't you try praying and asking God to prove his existence, then wait and see what happens :wink:

Flippedly God Knows Ok He seen that scam before

Sorry Happy, you've lost me there. I can be a bit thick sometimes, especially after days like today :laughing:
 
@Flippedy said:
@happy tiger said:
@Flippedy said:
@reyre2000 said:
Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

Why don't you try praying and asking God to prove his existence, then wait and see what happens :wink:

Flippedly God Knows Ok He seen that scam before

Sorry Happy, you've lost me there. I can be a bit thick sometimes, especially after days like today :laughing:

Yeah Flippedly What I meant was that God isn't probably likely to reveal his existance to a someone that does not believe in him
 
@reyre2000 said:
Im sorry, you don't understand what i just wrote happy tiger. I am not trying to prove god does not exist. i dont have to. i dont believe your (anyones) claim IT does exist due to a rational mind and the cold hard fact of no one ever being able to show any shred of evidence for gods existence. Therefore i do not know what your basis of truth to your belief is.

My personal view is that its all fairy tales made up thousands of years ago when we didnt have the technology or reasoning we do today. Simply made up to comfort mankind when they couldnt answer the questions such as "where did the sun go?" "why did philip die?" Religion has evolved with time (just a small fallacy) and while we now know many of these questions they didnt back then, it's still used to comfort man in a simialr fashion, i.e. the fear of death and your own mortality.I'd like to be proven wrong. Show me some evidence.

But in the same you can't prove what happened before the Big Bang Thoery . Like I said its like the chicken and the egg . And that was the point I made first . I have nothing to prove Go back and check the thread Reyre Neither of us can prove it one way or the other . Stalemate .
 
ok, for the third time….... i am not trying to prove anything. You believe, i do not. you have the burdon of proof. I can not write it any more simply then that. i do not have to prove anything.

i find it bewildering that when someone is questioned on their beliefs and they have no proof of such beliefs, they try to end a conversation. There is no stalemate as you havent even tried to answer any of my questions.

you say in your last response, you cant prove it, so why believe? what has lead you to think there is a god, and what is your definition of said god?

On what logic can you jump from not knowing what happend before the big bang to therfore "god" did it
 
I really don't se what the problem is reyre2000? You don't believe, I do. Live and let live, man.
 
Why don't you try praying and asking God to prove his existence, then wait and see what happens :wink:
Flippedly God Knows Ok He seen that scam before

Sorry Happy, you've lost me there. I can be a bit thick sometimes, especially after days like today :laughing:
Yeah Flippedly What I meant was that God isn't probably likely to reveal his existance to a someone that does not believe in him

All too convenient
 
@reyre2000 said:
Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

Well prove that he/she/it doesn't exist. Alt his talk about proving whether a god exists. It's just as easy to say prove to me that he doesn't. No one can do that.

It's historical fact that there was a man who was named Jesus, there was even a man named Mohammad, that lived on this world and did amazing things. The bible is after all an historical Book. The bible is written text, just like the Koran, just like egyptian hieroglyphics. That's how things were document about the people who lived then and what was going on.

Who cares whether there is a god or not. I don't get why people need to be proven there is something that created it all, the real point of religion is how to treat one another, live a just life and guide you in times of need. If people say they don't have a religion because they don't believe in god, i think are missing the point of religion entirely.IMO.

It doesn't matter which religion you believe in, but you have to believe in something.
 
Why don't you try praying and asking God to prove his existence, then wait and see what happens :wink:
Flippedly God Knows Ok He seen that scam before

Sorry Happy, you've lost me there. I can be a bit thick sometimes, especially after days like today :laughing:
Yeah Flippedly What I meant was that God isn't probably likely to reveal his existance to a someone that does not believe in him

Ah! now I see what you mean. I was more of the opinion that, underneath it all, our friend would really like to believe, and I think that God _would_ respond to a soul who is truly seeking.
 
@Flippedy said:
Why don't you try praying and asking God to prove his existence, then wait and see what happens :wink:

Flippedly God Knows Ok He seen that scam before

Sorry Happy, you've lost me there. I can be a bit thick sometimes, especially after days like today :laughing:
Yeah Flippedly What I meant was that God isn't probably likely to reveal his existance to a someone that does not believe in him

Ah! now I see what you mean. I was more of the opinion that, underneath it all, our friend would really like to believe, and I think that God _would_ respond to a soul who is truly seeking.
You've got to seek for the right reasons Flippedly .
 
@reyre2000 said:
ok, for the third time….... i am not trying to prove anything. You believe, i do not. you have the burdon of proof. I can not write it any more simply then that. i do not have to prove anything.

i find it bewildering that when someone is questioned on their beliefs and they have no proof of such beliefs, they try to end a conversation. There is no stalemate as you havent even tried to answer any of my questions.

you say in your last response, you cant prove it, so why believe? what has lead you to think there is a god, and what is your definition of said god?

On what logic can you jump from not knowing what happend before the big bang to therfore "god" did it

And how did you answer my original question Reyre By answering what happened after Big Bang . Not pre Big Bang . I will say it again I can't prove it . And you can't answer my original question . But I 'm not prepared to have more core believes and values mocked .Its a little different than having your believes of whether Tim sheens is a good coach or Rob Lui a good fullback . I'm not your ideal crash test dummy because I am not the typical Catholic , Buddhist Jew etc .
 
@Adman said:
@reyre2000 said:
Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

Well prove that he/she/it doesn't exist. Alt his talk about proving whether a god exists. It's just as easy to say prove to me that he doesn't. No one can do that.

It's historical fact that there was a man who was named Jesus, there was even a man named Mohammad, that lived on this world and did amazing things. The bible is after all an historical Book. The bible is written text, just like the Koran, just like egyptian hieroglyphics. That's how things were document about the people who lived then and what was going on.

Who cares whether there is a god or not. I don't get why people need to be proven there is something that created it all, the real point of religion is how to treat one another, live a just life and guide you in times of need. If people say they don't have a religion because they don't believe in god, i think are missing the point of religion entirely.IMO.

It doesn't matter which religion you believe in, but you have to believe in something.

My point exactly religion is not about proving there was a Creator it is about being good to your fellow man
 
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