Golden Point

Apart from symmetry and OCD you probably could have some games where three points were awarded instead of 2, lots of comps award bonus points for certain outcomes and the world hasn't ended.

Having said that, I like the idea posted by @mike the best. All games worth 4 points. In GP it is split 3/1\. In draws 2/2\. Normal games 4/0\.

It is a reduced reward, but still some recognition that you were good enough to draw.

The only other alternative that I like is golden try, then a draw. The risk here is that coaches tell their players to slow down the ruck, so any infringement would have to result in a sin binning.

It looks like an easy problem to fix but when you start looking at the details… stick to a draw!
 
Normal premiership games should stay as a draw imo.

Why should losers get anything in GP - they were not good enough.
 
Assuming you're replying to me ?

What i suggested is rewarding a team for being tied after 80 minutes, by giving each team one point.

That's not the same thing as a team that has lost after 80 minutes.

I think the suggestion is a happy compromise between scrapping Golden Point (which aint happening), and keeping it as it is (which most fans apparently don't want).
 
To all those who want 2 points for a win and 1 point for a loss in GP.

Each match needs to be worth the same number of points. If you have some matches worth 2 points and golden point games worth 3 points then this is a problem. It would be way to easy to manipulate this. That’s why, if you change the system then each match needs to be worth 4 points. All matches need to be worth the same number of points period. If you don’t get this then the discussion is mute.
 
Another solution could be all matches are worth 3..2 points for a win 1 point for a loss whether Golden point or regular time..but what to do if scores are level at the end of Golden Point..?

The 3 points for GP games has been put forward to the rules committee in previous seasons and rejected as it rewards losing..
 
Just make it golden try. Rewards good football and there would end up being more draws anyway as a try is more difficult than a drop goal
 
@Tiger_Steve If you have to have GP then I agree 100%. GP then remains Rugby League and not a field-goal-a-thon.
 
Yeah I’m making the assumption that there must be extra time.my personal preference is after 80 minutes we all go home.
I actually think there is a player welfare issue in all this. That extra 10 minutes causes tremendous fatigue to the point players/teams sometimes don’t recover sufficiently for the next game.
 
Golden Point is boring, it changes the way the game was played for the previous 80min.

If they were to keep GP for next year, then the points system must be changed to that similar to the NHL.
3 points for win in regular time.
1 point each if it goes to GP, with the winner in GP gaining an additional 1 point. If no result comes at the end of GP then it stays at 1 point each.

It should be golden try or penalty goal kick. (do drop kicks). This ensures they play for a try and don't deliberately give away penalties to prevent tries.
 
Yep. Give each team 1 point for drawing after 80 minutes.

Then an additional point is up for grabs in Golden Point.
 
Why does each match need to be worth the same number of points?

You stated it, but didnt explain why? What would happen if they are not? How can you manipulate anything under that system, that you couldn't do under the current system?

I'm genuinely keen to have this explained to me.
 
It doesn't work because you are making some matches "more valuable" than others and you are giving points to losers that no other regular match is allocated.

It's not about the winners being equal, it's about introducing a variable number of points for losers into the table system.

For example, imagine an unusual but not impossible situation where Tigers lose 6 matches in golden point in one 24-round season.

They finish with 12 wins, 6 regular losses and 6 GP losses, total 30 points. If you add 2 byes to allow comparison to previous seasons, that's 34 total points which puts you, in the last 10 seasons (some of these places are shared): 1st, 5th, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 5th, 4th, 2nd.

That's a 50% win rate and the team typically ends up in the middle of the Top 8\.

Then you have an opponent who wins 14, loses 10 regular games (plus two byes) and they finish behind you on 32 points. How is that reasonable? Or they win 15 matches, 3 more than you, but are behind you on differential

But then take that to the extreme, imagine a side that loses all 24 matches in golden point and they finish the season with 28 points (including 2 byes), which is still often enough points to make the Top 8\. How can you have a side finishing in the finals without winning a single match?

Or alternatively, imagine two sides - one that wins 12 matches and loses the other 12 in GP (no byes), total 36 premiership points. Then another side that wins 17 matches and loses 7 in regular time (34 points) - and they finish behind a side that has 5 less wins than they do.

You can't have a moving boundary for how many total points a season (or a round) might contain. It skews the table results because all matches are not equal. And in a competition of a modest number of rounds, this is emphasised because so many teams finish near each other on total points.

If your system of 2-1 was added to last week (i.e. Round 4), that Round would have been worth 19 total points (3 GP matches) compared with the normal 16 points - you cannot have this.

Imagine missing the finals because you were pipped by a team that had more losses than you, but they were GP losses.

And as briefly mentioned before, there's also the potential collusion issue, where clubs might "let" a team take the match to GP so that they aren't necessarily losing the game, but can influence other outcomes by allowing extra time.

Lastly there's the impact on the actual football - do teams suddenly become conservative if it's all locked at 75 minutes? E.g. they might stop shooting for late FGs inside 80 mins and instead kick chase or die with the footy on 5th, because dead missed FG are now worth 7 tackles and perhaps you prefer to take the 1 point definitely than risk losing all 2?
 
Now that the 7 tackle set has been brought up, that rule, or at least it's current iteration, should go as well.
 
What id do is introduce golden try. Teams can still kick a field goal, but it won’t end the match. If they kick a field and hold that lead till the end of GP they win. The only way the match would end is with a try.
 
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