Great article re Roosters Salary Cap

[PrattenParkMagpie]

The NRL won’t be around in 15 years as a major competition. It won’t last it’s the most imbalanced competition that has a salary cap I can think of in terms of talent distribution.

I agreed with you until this part. EPL and NFL have a salary cap technically and they aren't balanced at all.

AFL isnt balanced, you have the same super clubs around the top.

If St George winning 11 straight didn't kill rugby league, a few years of Roosters will not.


AFL have had four different clubs win the GF in the past 5 years. They have clubs who are strong for four years than dip, like Hawthorn and Brisbane. In the NRL we have the Chooks and Storm every year

roosters have been strong, but as well as having more premierships than us, they also have won the wooden spoon more times than us in our merged history.....


They have never won the wooden spoon under Politis' watch. If i am correct the Roosters most recent wooden was around 1967 when I think they failed to win a match all season.

2009 the last time and 1966 the time before that.

His company has sponsored Easts ( Roosters ) since 1976.

Politis has been chairman since 1993.

1st club to actually have sponsorship listed on their jerseys from memory as well

Yep, and even that sponsorship was Politis with his car dealership City Ford.

 

[kiwitiger]

Most TPAs In the game are not truly at arms length per se, so by the letter of the law are not true TPAs.
The Roosters abuse the liberal-ness of this and get away with it, while other clubs get fined for breaches.
The Roosters brazenness is not even subtle anymore. The Roosters recruit the best players every year. Their roster is already far far superior. An obvious red flag for anyone at NRL.

The running joke of the sombrero is not even funny anymore. The joke is on us.

Obviously this abuse has ruined the competitiveness of NRL - exactly what the salary cap was meant to ensure - and supporters are leaving in droves.
It’s not good for the game.

There is no way that the NRL aren’t acutely aware of this and the Roosters TPA abuses.

Hence, there is only one possible explanation that could explain why; if the power brokers running the game know about it and do nothing, even to the detriment of the game itself.
Money.
They must be in on it.

Maybe one day we’ll hear the truth and maybe one day it will all be cleaned up, but until then I just wish we got smarter and it was us exploiting the system and buying the players (and everyone else).

Disagree about the nrl being on in it. They have to be able to prove it. Until someone provides evidence they can do diddle. After the storm, no one will ever be stupid enough to run two sets of books. As long as everyone sticks to handshake deals it's impossible to prove. If all relevant tax is paid no one will care.

 

[Newtown]

If things don’t change rugby league looks like it will slowly slip down the sports popularity list in Sydney. Its a shame that the commission don’t even acknowledge a problem that everyone can see.

Congratulations to the journalist for writing it. I hope it sparks some action, but I won’t be holding my breath

I hope he hasn't been sacked.

 

[OzLuke]

Most TPAs In the game are not truly at arms length per se, so by the letter of the law are not true TPAs.
The Roosters abuse the liberal-ness of this and get away with it, while other clubs get fined for breaches.
The Roosters brazenness is not even subtle anymore. The Roosters recruit the best players every year. Their roster is already far far superior. An obvious red flag for anyone at NRL.

The running joke of the sombrero is not even funny anymore. The joke is on us.

Obviously this abuse has ruined the competitiveness of NRL - exactly what the salary cap was meant to ensure - and supporters are leaving in droves.
It’s not good for the game.

There is no way that the NRL aren’t acutely aware of this and the Roosters TPA abuses.

Hence, there is only one possible explanation that could explain why; if the power brokers running the game know about it and do nothing, even to the detriment of the game itself.
Money.
They must be in on it.

Maybe one day we’ll hear the truth and maybe one day it will all be cleaned up, but until then I just wish we got smarter and it was us exploiting the system and buying the players (and everyone else).

Disagree about the nrl being on in it. They have to be able to prove it. Until someone provides evidence they can do diddle. After the storm, no one will ever be stupid enough to run two sets of books. As long as everyone sticks to handshake deals it's impossible to prove. If all relevant tax is paid no one will care.

you look at whenever they have a powerbrokers meeting as to how to push the game forward, you get your Goulds and bennets. but you also get politis thrown in as well...that doesn't sit well with me.

I do believe the other two have the game's best interests at heart, but politis only wants it for his own grubby agenda

 

[JD Tiger]

@OzLuke Gould is not in it for rugby league either. He's in it for his own interests. He will happily make decisions which are to the detriment of rugby league to suit what he wants. I remember him talking up Thurston big time as a commentator, almost worshipping the ground he walked on, when Penrith had an offer out for JT. He certainly comes with strings attached.

That being said, I would rather his strings then Politis or most others, as at least his rugby league acumen is great, and if he had it working for our team, it would do wonders.

 

[Tigerlily]


 

[newtiger]

@OzLuke Gould is not in it for rugby league either. He's in it for his own interests. He will happily make decisions which are to the detriment of rugby league to suit what he wants. I remember him talking up Thurston big time as a commentator, almost worshipping the ground he walked on, when Penrith had an offer out for JT. He certainly comes with strings attached.

That being said, I would rather his strings then Politis or most others, as at least his rugby league acumen is great, and if he had it working for our team, it would do wonders.

Gould still dances to Politis tune, whatever Nick says Phil agrees with, old buddies from his days at the Rorters.

 

[happy_tiger]

The NRL won’t be around in 15 years as a major competition. It won’t last it’s the most imbalanced competition that has a salary cap I can think of in terms of talent distribution.

I agreed with you until this part. EPL and NFL have a salary cap technically and they aren't balanced at all.

AFL isnt balanced, you have the same super clubs around the top.

If St George winning 11 straight didn't kill rugby league, a few years of Roosters will not.


AFL have had four different clubs win the GF in the past 5 years. They have clubs who are strong for four years than dip, like Hawthorn and Brisbane. In the NRL we have the Chooks and Storm every year

roosters have been strong, but as well as having more premierships than us, they also have won the wooden spoon more times than us in our merged history.....


They have never won the wooden spoon under Politis' watch. If i am correct the Roosters most recent wooden was around 1967 when I think they failed to win a match all season.

2009 the last time and 1966 the time before that.

His company has sponsored Easts ( Roosters ) since 1976.

Politis has been chairman since 1993.

1st club to actually have sponsorship listed on their jerseys from memory as well

They've always been smart.

Unfortunately something we can rarely be accused of

 

[Fraze23]

Vlandys will be the best thing that’s hit the NRL

Just read in The Australian that V'Landys is from the same Greek island as Politis and that Politis supported him for the job - although they don't know each other well.

Greenburg may have something to watch out for, but I'm not sure the Chooks will.

I like everyone who comes from where I come from.

Are you from Kythera as well Jirskyr

My Mrs's family are all from Kythera .....beautiful place .....part own a place there now (about a 3.6% share lol )

I've got some friends from Kythera. Spent some time there last Summer in their family home. A lovely part of the world!

 

[happy_tiger]

Vlandys will be the best thing that’s hit the NRL

Just read in The Australian that V'Landys is from the same Greek island as Politis and that Politis supported him for the job - although they don't know each other well.

Greenburg may have something to watch out for, but I'm not sure the Chooks will.

I like everyone who comes from where I come from.

Are you from Kythera as well Jirskyr

My Mrs's family are all from Kythera .....beautiful place .....part own a place there now (about a 3.6% share lol )

I've got some friends from Kythera. Spent some time there last Summer in their family home. A lovely part of the world!

Actually more people from Kythera live in Australia now than actually live on Kythera

 

[Furious1]

Well, last year Nick payed for a holiday for all the lads to go to Vegas. I wonder what the destination is this year.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Well, last year Nick payed for a holiday for all the lads to go to Vegas. I wonder what the destination is this year.

One way tickets to Siberia, hopefully.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Most TPAs In the game are not truly at arms length per se, so by the letter of the law are not true TPAs.
The Roosters abuse the liberal-ness of this and get away with it, while other clubs get fined for breaches.
The Roosters brazenness is not even subtle anymore. The Roosters recruit the best players every year. Their roster is already far far superior. An obvious red flag for anyone at NRL.

The running joke of the sombrero is not even funny anymore. The joke is on us.

Obviously this abuse has ruined the competitiveness of NRL - exactly what the salary cap was meant to ensure - and supporters are leaving in droves.
It’s not good for the game.

There is no way that the NRL aren’t acutely aware of this and the Roosters TPA abuses.

Hence, there is only one possible explanation that could explain why; if the power brokers running the game know about it and do nothing, even to the detriment of the game itself.
Money.
They must be in on it.

Maybe one day we’ll hear the truth and maybe one day it will all be cleaned up, but until then I just wish we got smarter and it was us exploiting the system and buying the players (and everyone else).

Uncle Nick, the Roosters and all the supporting people around them are like the Rugby League mafia!
Imagine if someone who is actually ‘clean’ stepped into the top job and exposed the ongoing cap rorting and all the other shady, underhanded deals that have gone on over the years. Then stripped the club of its last 2 Premierships and take $2M of their salary cap for next season. That person would either go missing, take up a higher paid position in another code/state or suddenly pass away from ‘natural’ causes I reckon.

 

[Don Kershane]

I was thinking of writing a limerick about Politis but most of the words that rhyme with Nick wouldn't get past the moderator.

 

[fair dinkum]

Most TPAs In the game are not truly at arms length per se, so by the letter of the law are not true TPAs.
The Roosters abuse the liberal-ness of this and get away with it, while other clubs get fined for breaches.
The Roosters brazenness is not even subtle anymore. The Roosters recruit the best players every year. Their roster is already far far superior. An obvious red flag for anyone at NRL.

The running joke of the sombrero is not even funny anymore. The joke is on us.

Obviously this abuse has ruined the competitiveness of NRL - exactly what the salary cap was meant to ensure - and supporters are leaving in droves.
It’s not good for the game.

There is no way that the NRL aren’t acutely aware of this and the Roosters TPA abuses.

Hence, there is only one possible explanation that could explain why; if the power brokers running the game know about it and do nothing, even to the detriment of the game itself.
Money.
They must be in on it.

Maybe one day we’ll hear the truth and maybe one day it will all be cleaned up, but until then I just wish we got smarter and it was us exploiting the system and buying the players (and everyone else).


Uncle Nick, the Roosters and all the supporting people around them are like the Rugby League mafia!
Imagine if someone who is actually ‘clean’ stepped into the top job and exposed the ongoing cap rorting and all the other shady, underhanded deals that have gone on over the years. Then stripped the club of its last 2 Premierships and take $2M of their salary cap for next season. That person would either go missing, take up a higher paid position in another code/state or suddenly pass away from ‘natural’ causes I reckon.

They would be Clintoncided.

2 in the back of the head, found to be suicide.

 

[jirskyr]

Not sure of the point you are making. Perhaps you are being ironic ?

Sarcastic yes, to an earlier point being made that V'Landys and Politis are originally from the same Greek island, therefore would be pals or in cahoots or some such.

Your points here are valid enough - that V'Landys will probably not go after Roosters any more than anyone else at the NRL can, because there is a reason why the Roosters are getting away with it year on year.

And it's not just power-broking; I don't truly believe that anyone at the NRL wants an ongoing Roosters dynasty, because it turns fans away, but simply because nobody has found a way to catch the Roosters or find a whistle-blower.

HOWEVER, it does appear that clubs rorting the cap are eventually caught, through some slip up or slip of the tongue. Just a matter of time when rorting occurs at an organisational level.

 

[Don Kershane]

Roosters TPAs appear to rely on agents, club and players trusting each other and keeping arrangements verbal. Maybe they picked Matterson to be a loose cannon and were happy to keep him in the dark and move him on.

 

[JD Tiger]

@Don_Kershane I suspected that too with Matterson and Roosters. If he broke a contract early at another club (was it Eels?) then maybe they thought they'd give him a go, but decided to keep him at an arm's length "out of the family business" until they were sure. Seems like they were right to move him on.

 

[Fitzy05]


 

[OzLuke]

Most TPAs In the game are not truly at arms length per se, so by the letter of the law are not true TPAs.
The Roosters abuse the liberal-ness of this and get away with it, while other clubs get fined for breaches.
The Roosters brazenness is not even subtle anymore. The Roosters recruit the best players every year. Their roster is already far far superior. An obvious red flag for anyone at NRL.

The running joke of the sombrero is not even funny anymore. The joke is on us.

Obviously this abuse has ruined the competitiveness of NRL - exactly what the salary cap was meant to ensure - and supporters are leaving in droves.
It’s not good for the game.

There is no way that the NRL aren’t acutely aware of this and the Roosters TPA abuses.

Hence, there is only one possible explanation that could explain why; if the power brokers running the game know about it and do nothing, even to the detriment of the game itself.
Money.
They must be in on it.

Maybe one day we’ll hear the truth and maybe one day it will all be cleaned up, but until then I just wish we got smarter and it was us exploiting the system and buying the players (and everyone else).


Uncle Nick, the Roosters and all the supporting people around them are like the Rugby League mafia!
Imagine if someone who is actually ‘clean’ stepped into the top job and exposed the ongoing cap rorting and all the other shady, underhanded deals that have gone on over the years. Then stripped the club of its last 2 Premierships and take $2M of their salary cap for next season. That person would either go missing, take up a higher paid position in another code/state or suddenly pass away from ‘natural’ causes I reckon.

They would be Clintoncided.

2 in the back of the head, found to be suicide.

it's amazing how people can strangle themselves with their own bare hands.....