GREENBERG GONE.....

[GNR4LIFE]

Did anyone hear the numbers on Fox tonight ..the EPL has 170 in it's Head Offiice ..... the NRL 470

Paul White will save the NRL... Well, that's what news ltd will start pushing out soon.

The Big Show?

 

[happy_tiger]

What I didn't like was Bwaif's obvious agenda against Shane Richardson ....I'm not saying that he should be the next CEO by all means

What Bwaiff did last night would be similar to one of the current hosts of the shows pointing out Bwaiffs 1 run for 2 metres in a WT's jersey on air when questioned about the hosts thoughts on him as a commentator

 

[mike]

What I didn't like was Bwaif's obvious agenda against Shane Richardson ....I'm not saying that he should be the next CEO by all means

What Bwaiff did last night would be similar to one of the current hosts of the shows pointing out Bwaiffs 1 run for 2 metres in a WT's jersey on air when questioned about the hosts thoughts on him as a commentator

It’s about what you would expect from Bwaiff. That’s the sort of tool he is.

 

[Geo]

Bwaiffs 1 run for 2 metres

1 run 0m..

 

[happy_tiger]

Bwaiffs 1 run for 2 metres

1 run 0m..

Well that game as well ...pretty sure he had a 1 run for 7 metres as well

 

[JC99]

I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

 

[JC99]

Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

 

[happy_tiger]

Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

Can I ask how you know the deal will be worth significantly less ......

Maybe the NRL is looking in a new direction and creating it's own broadcasting

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

People (ftb) Should be careful throwing out malicious/legal accusations

Legal accusations?

Don't play dumb... Accusations of fraud & theft

I've seen forilums shut down for less before... This isn't my go but when I see stupid posts like yours the damage can be irepairable

?Opinions?

Still accusatory FTB, and can land the forum in hot water, hence why they were deleted.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

Can I ask how you know the deal will be worth significantly less ......

Maybe the NRL is looking in a new direction and creating it's own broadcasting

Don't know how they'll do that with no money.

 

[Geo]

I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

It's been answered a few times..but here goes again Committee's after Committee's to over see elements of the game that could be done by 1 person ..Refs, Bunker, Judiciary, Rules, Whole of Game, amount of air in ball etc etc..seeing a front office of 470 staff when one of biggest sporting organisations in the World EPL has about 170..

Holding off on paying into the players superannuation for 3 years leaving the NRL a debt that there was no need for as if you believe the NRL was making money in those years..

Crystal Balls and diamond rings for Mr and Mrs Cammy... testimonial games for a bloke who is still playing 2 years later..yet others nothing..

Personal References for some not others..

Fair but not equal in his opinion in relation to the No fault Stand down rule that was rushed through in a reactionary fashion rather than pro-active..

 

[happy_tiger]

Bwaiffs 1 run for 2 metres

1 run 0m..

I know we all bag Bwaiff ...but he lets his agendas get in the way of the half decent opinion's he has

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

PVL has played his hand well given the cards he's been dealt. The NRL is currently in a financial mess, the have no income with the restrictions in place due to CV19 and like every other business still has bills to pay, so he's not in a position to play hardball and walk away from any deals that will at least guarantee income.

The next broadcast deal is not tethered to what is happening now either. Just because he's appeasing broadcasters at the minute when he needs their dollar does not mean that it will be repeated at the negotiation table for the next deal.

 

[Russell]

I'm pretty open to a CEO, as Hap said "whoever gets the role can’t have had a previous agenda within the NRL …we need someone from behind the scenes with business nous and footy sense."

However, please, NO to Richardson and White - those two, would be worse than who they would be replacing.

This is the NRL's big chance to get it right, V'landys is no mug - I am hoping he can steer the ship to a position it is the "Greatest Game of All" - ON the field and OFF the field.

 

[diedpretty]

I just hope the NRL think long and hard before appointing Toddy's successor. Guys like Crowe pushing his own barrow and suggesting Richardson should be thrown out the door. Paul White is another - as if Brisbane isn't favoured enough as it is. Its a worry that guys like Crowe and no doubt Politis and probably 9 and Foxtel think its ok to be in Vlandys and the Commissions ear about who should get the job. The constant meddling by influential and powerful stakeholders is whats wrong with game.

 

[jadtiger]

I couldnt agree more Richardson would be a disaster and would only continue the leg ups for souffs White would be the same for the donkeys.It has to be someone from outside the game with zero club affiliations or we are back to square one

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm pretty open to a CEO, as Hap said "whoever gets the role can’t have had a previous agenda within the NRL …we need someone from behind the scenes with business nous and footy sense."

However, please, NO to Richardson and White - those two, would be worse than who they would be replacing.

This is the NRL's big chance to get it right, V'landys is no mug - I am hoping he can steer the ship to a position it is the "Greatest Game of All" - ON the field and OFF the field.

having said that we need to steer clear of a David Smith type who knows nothing of our game ....it isn't going to be easy finding the right person ..but neither should it be finding someone to lead our great game into it's most important years

 

[Russell]

Channel 9 should be put in its place by V'landys - they have far too much influence.

I think the NRL should be ready to organise a broadcast deals for 1 year at a time, when they are due, until the NRL are in a stronger position to organise their own broadcasts (V'landys alluded to doing this at the beginning of his appointment). Would not be good to lock themselves in for a long period to 9 or any other channel.

Agree again Hap - An exceptional administrator with footy knowledge - no need to rush - I am sure the two at the head can carry the can till the right appointment can be made.

 

[JC99]

Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

PVL has played his hand well given the cards he's been dealt. The NRL is currently in a financial mess, the have no income with the restrictions in place due to CV19 and like every other business still has bills to pay, so he's not in a position to play hardball and walk away from any deals that will at least guarantee income.

The next broadcast deal is not tethered to what is happening now either. Just because he's appeasing broadcasters at the minute when he needs their dollar does not mean that it will be repeated at the negotiation table for the next deal.

The issue is that it’s a five year deal. In five years time they’ll be making less money than they should be because they agreed to a reduce cost because of the virus.

Channel 9 can’t afford to lose the footy it’s one of their biggest money makers, PV definitely had some room to bargain

Plus there’s still two and a half years left on the current deal, no need to make a new deal PLUS he didn’t even talk to any other broadcasters. He did whatever channel 9 asked, and that’s a scary prospect

 

[JC99]

Channel 9 should be put in its place by V'landys - they have far too much influence.

I think the NRL should be ready to organise a broadcast deals for 1 year at a time, when they are due, until the NRL are in a stronger position to organise their own broadcasts (V'landys alluded to doing this at the beginning of his appointment). Would not be good to lock themselves in for a long period to 9 or any other channel.

Agree again Hap - An exceptional administrator with footy knowledge - no need to rush - I am sure the two at the head can carry the can till the right appointment can be made.

Agree mate it should be a short term deal for now. Channel 9 and Fox will be reaping the benefits of a reduced deal because of the virus in five years from now long after the disease will be history.