GREENBERG GONE.....

@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144933) said:
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144931) said:
@gallagher said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144929) said:
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144917) said:
Fittlers comments just show that he is employed by public enemy number 1 CH 9 and will do whatever they tell him.

Which comments? He seems very pro for the game returning and ch9 seem against it.

He praised Greenberg for his job and said he should "hold his head high"

That seems quite the opposite of the 9 agenda if you read above..about them wanting Todd gone..

Look I reckon if you had half a brain and were currently employed by Ch 9 you'd be trying to distance yourself from 9 .....

Maybe Fittler / Walters don't get paid if SOO doesn't go ahead either ......
 
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144931) said:
@gallagher said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144929) said:
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144917) said:
Fittlers comments just show that he is employed by public enemy number 1 CH 9 and will do whatever they tell him.

Which comments? He seems very pro for the game returning and ch9 seem against it.

He praised Greenberg for his job and said he should "hold his head high"

Why would ch9 want him to say that? I think that's just his opinion.
 
Freddy is right.... clubs burn money better than anyone and that’s with $13million a year off the NRL
 
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144931) said:
@gallagher said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144929) said:
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144917) said:
Fittlers comments just show that he is employed by public enemy number 1 CH 9 and will do whatever they tell him.

Which comments? He seems very pro for the game returning and ch9 seem against it.

He praised Greenberg for his job and said he should "hold his head high"

Freddie has been on one of his infamous benders again if he thinks Greenberg should walk away with his head held high.
He'll probably be found sleeping in the garden outside the police station again in the morning.....
 
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144608) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144601) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144526) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144512) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144510) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144502) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144498) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144491) said:
@cochise said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144490) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144486) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144481) said:
@jirskyr said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144475) said:
I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

It's been answered a few times..but here goes again Committee's after Committee's to over see elements of the game that could be done by 1 person ..Refs, Bunker, Judiciary, Rules, Whole of Game, amount of air in ball etc etc..seeing a front office of 470 staff when one of biggest sporting organisations in the World EPL has about 170..

Holding off on paying into the players superannuation for 3 years leaving the NRL a debt that there was no need for as if you believe the NRL was making money in those years..

Crystal Balls and diamond rings for Mr and Mrs Cammy... testimonial games for a bloke who is still playing 2 years later..yet others nothing..

Personal References for some not others..

Fair but not equal in his opinion in relation to the No fault Stand down rule that was rushed through in a reactionary fashion rather than pro-active..

One more bloody person attempts to defend it

He’s lucky the ring’s weren’t made of corruption. Robbie not getting a testimonial and the treatment of Gal at end of same game was just as distasteful as it was disgraceful.

Regular theme of Greenberg leadership... and anybody saying there wasn’t other internal affairs resulting in his stepping down isn’t privy.
 
@Tigerboy said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145014) said:
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144608) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144601) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144526) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144512) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144510) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144502) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144498) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144491) said:
@cochise said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144490) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144486) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144481) said:
@jirskyr said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144475) said:
I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

It's been answered a few times..but here goes again Committee's after Committee's to over see elements of the game that could be done by 1 person ..Refs, Bunker, Judiciary, Rules, Whole of Game, amount of air in ball etc etc..seeing a front office of 470 staff when one of biggest sporting organisations in the World EPL has about 170..

Holding off on paying into the players superannuation for 3 years leaving the NRL a debt that there was no need for as if you believe the NRL was making money in those years..

Crystal Balls and diamond rings for Mr and Mrs Cammy... testimonial games for a bloke who is still playing 2 years later..yet others nothing..

Personal References for some not others..

Fair but not equal in his opinion in relation to the No fault Stand down rule that was rushed through in a reactionary fashion rather than pro-active..

One more bloody person attempts to defend it

He’s lucky the ring’s weren’t made of corruption. Robbie not getting a testimonial and the treatment of Gal at end of same game was just as distasteful as it was disgraceful.

Regular theme of Greenberg leadership... and anybody saying there wasn’t other internal affairs resulting in his stepping down isn’t privy.

What internal affairs?
 
@cochise said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145043) said:
@Tigerboy said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145014) said:
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144608) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144601) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144526) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144512) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144510) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144502) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144498) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144491) said:
@cochise said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144490) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144486) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144481) said:
@jirskyr said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144475) said:
I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

It's been answered a few times..but here goes again Committee's after Committee's to over see elements of the game that could be done by 1 person ..Refs, Bunker, Judiciary, Rules, Whole of Game, amount of air in ball etc etc..seeing a front office of 470 staff when one of biggest sporting organisations in the World EPL has about 170..

Holding off on paying into the players superannuation for 3 years leaving the NRL a debt that there was no need for as if you believe the NRL was making money in those years..

Crystal Balls and diamond rings for Mr and Mrs Cammy... testimonial games for a bloke who is still playing 2 years later..yet others nothing..

Personal References for some not others..

Fair but not equal in his opinion in relation to the No fault Stand down rule that was rushed through in a reactionary fashion rather than pro-active..

One more bloody person attempts to defend it

He’s lucky the ring’s weren’t made of corruption. Robbie not getting a testimonial and the treatment of Gal at end of same game was just as distasteful as it was disgraceful.

Regular theme of Greenberg leadership... and anybody saying there wasn’t other internal affairs resulting in his stepping down isn’t privy.

What internal affairs?

Umm... the commission .. that didn’t reveal anything publicly, yet encouraged media to toe the hard line. You can’t be that old AND naive?

Any further revelations would’ve done irreparable damage to Todd’s rep I’d say, but in terms of there being more than what’s presented at face value, you can’t argue it! Could’ve been ugly.

Instead we’re ready to go again - no Todd.

Coincidence??
 
@Tigerboy said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145045) said:
@cochise said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145043) said:
@Tigerboy said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145014) said:
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144608) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144601) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144526) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144512) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144510) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144502) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144498) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144491) said:
@cochise said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144490) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144486) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144481) said:
@jirskyr said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144475) said:
I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

It's been answered a few times..but here goes again Committee's after Committee's to over see elements of the game that could be done by 1 person ..Refs, Bunker, Judiciary, Rules, Whole of Game, amount of air in ball etc etc..seeing a front office of 470 staff when one of biggest sporting organisations in the World EPL has about 170..

Holding off on paying into the players superannuation for 3 years leaving the NRL a debt that there was no need for as if you believe the NRL was making money in those years..

Crystal Balls and diamond rings for Mr and Mrs Cammy... testimonial games for a bloke who is still playing 2 years later..yet others nothing..

Personal References for some not others..

Fair but not equal in his opinion in relation to the No fault Stand down rule that was rushed through in a reactionary fashion rather than pro-active..

One more bloody person attempts to defend it

He’s lucky the ring’s weren’t made of corruption. Robbie not getting a testimonial and the treatment of Gal at end of same game was just as distasteful as it was disgraceful.

Regular theme of Greenberg leadership... and anybody saying there wasn’t other internal affairs resulting in his stepping down isn’t privy.

What internal affairs?

Umm... the commission .. that didn’t reveal anything publicly, yet encouraged media to toe the hard line. You can’t be that old AND naive?

Any further revelations would’ve done irreparable damage to Todd’s rep I’d say, but in terms of there being more than what’s presented at face value, you can’t argue it! Could’ve been ugly.

Instead we’re ready to go again - no Todd.

Coincidence??

OK
 
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I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

It's been answered a few times..but here goes again Committee's after Committee's to over see elements of the game that could be done by 1 person ..Refs, Bunker, Judiciary, Rules, Whole of Game, amount of air in ball etc etc..seeing a front office of 470 staff when one of biggest sporting organisations in the World EPL has about 170..

Holding off on paying into the players superannuation for 3 years leaving the NRL a debt that there was no need for as if you believe the NRL was making money in those years..

Crystal Balls and diamond rings for Mr and Mrs Cammy... testimonial games for a bloke who is still playing 2 years later..yet others nothing..

Personal References for some not others..

Fair but not equal in his opinion in relation to the No fault Stand down rule that was rushed through in a reactionary fashion rather than pro-active..

One more bloody person attempts to defend it

He’s lucky the ring’s weren’t made of corruption. Robbie not getting a testimonial and the treatment of Gal at end of same game was just as distasteful as it was disgraceful.

Regular theme of Greenberg leadership... and anybody saying there wasn’t other internal affairs resulting in his stepping down isn’t privy.

What internal affairs?

Umm... the commission .. that didn’t reveal anything publicly, yet encouraged media to toe the hard line. You can’t be that old AND naive?

Any further revelations would’ve done irreparable damage to Todd’s rep I’d say, but in terms of there being more than what’s presented at face value, you can’t argue it! Could’ve been ugly.

Instead we’re ready to go again - no Todd.

Coincidence??

OK

It’s all love, mate... he really did stuff up though
 
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145005) said:
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144931) said:
@gallagher said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144929) said:
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144917) said:
Fittlers comments just show that he is employed by public enemy number 1 CH 9 and will do whatever they tell him.

Which comments? He seems very pro for the game returning and ch9 seem against it.

He praised Greenberg for his job and said he should "hold his head high"

Freddie has been on one of his infamous benders again if he thinks Greenberg should walk away with his head held high.
He'll probably be found sleeping in the garden outside the police station again in the morning.....

Notice Greenberg and Raelene Castle get turfed at the same time.

I think Freddie is wrong. He is dead set wrong in arguing about infection control with Queensland. But as others say that's the SOO money.

Overall no other code is as panic'd as the NRL. No other code is pushing to resume as quickly as the NRL. Would anyone have kept the Clubs from robbing the NRL savings fund? no. But Greenberg was chief, responsible and needs to be held to account.

Moreover Greenberg had the players say "hey, we will have everyone on min wage 110k max" and back of office staff did next to nothing to match (I think I heard 30% off. but no cap at 110K). Yes I know that many may have had their partners/others loose their jobs but heck same with all of us. The players themselves only get a 10 year bite at the cherry while your back of office staff can have a lot longer (and keep their body/career usable post job).
 
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145005) said:
@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144931) said:
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@jadtiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144917) said:
Fittlers comments just show that he is employed by public enemy number 1 CH 9 and will do whatever they tell him.

Which comments? He seems very pro for the game returning and ch9 seem against it.

He praised Greenberg for his job and said he should "hold his head high"

Freddie has been on one of his infamous benders again if he thinks Greenberg should walk away with his head held high.
He'll probably be found sleeping in the garden outside the police station again in the morning.....

Harsh mate ...that's his home now
 
@gallagher said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145297) said:
That's an obscene salary.


IMO its too cheap. Greenberg is totally the wrong guy to receive it, but the CEO of the NRL should be getting more than Greenberg was getting, but the CEO of the NRL should also earn that and be worth that.

That was always the problem when they appointed Greenberg. He had no qualifications or experience and the NRL shopped in the bargain bin hopeing to get value. They didnt. I hope they dont make the same mistake again.

Not sure Im explaining myself properly. The CEO of theNRL should be getting more than Greenberg was receiving, but there is no one within RL worthy of that money.
 
@Red88_Tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145322) said:
I don't get how a ceo can opt to leave a job prior to full term and then still stick their hand out.


Because he didnt leave of his own volition. If he truly left, then yes, no payout but clearly he was told to leave and he could have said "No Ill wait until the end of my contract" and received the same money. V'Landys clearly pushed him and correctly so IMO.
 
@Red88_Tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145322) said:
I don't get how a ceo can opt to leave a job prior to full term and then still stick their hand out.

Probably because he was given 2 options
 
@gallagher said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145297) said:
That's an obscene salary.

To be totally inept at your job and still get paid what he was is an absolute joke. If he was paid on performance he'd should've been earning less than a busker.
 
@happy_tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145333) said:
@Red88_Tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1145322) said:
I don't get how a ceo can opt to leave a job prior to full term and then still stick their hand out.

Probably because he was given 2 options

He deserved nothing less than to be publically sacked. He got to slink away easily IMO.
As long as his name never sullies our game again it has been 100% worth it though. Happy Days Hap!
 
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