Harrigan & Raper Punted

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Bill Harrigan sacked from role as NRL referees coach
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Paul Kent
The Daily Telegraph
October 27, 2012 12:00AM
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GOODBYE Bill, nothing personal.
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Having written about the failings of referee's boss Bill Harrigan for most of this year, about the loss of confidence by the referees under him, the changes to interpretation he introduced without telling the players and coaches, the mistakes the referees were making - Harrigan finally got the bullet yesterday.
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He had to go.
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The fundamental problem with the Bill Harrigan Approach to Modern Refereeing is best illustrated in an exchange this season when a complaint was made, not for the first time, that defending teams were deliberately and continually standing offside.
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"What do you want us to do, blow 100 penalties?" Harrigan asked.
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To which the proper answer should be, if they are standing offside 100 times, yes.
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And if they are standing offside only 99 times, then blow only 99 penalties.
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Bill never quite got that footballers are smart that way. They'll eventually get it.
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Instead, under the Bill Harrigan Approach to Modern Refereeing the intention was always to "manage" the game, not "referee" the game, which was intended to result in far less penalties and a better flowing game.
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Yes, it sounds terrific.
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It has its roots in Harrigan's own elevation to a first grade referee when he drastically cut down on the amount of penalties given in a game, compared to other referees in other games, because he "managed" players instead of penalising them.
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In other words, instead of pinging an outside back for standing offside, Harrigan called him offside and told him to stay out of the play, the player backed off, play went on, and with no breakdown in play we saw a faster and more free-flowing game.
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What Harrigan failed to understand is the game is so much smarter these days.
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Coaches knew as much and so started daring the referees to penalise them.
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They knew if they stood offside 30 times the referees wouldn't penalise them 30 times - who wants the criticism for blowing so many penalties? - and so the game slowed down.
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The wrestle began to dominate.
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The playmakers were nullified.
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Look at when Canterbury beat Manly in the opening week of the finals.
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The Bulldogs stood offside most of the night.
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Geoff Toovey nearly wore through two desks in the coaches box slamming down the headphones every time the Bulldogs got away with being offside.
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Toovey blued later, saying, "I thought we were playing back in the 5m rule."
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Yet not a peep came from Harrigan.
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So the next week Toovey got smart, and when the Sea Eagles went out against North Queensland they played, what else, five metre football. They could have shaken hands with Johnathan Thurston on most plays.
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Neil Henry later gave Harrigan eagle cam vision that showed the Sea Eagles standing offside 24 times that night. Manly got penalised five times.
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Why do we care? Because in the Cowboys is the best playmaker in the world.
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When Thurston gets the ball and looks up - and the first thing he sees is several defenders standing offside, he knows he can't go to those plays he has called but instead has to play an inside ball, or some other play. It cuts down his options and limits the football that can be played.
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They are taking the football out of our football and nobody is doing a damn thing about it.
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Harrigan should have addressed it.
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He didn't. Henry didn't blue about it because he is not that style of coach.
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But why couldn't Harrigan recognise it?
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He was either unable - or unwilling - to address the greatest issue in the modern game.
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Defending teams are increasingly employing illegal tactics without fear of penalty, taking the football out of the game, because the referees' priorities are wrong.
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The rules are there to penalise offside defensive lines, or markers that float, or the all-too-common nine-second play-the-balls because the teams are taught to wrestle and slow it all down.
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Harrigan came under extreme pressure early this season when Bob Fulton , Wayne Bennett and Chris Anderson all labelled the game boring and highlighted how the wrestle was killing the contest.
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A quiet word arrived in Harrigan's ear and for the next two weeks stalling plays were targeted and the game opened up tremendously.
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It looked like a win.
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But then, spurred by no urgency to continue, the referees dropped off again, the game went back to the same old ways, and by the end of the season the two teams that emerged on top of the ladder and went through to fight out the grand final were the two teams that wrestled best.

This bloke says it best
 
@weststigers4life said:
@happy tiger said:
Nothing will change unless we make clear cut changes to the rules that make things as black and white (and gold) as possible

Spot on, when some decisions are left up to an officials interpretation, you will never get consistent decisions. I would also like to see one ref, referee the whole game with the pocket ref only controlling the 10 meters. You are the weakest link, Good Bye Harrigan…

Problem is the interpretations that they have now to operate under to try and achieve consistency results in them getting calls consistently wrong. They need to fix the grounding rule (make control necessary), and fix the obstruction rule (run behind a decoy=penalty, decoy running into a defender=penalty).

I would cop a bit of inconsistency on the grounding rule to stop awarding guys a try when they drop it over the line (which has been the norm for a few years). The only consistency that achieved is they got the calls consistently wrong.
 
@LARDS said:
Bill Harrigan sacked from role as NRL referees coach
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Paul Kent
The Daily Telegraph
October 27, 2012 12:00AM
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GOODBYE Bill, nothing personal.
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Having written about the failings of referee's boss Bill Harrigan for most of this year, about the loss of confidence by the referees under him, the changes to interpretation he introduced without telling the players and coaches, the mistakes the referees were making - Harrigan finally got the bullet yesterday.
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He had to go.
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The fundamental problem with the Bill Harrigan Approach to Modern Refereeing is best illustrated in an exchange this season when a complaint was made, not for the first time, that defending teams were deliberately and continually standing offside.
>
"What do you want us to do, blow 100 penalties?" Harrigan asked.
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To which the proper answer should be, if they are standing offside 100 times, yes.
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And if they are standing offside only 99 times, then blow only 99 penalties.
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Bill never quite got that footballers are smart that way. They'll eventually get it.
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**Instead, under the Bill Harrigan Approach to Modern Refereeing the intention was always to "manage" the game, not "referee" the game**, which was intended to result in far less penalties and a better flowing game.
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Yes, it sounds terrific.
>
It has its roots in Harrigan's own elevation to a first grade referee when he drastically cut down on the amount of penalties given in a game, compared to other referees in other games, because he "managed" players instead of penalising them.
>
In other words, instead of pinging an outside back for standing offside, Harrigan called him offside and told him to stay out of the play, the player backed off, play went on, and with no breakdown in play we saw a faster and more free-flowing game.
>
What Harrigan failed to understand is the game is so much smarter these days.
>
Coaches knew as much and so started daring the referees to penalise them.
>
They knew if they stood offside 30 times the referees wouldn't penalise them 30 times - who wants the criticism for blowing so many penalties? - and so the game slowed down.
>
The wrestle began to dominate.
>
The playmakers were nullified.
>
Look at when Canterbury beat Manly in the opening week of the finals.
>
The Bulldogs stood offside most of the night.
>
Geoff Toovey nearly wore through two desks in the coaches box slamming down the headphones every time the Bulldogs got away with being offside.
>
Toovey blued later, saying, "I thought we were playing back in the 5m rule."
>
Yet not a peep came from Harrigan.
>
So the next week Toovey got smart, and when the Sea Eagles went out against North Queensland they played, what else, five metre football. They could have shaken hands with Johnathan Thurston on most plays.
>
Neil Henry later gave Harrigan eagle cam vision that showed the Sea Eagles standing offside 24 times that night. Manly got penalised five times.
>
Why do we care? Because in the Cowboys is the best playmaker in the world.
>
When Thurston gets the ball and looks up - and the first thing he sees is several defenders standing offside, he knows he can't go to those plays he has called but instead has to play an inside ball, or some other play. It cuts down his options and limits the football that can be played.
>
They are taking the football out of our football and nobody is doing a damn thing about it.
>
Harrigan should have addressed it.
>
He didn't. Henry didn't blue about it because he is not that style of coach.
>
But why couldn't Harrigan recognise it?
>
He was either unable - or unwilling - to address the greatest issue in the modern game.
>
Defending teams are increasingly employing illegal tactics without fear of penalty, taking the football out of the game, because the referees' priorities are wrong.
>
The rules are there to penalise offside defensive lines, or markers that float, or the all-too-common nine-second play-the-balls because the teams are taught to wrestle and slow it all down.
>
Harrigan came under extreme pressure early this season when Bob Fulton , Wayne Bennett and Chris Anderson all labelled the game boring and highlighted how the wrestle was killing the contest.
>
A quiet word arrived in Harrigan's ear and for the next two weeks stalling plays were targeted and the game opened up tremendously.
>
It looked like a win.
>
But then, spurred by no urgency to continue, the referees dropped off again, the game went back to the same old ways, and by the end of the season the two teams that emerged on top of the ladder and went through to fight out the grand final were the two teams that wrestled best.

This bloke says it best

And it was this bloody pathetic way of interpreting the rules that made this knobhead penalize Bruce Maguire for not playing "in the spirit of the game" in the 89 GF when he used a player that was metres offside as a shepherd. In the 25 or so years that I have followed the game it is the worst decision I have ever seen, I think young Billy might have been on the take for that game, just like the referee's of old that I have read about.

The game this year is as corrupt and dodgy as I have ever seen it….plenty of games have looked to have been fixed IMO (the Dogs getting absolutely pummelled by the Raiders was as big of a rort as you would ever see). No surprise to see ol' Billy at the helm to oversee all of this, he is as rotten as week-old steak. Good riddance you seedy tosser, the game will prosper without your wisdom
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
Did anyone else at first glance read this thread title as "Harrigan Raped & Punted?"

The list of culprits would be long and distinguished CB if so

Probably starting with Tallis
 
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