Harry Triguboff Wests Tigers Savior?

[balmain boy]

Interesting development at St George Illawarra re: private ownership…
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/st-george-illawarra-put-10-million-price-tag-on-50-per-cent-share-of-club-20151209-glj4mc.html

I assume Wests Ashfield (Magpies) will buyout non-financial Balmain Tigers 50 percent stake early next year & take full control over some of the Balmain Tigers junior district clubs.

What happens after West Tigers NRL licence agreement expires in a few years will probably determine if some of us forum punters still have a club to follow. This forum name will need to be changed or shutdown.

How do you work out that Wests Ashfield will take full control of Balmain Juniors. That is not up for grabs. If they buy 50% - they get the other half of Wests Tigers - not the Balmain Juniors.

Why also will the Forum need a new name? Why would it need to shut down?

Looks like the "Balmain Tigers" will be officially dead & buried after March 31, 2016\. Notwithstanding NRL approval Wests Magpies Ashfield will take over everything formerly run by the Balmain Tigers.

What on earth are you on about. An organisations ability to contribute millions to be part of a joint venture is one thing, their ability to look after the local community is a much different proposition. Look at the Jets, Bears etc.

Not being directly in the NRL doesn't equate to not existing at all…

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

 

[balmain boy]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

No idea.

We have 2 smaller clubs and have managed to pay for our juniors thus far despite not having a primary leagues club. We still have local league sponsors etc too. None of that is changing. The only thing which is potentially changing is the participation in a joint venture.

Once again, not participating in a jv doesn't mean you cease to exist, but yes of course there would be ongoing financial issues.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant agenda.

 

[Geo]

spot on mate.
this one is actually quite a big deal.
people want to scoff at it etc but in reality it does seem very much a case whereby Wests / magpies will buy out the partnership should Balmain not be able to pay their debt.
At this stage, there is nothing in the air regarding them even being in a position to pay their debt.

im hoping people are moving and shaking in the background to try and get it resolved but i think everyone knows its not a great look at the moment.

being that the two clubs dont see eye to eye, there is a debt, there is instability amongst the coach and players, the team isnt winning on the field etc etc, i just dont see harry stepping in unless he buys the club and gets full control.

Annnnnd, then theres the **good old Perth move chit chat**…...
which unless the club gets a private owner is 100% on the cards !

1 Question in 2 parts…Why would Perth want a transplanted basket case..?... And..Would the people of Perth get behind said basket case... Would they not want there OWN team to support..?

to be really honest Geo, i dont actually think its even part of the equation of what the "people" of perth "want" per sae.
people being your ordinary punters like you and me.
And i dont think for 1 second it will ever be communicated that the club is a basket case.
the NRL will talk it up and paint a very very pretty picture.

lets also be 100% blunt here - the peoples wants are vary very rarely considered in business dealings at this level.

(did any fans in NSW want their clubs to merge ? )

Perth the state wont look at a NRL team as a basket case - they will look at it purley from a business and geographical significance point of view.

They will be included in the National rugby league competition which also means other teams will now be playing games in their state.
for sports events etc - thats a pretty good carrot. its quite significant for perth as a state.

As for the people / punters - mate human nature will show that take up may be slow to start with but with good business nous good community programs good overall club environment - any club that sets up in Perth and does good business / privately and community wise - could succeed.

Alright..that could apply to any Sydney Club…But if it is ...Wests as it is looking likely to take up the other 50% of the Wests Tigers as they have first and last offer at which time all NRL loans will be repaid ..You think they would do so believing re-location is on the cards...I doubt It...they are in fact on record as stating as far as Wests Tigers branding and licence goes nothing will change...

The current NRL licence for the Wests Tigers is in place until the end of 2018....At which time with the new funding agreement will be in place as recently outlined by the NRL until at least 2022....

TBH the only place I have seen re-location mentioned is by members on this forum who appear to have their tin-foil hats on a little too tight...

 

[innsaneink]

spot on mate.
this one is actually quite a big deal.
people want to scoff at it etc but in reality it does seem very much a case whereby Wests / magpies will buy out the partnership should Balmain not be able to pay their debt.
At this stage, there is nothing in the air regarding them even being in a position to pay their debt.

im hoping people are moving and shaking in the background to try and get it resolved but i think everyone knows its not a great look at the moment.

being that the two clubs dont see eye to eye, there is a debt, there is instability amongst the coach and players, the team isnt winning on the field etc etc, i just dont see harry stepping in unless he buys the club and gets full control.

Annnnnd, then theres the **good old Perth move chit chat**…...
which unless the club gets a private owner is 100% on the cards !

1 Question in 2 parts…Why would Perth want a transplanted basket case..?... And..Would the people of Perth get behind said basket case... Would they not want there OWN team to support..?

to be really honest Geo, i dont actually think its even part of the equation of what the "people" of perth "want" per sae.
people being your ordinary punters like you and me.
And i dont think for 1 second it will ever be communicated that the club is a basket case.
the NRL will talk it up and paint a very very pretty picture.

lets also be 100% blunt here - the peoples wants are vary very rarely considered in business dealings at this level.

(did any fans in NSW want their clubs to merge ? )

Perth the state wont look at a NRL team as a basket case - they will look at it purley from a business and geographical significance point of view.

They will be included in the National rugby league competition which also means other teams will now be playing games in their state.
for sports events etc - thats a pretty good carrot. its quite significant for perth as a state.

As for the people / punters - mate human nature will show that take up may be slow to start with but with good business nous good community programs good overall club environment - any club that sets up in Perth and does good business / privately and community wise - could succeed.

Alright..that could apply to any Sydney Club…But if it is ...Wests as it is looking likely to take up the other 50% of the Wests Tigers as they have first and last offer at which time all NRL loans will be repaid ..You think they would do so believing re-location is on the cards...I doubt It...they are in fact on record as stating as far as Wests Tigers branding and licence goes nothing will change...

The current NRL licence for the Wests Tigers is in place until the end of 2018....At which time with the new funding agreement will be in place as recently outlined by the NRL until at least 2022....

**_TBH the only place I have seen re-location mentioned is by members on this forum who appear to have their tin-foil hats on a little too tight..._**

….and backdoor benny

 

[Snake]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

No idea.

We have 2 smaller clubs and have managed to pay for our juniors thus far despite not having a primary leagues club. We still have local league sponsors etc too. None of that is changing. The only thing which is potentially changing is the participation in a joint venture.

Once again, not participating in a jv doesn't mean you cease to exist, but yes of course there would be ongoing financial issues.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant agenda.

It probable would be the right option to let the JV go and to rebuild the Brand and as you say it is not all about being apart of the Nrl.
They can maintain all there junior bases once again be a community based club as what it previously was .. There is no shame in trying to do that ..please can the posters that want to put the boot into Balmain grow UP it is very sad to see such a proud club fight for survival and I am from the magpie side this is not pleasant for all the Balmain people!

 

[innsaneink]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

No idea.

We have 2 smaller clubs and have managed to pay for our juniors thus far despite not having a primary leagues club. We still have local league sponsors etc too. None of that is changing. The only thing which is potentially changing is the participation in a joint venture.

Once again, not participating in a jv doesn't mean you cease to exist, but yes of course there would be ongoing financial issues.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant agenda.

I think Ryde Eastwood mainly look after Balmain juniors, with Wests Ashfield looking after the old Wests jnr clubs like Concord Burwood, Five Dock RSL and now Strathfield Raiders.

Is the old Flemmo markets pub still Tigers, or is it just 5Dock Bowlo?

Thered be nothing without R/E

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

No idea.

We have 2 smaller clubs and have managed to pay for our juniors thus far despite not having a primary leagues club. We still have local league sponsors etc too. None of that is changing. The only thing which is potentially changing is the participation in a joint venture.

Once again, not participating in a jv doesn't mean you cease to exist, but yes of course there would be ongoing financial issues.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant agenda.

I would argue that we won't know the facts re: the short-term future until March 31, 2016.
Unfortunately Wests Ashfield & the NRL haven't yet informed the public about what their plans are.

 

[Russell]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

No idea.

We have 2 smaller clubs and have managed to pay for our juniors thus far despite not having a primary leagues club. We still have local league sponsors etc too. None of that is changing. The only thing which is potentially changing is the participation in a joint venture.

Once again, not participating in a jv doesn't mean you cease to exist, but yes of course there would be ongoing financial issues.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant agenda.

I would argue that we won't know the facts re: the short-term future until March 31, 2016.
Unfortunately Wests Ashfield & the NRL haven't yet informed the public about what their plans are.

We all know the scenario re: March 31, 2016 and some of us still live in hope.

However we do not need people with agendas pushing incorrect info down our throats.

It may well be that the Balmain Football Club is outed from the Wests Tigers.

It does not mean it is the finish of the Balmain Football Club as much as you seem to want it to be. They will still control THEIR juniors and look after the up and comers as they always have. FACT.

By the way, someone mentioned Ryde Eastwood Leagues Club. They have done Balmain FC no favors over the last couple years financially.

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

No idea.

We have 2 smaller clubs and have managed to pay for our juniors thus far despite not having a primary leagues club. We still have local league sponsors etc too. None of that is changing. The only thing which is potentially changing is the participation in a joint venture.

Once again, not participating in a jv doesn't mean you cease to exist, but yes of course there would be ongoing financial issues.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant agenda.

I would argue that we won't know the facts re: the short-term future until March 31, 2016.
Unfortunately Wests Ashfield & the NRL haven't yet informed the public about what their plans are.

We all know the scenario re: March 31, 2016 and some of us still live in hope.

However we do not need people with agendas pushing incorrect info down our throats.

It may well be that the Balmain Football Club is outed from the Wests Tigers.

It does not mean it is the finish of the Balmain Football Club as much as you seem to want it to be. They will still control THEIR juniors and look after the up and comers as they always have. FACT.

By the way, someone mentioned Ryde Eastwood Leagues Club. They have done Balmain FC no favors over the last couple years financially.

It would be great if someone could provide information re: the future of the Balmain District junior competitions for season 2016 & onward. Speculation is that Wests Ashfield Magpies will take over the Balmain Tigers junior district as part of the deal to buyout & takeover the non-financial Balmain Tigers. If this happens then there is a chance these junior clubs will become part of the Western Suburbs Magpies Juniors with the Magpie replacing the Tiger as the mascot.

 

[innsaneink]

Speculation lol…
From where? Your head? I wonder why you only waited until 9 pm on a Friday night mid December to share this scoop
Stop posting rubbish.

If worse comes to worst BDJRL would likely be split up with the surrounding junior leagues districts of Norths Parra and Bulldogs

 

[king_sirro]

Ryde Eastwood will support BDJRL in 2016\. Beyond that I don't know

 

[king_sirro]

Balmain Tigers got no money, no club, no nuffin…it's over.

No idea.

We have 2 smaller clubs and have managed to pay for our juniors thus far despite not having a primary leagues club. We still have local league sponsors etc too. None of that is changing. The only thing which is potentially changing is the participation in a joint venture.

Once again, not participating in a jv doesn't mean you cease to exist, but yes of course there would be ongoing financial issues.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant agenda.

It probable would be the right option to let the JV go and to rebuild the Brand and as you say it is not all about being apart of the Nrl.
They can maintain all there junior bases once again be a community based club as what it previously was .. There is no shame in trying to do that ..please can the posters that want to put the boot into Balmain grow UP it is very sad to see such a proud club fight for survival and I am from the magpie side this is not pleasant for all the Balmain people!

Especially considering the fact wests wouldn't exist in the NRL if it wasnt for the Tigers. Short memories indeed. Wests would be just like Norths but that means nothing to some, all that matters is sinking the boot in. It's like being happy the guy that gave you CPR to save your life is now dying of cancer. I struggle to make sense of people like that.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

Especially considering the fact wests wouldn't exist in the NRL if it wasnt for the Tigers. Short memories indeed. Wests would be just like Norths but that means nothing to some, all that matters is sinking the boot in. It's like being happy the guy that gave you CPR to save your life is now dying of cancer. I struggle to make sense of people like that.

Yeah,its just a sad mess,as you say Balmain had passed the criteria to stand alone,all it needed was some fresh thinking and attracting some backing like Cronulla & Souths.
Instead our glorious leaders were blinded/seduced with a multi Million $ carrot from the NRL that was blown in the first season or 2 on McCracken & Hill.

What a mess..

 

[Yossarian]

Cronulla were also boosted by their participation in the News Ltd comp. If they had have stuck with the ARL we would probably have the St George-Cronulla Dragons. Souths failed to meet the criteria and were a bee's doodle away from losing their court case. Balmain made the right decision given the circumstances at the time.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

. Balmain made the right decision given the circumstances at the time.

A lot of people will disagree with that statement,the Club should have fought,not rolled over.My Uncle was one of the Trainers at the time,the Club was bullied/threatened by sections of the NRL if they stood alone.I think,IIRC, they were only Guaranteed 5 years(may have been 10) in the Comp.The NRL also stated the money on the table for merged clubs was a once only offer and worked behind the scenes to placate Wests,they didn't want another court case,and get them to work with Balmain.The same techniques were used on Norths.

Anyway if a dog didn't have legs etc,we have to deal with the current situation & people.

 

[king_sirro]

Especially considering the fact wests wouldn't exist in the NRL if it wasnt for the Tigers. Short memories indeed. Wests would be just like Norths but that means nothing to some, all that matters is sinking the boot in. It's like being happy the guy that gave you CPR to save your life is now dying of cancer. I struggle to make sense of people like that.

Yeah,its just a sad mess,as you say Balmain had passed the criteria to stand alone,all it needed was some fresh thinking and attracting some backing like Cronulla & Souths.
Instead our glorious leaders were blinded/seduced with a multi Million $ carrot from the NRL that was blown in the first season or 2 on McCracken & Hill.

What a mess..

Personally I didn't mind merging with wests . Aways had a soft spot for them so it worked well for me. Just disappointing that some old magpie supporters are loving the fact Balmain could be gone. Turn back the clock 15 years and it's a different story, they were begging for Balmains help. For me i was more than happy to help save them and in turn secure our own future. 2 battlers working together….should have worked well.

 

[Yossarian]

. Balmain made the right decision given the circumstances at the time.

A lot of people will disagree with that statement,the Club should have fought,not rolled over.My Uncle was one of the Trainers at the time,the Club was bullied/threatened by sections of the NRL if they stood alone.I think,IIRC, they were only Guaranteed 5 years(may have been 10) in the Comp.The NRL also stated the money on the table for merged clubs was a once only offer and worked behind the scenes to placate Wests,they didn't want another court case,and get them to work with Balmain.The same techniques were used on Norths.

Anyway if a dog didn't have legs etc,we have to deal with the current situation & people.

Well the majority of football club members including me felt otherwise. I don't recall anyone being stood over or making that suggestion at the time but that's just my recollection.Yes there was a bribe for merging and a guarantee but that's about it. They weren't secretive about it.

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Speculation lol…
From where? Your head? I wonder why you only waited until 9 pm on a Friday night mid December to share this scoop
Stop posting rubbish.
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**<big>If worse comes to worst BDJRL would likely be split up with the surrounding junior leagues districts of Norths Parra and Bulldogs</big>**

That's my point. Wests Tigers run & owned by Wests Ashfield would be crazy to let opposition NRL clubs raid & take over the Balmain Juniors area.
Again, only speculation but maybe the trade off to agree to remain as **Wests** **Tigers** in the NRL is for Wests Ashfield to take over the Balmain junior district & field junior teams as the Wests Magpies playing in an expanded Western Suburbs Junior District.
For the record I don't think Wests Ashfield have any intention of changing the NRL name from the Tigers to the Magpies. If they did it would be goodbye to probably 80 percent of their fans, including me.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

this isnt speculation…. The NRL have nothing to do with running Junior Competition.

The district competitions fall under the responsibility of the NSWRL, and it will be there decision which junior clubs play in which competition.