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@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394434) said:@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394418) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394410) said:@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394408) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394407) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394397) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394388) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394386) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394376) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Genuine contest for the ball in the NFL?
yes, well when its thrown and not run. It's a contest for the ball.
Not really, the average turnovers for game is 2.6. I hardly call that a contest for possession.
ok so they just run straight and the ball just gets passed to them?. Turnovers don't illustrate a contest for the ball.
Tell me where the contest for etc ball is in our game? ours is a game about errors and field position.
Even the Euros are better watching that the garbage we get served up every weekend
Turnovers include intercepts and fumbles, so there may appear to be a genuine contest for the ball, but in reality the defence is trying to disrupt the play and not gain possession.
All that doesn't really relate to what we are talking about anyway, just didn't think the NFL was a good example for a genuine contest for possession.
Rugby League hasn't had a contest for possession for 25 years, the new rules haven't changed that, just made it easier for the team with possession to keep the ball for longer.
Maybe we should go back to the unlimited tackle rule. 😉
You would need to allow striking in the ruck to get a genuine contest for possession.
Maybe they can put the ball in the middle of scrums again and have a genuine contest for the ball in the scrum as well. Then you would need real hookers rather than pseudo hookers.
They are phasing scrums out.
@tigger said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394431) said:@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394418) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394410) said:@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394408) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394407) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394397) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394388) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394386) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394376) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Genuine contest for the ball in the NFL?
yes, well when its thrown and not run. It's a contest for the ball.
Not really, the average turnovers for game is 2.6. I hardly call that a contest for possession.
ok so they just run straight and the ball just gets passed to them?. Turnovers don't illustrate a contest for the ball.
Tell me where the contest for etc ball is in our game? ours is a game about errors and field position.
Even the Euros are better watching that the garbage we get served up every weekend
Turnovers include intercepts and fumbles, so there may appear to be a genuine contest for the ball, but in reality the defence is trying to disrupt the play and not gain possession.
All that doesn't really relate to what we are talking about anyway, just didn't think the NFL was a good example for a genuine contest for possession.
Rugby League hasn't had a contest for possession for 25 years, the new rules haven't changed that, just made it easier for the team with possession to keep the ball for longer.
Maybe we should go back to the unlimited tackle rule. 😉
You would need to allow striking in the ruck to get a genuine contest for possession.
Maybe they can put the ball in the middle of scrums again and have a genuine contest for the ball in the scrum as well. Then you would need real hookers rather than pseudo hookers.
Real hookers and real props.
The game has devolved to turnovers coming from errors. It really pisses me off to hear crowds cheering because someone has dropped the ball, or to see teams high-fiving because an opponent failed to play the ball properly (whoopee) . Apart from the strip, there is really no contest for the ball.
Both the scrum and the play-the-ball were once contests and I wouldn't mind to see that reinstated in our game.
Yep, I know, scrum penalties were a lottery. But let's face it, so are 6 agains.
@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?
if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?
Touch football
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394445) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?
if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?
Touch football
Netball :blush:
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394445) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?
if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?
Touch football
Netball :blush:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394448) said:@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394445) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?
if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?
Touch football
Netball :blush:
Don't insult Netball, its a tough game.
@tigger said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394431) said:@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394418) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394410) said:@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394408) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394407) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394397) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394388) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394386) said:@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394376) said:@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.
It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.
When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.
It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively
What odds we have more changes coming next year.
Genuine contest for the ball in the NFL?
yes, well when its thrown and not run. It's a contest for the ball.
Not really, the average turnovers for game is 2.6. I hardly call that a contest for possession.
ok so they just run straight and the ball just gets passed to them?. Turnovers don't illustrate a contest for the ball.
Tell me where the contest for etc ball is in our game? ours is a game about errors and field position.
Even the Euros are better watching that the garbage we get served up every weekend
Turnovers include intercepts and fumbles, so there may appear to be a genuine contest for the ball, but in reality the defence is trying to disrupt the play and not gain possession.
All that doesn't really relate to what we are talking about anyway, just didn't think the NFL was a good example for a genuine contest for possession.
Rugby League hasn't had a contest for possession for 25 years, the new rules haven't changed that, just made it easier for the team with possession to keep the ball for longer.
Maybe we should go back to the unlimited tackle rule. 😉
You would need to allow striking in the ruck to get a genuine contest for possession.
Maybe they can put the ball in the middle of scrums again and have a genuine contest for the ball in the scrum as well. Then you would need real hookers rather than pseudo hookers.
Real hookers and real props.
The game has devolved to turnovers coming from errors. It really pisses me off to hear crowds cheering because someone has dropped the ball, or to see teams high-fiving because an opponent failed to play the ball properly (whoopee) . Apart from the strip, there is really no contest for the ball.
Both the scrum and the play-the-ball were once contests and I wouldn't mind to see that reinstated in our game.
Yep, I know, scrum penalties were a lottery. But let's face it, so are 6 agains.
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394477) said:Lets be honest - V'Landys is pitching the game to Mums and 10 yr olds - the rest of us are dinosaurs in his eyes
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394480) said:@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394477) said:Lets be honest - V'Landys is pitching the game to Mums and 10 yr olds - the rest of us are dinosaurs in his eyes
Play touch then.
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394483) said:@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394480) said:@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394477) said:Lets be honest - V'Landys is pitching the game to Mums and 10 yr olds - the rest of us are dinosaurs in his eyes
Play touch then.
??? Huh - I'm against the guy
@hobbo1 said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394361) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
Manly had 10 consecutive sets at one stage ..
@vince-farrar said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394488) said:@hobbo1 said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394361) said:@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…
Manly had 10 consecutive sets at one stage ..
I don’t want to sound like a broken record but the game can now be manipulated by refs without any real way to scrutinise their performance. Game has changed for the worst.