Has Valandys ruined the game?

Yes he has ruined the game. 2 years ago i loved watching every game - this yr i stryggle to watch a full game outside the tigers. And no its not because my team are crap they were crap then too
 
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?
 
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394434) said:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394418) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394410) said:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394408) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394407) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394397) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394388) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394386) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394376) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Genuine contest for the ball in the NFL?


yes, well when its thrown and not run. It's a contest for the ball.

Not really, the average turnovers for game is 2.6. I hardly call that a contest for possession.


ok so they just run straight and the ball just gets passed to them?. Turnovers don't illustrate a contest for the ball.

Tell me where the contest for etc ball is in our game? ours is a game about errors and field position.

Even the Euros are better watching that the garbage we get served up every weekend

Turnovers include intercepts and fumbles, so there may appear to be a genuine contest for the ball, but in reality the defence is trying to disrupt the play and not gain possession.

All that doesn't really relate to what we are talking about anyway, just didn't think the NFL was a good example for a genuine contest for possession.

Rugby League hasn't had a contest for possession for 25 years, the new rules haven't changed that, just made it easier for the team with possession to keep the ball for longer.

Maybe we should go back to the unlimited tackle rule. 😉

You would need to allow striking in the ruck to get a genuine contest for possession.

Maybe they can put the ball in the middle of scrums again and have a genuine contest for the ball in the scrum as well. Then you would need real hookers rather than pseudo hookers.

They are phasing scrums out.


I know, further to the detriment of the game.
 
The 6 again rule opens the game up to more corruption.
Never been an easier mechanism to swing momentum of a game than this rule.
 
@tigger said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394431) said:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394418) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394410) said:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394408) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394407) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394397) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394388) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394386) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394376) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Genuine contest for the ball in the NFL?


yes, well when its thrown and not run. It's a contest for the ball.

Not really, the average turnovers for game is 2.6. I hardly call that a contest for possession.


ok so they just run straight and the ball just gets passed to them?. Turnovers don't illustrate a contest for the ball.

Tell me where the contest for etc ball is in our game? ours is a game about errors and field position.

Even the Euros are better watching that the garbage we get served up every weekend

Turnovers include intercepts and fumbles, so there may appear to be a genuine contest for the ball, but in reality the defence is trying to disrupt the play and not gain possession.

All that doesn't really relate to what we are talking about anyway, just didn't think the NFL was a good example for a genuine contest for possession.

Rugby League hasn't had a contest for possession for 25 years, the new rules haven't changed that, just made it easier for the team with possession to keep the ball for longer.

Maybe we should go back to the unlimited tackle rule. 😉

You would need to allow striking in the ruck to get a genuine contest for possession.

Maybe they can put the ball in the middle of scrums again and have a genuine contest for the ball in the scrum as well. Then you would need real hookers rather than pseudo hookers.

Real hookers and real props.

The game has devolved to turnovers coming from errors. It really pisses me off to hear crowds cheering because someone has dropped the ball, or to see teams high-fiving because an opponent failed to play the ball properly (whoopee) . Apart from the strip, there is really no contest for the ball.

Both the scrum and the play-the-ball were once contests and I wouldn't mind to see that reinstated in our game.

Yep, I know, scrum penalties were a lottery. But let's face it, so are 6 agains.


Don't know your age but i'm 68 and played a fair bit of reasonable quality football and what you say is so true. I can't stand players high fiving when some one has made a mistake. Every footballer makes a mistake but to be belittled for it in my day would have been a target on your head.
 
@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?


if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?






Touch football
 
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:
@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?


if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?






Touch football


Netball :blush:
 
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394445) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:
@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?


if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?






Touch football


Netball :blush:


ahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394445) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:
@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?


if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?






Touch football


Netball :blush:


Don't insult Netball, its a tough game.
 
I was talking with my father in law the other day and he was blaming the refs and bunker for the mess and I was saying he should be blaming V’landys and those around him.

The refs are bunker are only following the directions they have been given by their bosses.
 
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394448) said:
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394445) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394444) said:
@kevb said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394439) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Agree with entirely the contest for the ball is what is missing. Most ball games have this, it has been gradually eroded from rugby league in my opinion. Where do the NRL gome from here?


if there is no contest for etc ball, and it's not a game of attrition, what have we got left?






Touch football


Netball :blush:


Don't insult Netball, its a tough game.

I was just channelling Ricky
 
@tigger said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394431) said:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394418) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394410) said:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394408) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394407) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394397) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394388) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394386) said:
@cochise said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394376) said:
@the_third said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394369) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…


absolutely "the product" has ruined the game. V'Landys is the one who has done this.

It's a sport and a contest is the entertainment, a contest for the ball. Look at the NFL, they have a genuine contest for the ball on more plays than not, AFL, same thing.

When a comp is over 3-4 weeks in for most of the teams, he should address the bigger problems before he changed the rules for entertainment.

It needs to be thought of as a sport first, not entertainment. This is where he failed massively

What odds we have more changes coming next year.

Genuine contest for the ball in the NFL?


yes, well when its thrown and not run. It's a contest for the ball.

Not really, the average turnovers for game is 2.6. I hardly call that a contest for possession.


ok so they just run straight and the ball just gets passed to them?. Turnovers don't illustrate a contest for the ball.

Tell me where the contest for etc ball is in our game? ours is a game about errors and field position.

Even the Euros are better watching that the garbage we get served up every weekend

Turnovers include intercepts and fumbles, so there may appear to be a genuine contest for the ball, but in reality the defence is trying to disrupt the play and not gain possession.

All that doesn't really relate to what we are talking about anyway, just didn't think the NFL was a good example for a genuine contest for possession.

Rugby League hasn't had a contest for possession for 25 years, the new rules haven't changed that, just made it easier for the team with possession to keep the ball for longer.

Maybe we should go back to the unlimited tackle rule. 😉

You would need to allow striking in the ruck to get a genuine contest for possession.

Maybe they can put the ball in the middle of scrums again and have a genuine contest for the ball in the scrum as well. Then you would need real hookers rather than pseudo hookers.

Real hookers and real props.

The game has devolved to turnovers coming from errors. It really pisses me off to hear crowds cheering because someone has dropped the ball, or to see teams high-fiving because an opponent failed to play the ball properly (whoopee) . Apart from the strip, there is really no contest for the ball.

Both the scrum and the play-the-ball were once contests and I wouldn't mind to see that reinstated in our game.

Yep, I know, scrum penalties were a lottery. But let's face it, so are 6 agains.

Remember 1988 at Leichhardt Oval, Tigers kick the ball into touch 1 metre out from the tryline. Benny and his massive pack were a better than 55% chance of winning the ball against the head and feed. Tigers backline set for an attacking raid, defending team preparing for an onslaught, crowd going crazy with anticipation. If the Tigers win the scrum there's a sweeping backline move towards the opposite corner. If they lose the scrum, the opposition runs it out into a deep backline set to attack and launch their own raid against a desperately reorganising defence. Everyone in the crowd on their feet.
You can't tell me the game has gotten better.
 
Lets be honest - V'Landys is pitching the game to Mums and 10 yr olds - the rest of us are dinosaurs in his eyes
 
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394477) said:
Lets be honest - V'Landys is pitching the game to Mums and 10 yr olds - the rest of us are dinosaurs in his eyes


Play touch then.
 
They need to pick a year in the late 80's early 90's and do a reset of the rules, like you do on your computer.
Just reset the date and start again.
 
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394480) said:
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394477) said:
Lets be honest - V'Landys is pitching the game to Mums and 10 yr olds - the rest of us are dinosaurs in his eyes


Play touch then.

??? Huh - I'm against the guy
 
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394483) said:
@mike said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394480) said:
@diedpretty said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394477) said:
Lets be honest - V'Landys is pitching the game to Mums and 10 yr olds - the rest of us are dinosaurs in his eyes


Play touch then.

??? Huh - I'm against the guy

No I meant V'Landy's. Sorry wasn't directed at you. Just my bad.
 
@hobbo1 said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394361) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…

Manly had 10 consecutive sets at one stage ..

I don’t want to sound like a broken record but the game can now be manipulated by refs without any real way to scrutinise their performance. Game has changed for the worst.
 
@vince-farrar said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394488) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394361) said:
@tigerap said in [Has Valandys ruined the game?](/post/1394335) said:
80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…

Manly had 10 consecutive sets at one stage ..

I don’t want to sound like a broken record but the game can now be manipulated by refs without any real way to scrutinise their performance. Game has changed for the worst.

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