Hater's gonna hate, hate, hate

[sideline_eye]

Last year his management gave the club and Taylor a spray..saying they gave Farah no real chance to find a new club because most clubs had already filled their caps for 2016\. They have gone very quite this year and have had a lot of time to work with.

Revenge is a very destructive emotion

I could be wrong here coach but i thought his management asked for a release in the pre season?

One which was not granted by the Tigers.

Correct Eddie

Well, half correct. They asked for a release and for his full contract to be paid out. They must have known it was never going to happen because he was only ever granted permission to negotiate elsewhere.

 

[Harvey]

But they do not take it off you. They tell you to look for a job elsewhere. You are obviously talented, which is why you got that money in the first place. You have not been recalcitrant and bad mouthed your employer and your supervisor (unlike some), so surely an employer out there will hire you and we will pay you the difference between what they are offering, and the inflated, poorly considered contract that we signed you to a couple of years ago.

We have also realised that those couple of kids we recently promoted from the mail room are more than capable of doing your job in your absence.

Harvey, i like your posts most times, and i know others do too

But there is where we stand divided
Here is a real case and you will agree if not at least see the truth

Working for the same company for 20 years you get given a redundancy, why ?
Its because you are starting to cost the company a lot more money in wages, benefits and entitlements.
You get moved on and there is no where to complain. They dont care about the experience you take with you as they have figured out those mail boys can get the job done for less.

Having worked 20 years you get to the wrong end of the Age Scale making it less likely to get another role and if you do succeed you get market rates which are considerably less than what you had got to in the 20 years.

It clearly doesnt finish in your favour.
People dont get made redundant for bad mouthing.
Every organisation has a structure where an employee can voice their grievances, maybe Farah has no where to hence expressing his disappointment in the Media.
Maybe he cant got to HR like we can, maybe everyone is turning their backs on him, who knows.

He is gotta vent it out somehow.

Once again, i say give him the coin and tell him to leave.
Turn the other way and tell Taylor his services are no longer required too..

Its like a punch up in a game, both get sent off or at least get 10
Lets start fresh

Can't give you a thumbs up for the post at the moment but wish this whole thing would stop being played out in the media. It makes our club look like blokes selling meat raffle tickets at the pub and running off with the money. I wish that Robbie would just take up a couple of year contract in super league and then see if there is a role for him at the club.
At the moment he is tarnishing his history at the club and making them look amateurish at the same time

 

[sideline_eye]

I have been called a Robbie hater in a number of threads. I do not hate Robbie, he has been a good player and I will always respect his efforts for the club.

I think he is likely in the best 17, and in the short term, should be selected. Moving forward though, him and a 950k contract are not the answer.

However I do think that he is past his use by date, and will not play at the same level he has in the past. The club has obviously made a decision that they want to move forward without him. They told him last year, but he chose to stay. The writing was on the wall this year, **and still he appears not to have looked for opportunities elsewhere.**

So here we are again with the whole thing being played out in media including the poor me press conferences.

I think it's time for Robbie to bite his tongue and move on.

He really just needs to shake it off.

He doesn't need to look for other opportunities - he has a binding contract for this year and next.
Best option for him is to stay, then if they choose him in reserves every week it's the easiest money he could make.
They are hoping his ego will stop him from doing this.
It's been reported before he asked to play this year and would go to ESL of his own accord in 2017, his offer was refused by Taylor.
If Taylor and the board don't want him here pay him all the money he is rightfully owed and say goodbye.

No, he doesn't have to look elsewhere. JT has said in recent days that Robbie has a contract and the club expects him to be here next year. They will never pay him 950K to walk away.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

But they do not take it off you. They tell you to look for a job v tthe elsewhere. You are obviously talented, which is why you got that money in the first place. You have not been recalcitrant and bad mouthed your employer and your supervisor (unlike some), so surely an employer out there will hire you and we will pay you the difference between what they are offering, and the inflated, poorly considered contract that we signed you to a couple of years ago.

We have also realised that those couple of kids we recently promoted from the mail room are more than capable of doing your job in your absence.

Harvey, if we take the personal feelings out of this .
The one major fact that is being missed in this by a lot of posters, is that Farah didn't just sign a contract to play football . He signed a contract to play football for Wests Tigers for 4 years,
If he fulfills that contract then thats what he's entitled to do . If Wests Tigers don't want him to do that in first grade (for any reasons) thats up to them. I don't dispute any of that. Take out the fact that some think that's a stupid thing, and some think it's great as that's the thing that's causing all the argument

They can make him play Reserves legally, but they can't make him leave the club IF he doesn't want to.
His reasons for wanting to stay do not matter, that's entirely his business.No one else's.
It's the clubs legal odligation to pay him if he does want to stay, despite what some think.
Some people seem to believe the Club has a right to move him on. It Doesn't. It's Farahs call on that.
If he was a younger player, on a smaller contract it may have suited him to go. But for**whatever reason[ he doesn't want to do that. The reason does not matter.
As someone here was talking about contracts in a business. If someone has a contract and is doing his job, but the business wants to go in a different direction and no longer wants that person. They also has to pay out his contract and they do.
Keep the garbage stuff such as him unloading on Taylor, out for a moment, they've both been responsible for some stuff that has been inflammatory though this. And in the end None of that will matter, [ unless it gets too bad].
There's no use anyone saying that they should do this or that.
There are only a couple of ways it can go.
As Taylor has said that he will stay,
They can pay him out, or they can play him in reserves, most of us , if not all know that.
We can take whatever side we want, but we can't change the law.
Very few would really believe that this is about anything but money
For too long clubs have treated players as if they held the upper hand. They Don't.
A contract is binding whether that suits us or not. Both ways
Saying that either should do anything that is not within each other's rights is a waste of time for all of us**

 

[Champs05]

But they do not take it off you. They tell you to look for a job v tthe elsewhere. You are obviously talented, which is why you got that money in the first place. You have not been recalcitrant and bad mouthed your employer and your supervisor (unlike some), so surely an employer out there will hire you and we will pay you the difference between what they are offering, and the inflated, poorly considered contract that we signed you to a couple of years ago.

We have also realised that those couple of kids we recently promoted from the mail room are more than capable of doing your job in your absence.

Harvey, if we take the personal feelings out of this .
The one major fact that is being missed in this by a lot of posters, is that Farah didn't just sign a contract to play football . He signed a contract to play football for Wests Tigers for 4 years,
If he fulfills that contract then thats what he's entitled to do . If Wests Tigers don't want him to do that in first grade (for any reasons) thats up to them. I don't dispute any of that. Take out the fact that some think that's a stupid thing, and some think it's great as that's the thing that's causing all the argument

They can make him play Reserves legally, but they can't make him leave the club IF he doesn't want to.
His reasons for wanting to stay do not matter, that's entirely his business.No one else's.
It's the clubs legal odligation to pay him if he does want to stay, despite what some think.
Some people seem to believe the Club has a right to move him on. It Doesn't. It's Farahs call on that.
If he was a younger player, on a smaller contract it may have suited him to go. But for**whatever reason[ he doesn't want to do that. The reason does not matter.
As someone here was talking about contracts in a business. If someone has a contract and is doing his job, but the business wants to go in a different direction and no longer wants that person. They also has to pay out his contract and they do.
Keep the garbage stuff such as him unloading on Taylor, out for a moment, they've both been responsible for some stuff that has been inflammatory though this. And in the end None of that will matter, [ unless it gets too bad].
There's no use anyone saying that they should do this or that.
There are only a couple of ways it can go.
As Taylor has said that he will stay,
They can pay him out, or they can play him in reserves, most of us , if not all know that.
We can take whatever side we want, but we can't change the law.
Very few would really believe that this is about anything but money
For too long clubs have treated players as if they held the upper hand. They Don't.
A contract is binding whether that suits us or not. Both ways
Saying that either should do anything that is not within each other's rights is a waste of time for all of us**

**Very well summarised GCT. I cannot understand what Robbie haters find difficult to comprehend.**

 

[Nelson]

The one major fact that is being missed in this by a lot of posters, is that Farah didn't just sign a contract to play football . He signed a contract to play football for Wests Tigers for 4 years,

Umm no I don't think a lot of posters have missed that point.

It's the clubs legal odligation to pay him if he does want to stay, despite what some think.

Haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Keep the garbage stuff such as him unloading on Taylor, out for a moment

Right so the only clauses in contracts that matter are the one's that relate to employees being paid money? Gotcha.

 

[Champs05]

The one major fact that is being missed in this by a lot of posters, is that Farah didn't just sign a contract to play football . He signed a contract to play football for Wests Tigers for 4 years,

Umm no I don't think a lot of posters have missed that point.

It's the clubs legal odligation to pay him if he does want to stay, despite what some think.

Haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Keep the garbage stuff such as him unloading on Taylor, out for a moment

Right so the only clauses in contracts that matter are the one's that relate to employees being paid money? Gotcha.

Also player must comply with terms of contract to get paid.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The one major fact that is being missed in this by a lot of posters, is that Farah didn't just sign a contract to play football . He signed a contract to play football for Wests Tigers for 4 years,

Umm no I don't think a lot of posters have missed that point.

It's the clubs legal odligation to pay him if he does want to stay, despite what some think.

Haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Keep the garbage stuff such as him unloading on Taylor, out for a moment

Right so the only clauses in contracts that matter are the one's that relate to employees being paid money? Gotcha.

No , but the club threats from the club employees and the comments from Robbie won't be what's needed to break a contract, maybe a warning , but no more.
So why keep going over that

 

[Nelson]

No , but the club threats from the club employees and the comments from Robbie won't be what's needed to break a contract, maybe a warning , but no more.
So why keep going over that

I just find it ironic that you go on about contracts like they're sacrosanct but are quite happy to gloss over breaches of terms like they're nothing. The club has not breached its obligations to him yet. He breached his contractual obligations to the club with his weekend spray. He needs to tread carefully. A single breach in isolation may not trigger a termination but repeated breaches of the same nature likely would.

 

[Blaze]

Paying robbie out and being done with it is the silliest option possible for the club. Why would you pay his contract out only for him to then to join another team for peanuts knowing he will then be paid well over a mil for the season? When alternatively he can better the reserve side and the club still gets the benefit of his skills? Let's face it, just because our team wants a different direction without him, it doesn't mean they don't think the bloke isn't a great player, he just no longer fits into the future of the team. Atleast if he is still contracted, the club will be compensated if he dicides to move on to another club… The situation may not be a perfect scenario for him, but when you get on in age anywhere and are no longer needed, despite contracts the club has to look towards the future at some point. And let's face it, with our salary cap situation, it will be another year of the same, so we may aswell start trying something new for next year whist we are restrained by farahs cap space.. The club is trying to become more of a business to compete with the better teams, this is what they do, they don't run their clubs on emotion, and we have been guilty of that for years now. New start may be rough, but something had to give. It's time we all noticed it and stop being accepting of an average club because we can't make the calls incase we upset people.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The op was simplified as much as possible, not sure why some have so much trouble understanding, it.
We can whinge about any of our personal little gripes about Farah or Taylor , none of them will make an ounce of difference .
It still comes down to the two options for the club, if they don't want him in first grade
Unless the club or Farah do something that warrants a serious breach of Contract.
Pay him out , or Play him in reserves .
Is that so complicated??????????

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Paying robbie out and being done with it is the silliest option possible for the club. Why would you pay his contract out only for him to then to join another team for peanuts knowing he will then be paid well over a mil for the season? When alternatively he can better the reserve side and the club still gets the benefit of his skills? Let's face it, just because our team wants a different direction without him, it doesn't mean they don't think the bloke isn't a great player, he just no longer fits into the future of the team. Atleast if he is still contracted, the club will be compensated if he dicides to move on to another club… The situation may not be a perfect scenario for him, but when you get on in age anywhere and are no longer needed, despite contracts the club has to look towards the future at some point. And let's face it, with our salary cap situation, it will be another year of the same, so we may aswell start trying something new for next year whist we are restrained by farahs cap space.. The club is trying to become more of a business to compete with the better teams, this is what they do, they don't run their clubs on emotion, and we have been guilty of that for years now. New start may be rough, but something had to give. It's time we all noticed it and stop being accepting of an average club because we can't make the calls incase we upset people.

I agree with most of what you say,
I never said they should do one of the other.
Just said what it comes down to. Two choices if they don't want him in firsts, but we can all do without the B/S reasons

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

No , but the club threats from the club employees and the comments from Robbie won't be what's needed to break a contract, maybe a warning , but no more.
So why keep going over that

I just find it ironic that you go on about contracts like they're sacrosanct but are quite happy to gloss over breaches of terms like they're nothing. The club has not breached its obligations to him yet. He breached his contractual obligations to the club with his weekend spray. He needs to tread carefully. A single breach in isolation may not trigger a termination but repeated breaches of the same nature likely would.

Back to things that won't change anything
I'm not glossing over anything both Robbie and representatives of the club have said things that they'd be better , not to, but won't change anything in the long run
You can wish for anything you want. Buy it will still come down to their two choices

 

[Blaze]

Paying robbie out and being done with it is the silliest option possible for the club. Why would you pay his contract out only for him to then to join another team for peanuts knowing he will then be paid well over a mil for the season? When alternatively he can better the reserve side and the club still gets the benefit of his skills? Let's face it, just because our team wants a different direction without him, it doesn't mean they don't think the bloke isn't a great player, he just no longer fits into the future of the team. Atleast if he is still contracted, the club will be compensated if he dicides to move on to another club… The situation may not be a perfect scenario for him, but when you get on in age anywhere and are no longer needed, despite contracts the club has to look towards the future at some point. And let's face it, with our salary cap situation, it will be another year of the same, so we may aswell start trying something new for next year whist we are restrained by farahs cap space.. The club is trying to become more of a business to compete with the better teams, this is what they do, they don't run their clubs on emotion, and we have been guilty of that for years now. New start may be rough, but something had to give. It's time we all noticed it and stop being accepting of an average club because we can't make the calls incase we upset people.

I agree with most of what you say,
I never said they should do one of the other.
Just said what it comes down to. Two choices if they don't want him in firsts, but we can all do without the B/S reasons

But why are they b/s reasons? He isn't playing the hooker role like the coach wants him to play. And by all reports isn't willing to. Which is going against what the coach wants… If he had done so he would still be in the team.

 

[Eddie]

Paying robbie out and being done with it is the silliest option possible for the club. Why would you pay his contract out only for him to then to join another team for peanuts knowing he will then be paid well over a mil for the season? When alternatively he can better the reserve side and the club still gets the benefit of his skills? Let's face it, just because our team wants a different direction without him, it doesn't mean they don't think the bloke isn't a great player, he just no longer fits into the future of the team. Atleast if he is still contracted, the club will be compensated if he dicides to move on to another club… The situation may not be a perfect scenario for him, but when you get on in age anywhere and are no longer needed, despite contracts the club has to look towards the future at some point. And let's face it, with our salary cap situation, it will be another year of the same, so we may aswell start trying something new for next year whist we are restrained by farahs cap space.. The club is trying to become more of a business to compete with the better teams, this is what they do, they don't run their clubs on emotion, and we have been guilty of that for years now. New start may be rough, but something had to give. It's time we all noticed it and stop being accepting of an average club because we can't make the calls incase we upset people.

I agree with most of what you say,
I never said they should do one of the other.
Just said what it comes down to. Two choices if they don't want him in firsts, but we can all do without the B/S reasons

But why are they b/s reasons? He isn't playing the hooker role like the coach wants him to play. And by all reports isn't willing to. Which is going against what the coach wants… If he had done so he would still be in the team.

So scoring 30 plus points, and servicing the halves with early ball in the last 2 game were against the game plan ?

 

[Geo]

Speaking of contracts

Is Robbie hate different to Taylor hate…?

Again on FB I have seen posted a request to take a 'CONTRACT' out on Taylor...that's after another Win

 

[Blaze]

Paying robbie out and being done with it is the silliest option possible for the club. Why would you pay his contract out only for him to then to join another team for peanuts knowing he will then be paid well over a mil for the season? When alternatively he can better the reserve side and the club still gets the benefit of his skills? Let's face it, just because our team wants a different direction without him, it doesn't mean they don't think the bloke isn't a great player, he just no longer fits into the future of the team. Atleast if he is still contracted, the club will be compensated if he dicides to move on to another club… The situation may not be a perfect scenario for him, but when you get on in age anywhere and are no longer needed, despite contracts the club has to look towards the future at some point. And let's face it, with our salary cap situation, it will be another year of the same, so we may aswell start trying something new for next year whist we are restrained by farahs cap space.. The club is trying to become more of a business to compete with the better teams, this is what they do, they don't run their clubs on emotion, and we have been guilty of that for years now. New start may be rough, but something had to give. It's time we all noticed it and stop being accepting of an average club because we can't make the calls incase we upset people.

I agree with most of what you say,
I never said they should do one of the other.
Just said what it comes down to. Two choices if they don't want him in firsts, but we can all do without the B/S reasons

But why are they b/s reasons? He isn't playing the hooker role like the coach wants him to play. And by all reports isn't willing to. Which is going against what the coach wants… If he had done so he would still be in the team.

So scoring 30 plus points, and servicing the halves with early ball in the last 2 game were against the game plan ?

No, it was fine, but after watching how much more involved the halves were last game, there was a clear difference. Obviously things are going to get better with a proper hooker instead of dean and co. But surely you could see the difference in the halves being left with no option but to take control? Which is what this move is about… Sure you can go down the easy path and believe it's personal, but I'm not so sure the club would go through this backlash if it was the reason.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Speaking of contracts

Is Robbie hate different to Taylor hate…?

Again on FB I have seen posted a request to take a 'CONTRACT' out on Taylor...that's after another Win

That's from one of his mates

 

[stevetiger]

I want the best side in the present.

It's not too much to ask is it. Let's try and win as many games as possible and put the best side on the park.

Why are so many on here accepting of doing anything differently to this and the supposed reasons are stuff out of days of our lives.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I agree with most of what you say,
I never said they should do one of the other.
Just said what it comes down to. Two choices if they don't want him in firsts, but we can all do without the B/S reasons

But why are they b/s reasons? He isn't playing the hooker role like the coach wants him to play. And by all reports isn't willing to. Which is going against what the coach wants… If he had done so he would still be in the team.

So scoring 30 plus points, and servicing the halves with early ball in the last 2 game were against the game plan ?

No, it was fine, but after watching how much more involved the halves were last game, there was a clear difference. Obviously things are going to get better with a proper hooker instead of dean and co. But surely you could see the difference in the halves being left with no option but to take control? Which is what this move is about… Sure you can go down the easy path and believe it's personal, but I'm not so sure the club would go through this backlash if it was the reason.

You don't think the Quality of the opposition had a slight bit to do with it . It was as bad as ours if ET is not playing