Have you been vaccinated?

[Cultured_Bogan]

Given that it appears that the Delta strain is much more infectious, and makes younger people ill (I believe there's a teenager in ICU in NSW,) it would be more imperative now that every gets vaccinated as soon as they can. The virus will evolve, and it will evolve unpredictably. It could become less dangerous as it becomes more infectious. It could also become more deadly.

 

[Snake]

Given that it appears that the Delta strain is much more infectious, and makes younger people ill (I believe there's a teenager in ICU in NSW,) it would be more imperative now that every gets vaccinated as soon as they can. The virus will evolve, and it will evolve unpredictably. It could become less dangerous as it becomes more infectious. It could also become more deadly.

With the way it is mutating it certainly could get more deadly , after 1.5 years and counting being vaccinated will be your only option and having boosters every year will be the only way to live with it .. I do not think this virus is going anywhere probably for a generation .
Get vaccinated it’s your only chance IMO.

 

[mike]

Your last comment about politics - you reckon, what, all the governments of the world are colluding to get their people to vaccinate, and you are suspicious? To what end? What is the purpose of getting everyone vaccinated, if not to protect their safety? Every government on Earth encouraging their countrymen and women to get the shot. Aren’t most conspiracies supposed to be done clandestine, not as a consensus, not out in the open?

They didn't make Kingsman - The secret service for nothing..

Love that movie.

 

[mike]

I am happy for people to not get measles, rubella, smallpox vaccines. The risk of transmission and infection is extremely low and rare now (cough cough, I wonder why). But our risk of transmission and infection of COVID is very high comparatively.

Human race has survived and has lived long due to scientific advances. Yes our bodies are strong but without medicine, our life expectancy would be 30

I truer word has never been written. I would be blind as a bat and dead at least twice if it wasn’t for modern medicine.

 

[The-moP]

The 1st AZ wrecked me :-( .. I'm of an older vintage so therefore i had my 1st AZ jab several weeks + ago .. within hours of getting the jab I started getting a bad head ache, then i had sweats but feeling very cold .. then in a few days the pain set in across the top of my shoulders and back .. and i developed a throat / chest cough that wouldnt go away and i was now having difficulties breathing .. !!

After ringing my Dr he suggested I go to hospital and I was admitted for 5 days into the infectious disease ward .. a breathing mask and tubes down my throat, drips connected, and in a room that had a plastic screen that people had to use a zipper to get in .. and the nurses wore astronaut like suits .. !!

Speaking with Doctors, they said if I had told them that I had my 1st AZ jab .. they were going to put in down as a fully blown COVID patient .. !! I have been told that the 1st AZ jab kicks ya .. and 2nd one is just a small top up .. but with the Pfizer jabs its the other way round .. 1st jab is a small intro and the 2nd one is the kicker .. !! Good luck folks.

 

[hobbo1]

The 1st AZ wrecked me :-( .. I'm of an older vintage so therefore i had my 1st AZ jab several weeks + ago .. within hours of getting the jab I started getting a bad head ache, then i had sweats but feeling very cold .. then in a few days the pain set in across the top of my shoulders and back .. and i developed a throat / chest cough that wouldnt go away and i was now having difficulties breathing .. !!

After ringing my Dr he suggested I go to hospital and I was admitted for 5 days into the infectious disease ward .. a breathing mask and tubes down my throat, drips connected, and in a room that had a plastic screen that people had to use a zipper to get in .. and the nurses wore astronaut like suits .. !!

Speaking with Doctors, they said if I had told them that I had my 1st AZ jab .. they were going to put in down as a fully blown COVID patient .. !! I have been told that the 1st AZ jab kicks ya .. and 2nd one is just a small top up .. but with the Pfizer jabs its the other way round .. 1st jab is a small intro and the 2nd one is the kicker .. !! Good luck folks.

😳

 

[Demps]

The 1st AZ wrecked me :-( .. I'm of an older vintage so therefore i had my 1st AZ jab several weeks + ago .. within hours of getting the jab I started getting a bad head ache, then i had sweats but feeling very cold .. then in a few days the pain set in across the top of my shoulders and back .. and i developed a throat / chest cough that wouldnt go away and i was now having difficulties breathing .. !!

After ringing my Dr he suggested I go to hospital and I was admitted for 5 days into the infectious disease ward .. a breathing mask and tubes down my throat, drips connected, and in a room that had a plastic screen that people had to use a zipper to get in .. and the nurses wore astronaut like suits .. !!

Speaking with Doctors, they said if I had told them that I had my 1st AZ jab .. they were going to put in down as a fully blown COVID patient .. !! I have been told that the 1st AZ jab kicks ya .. and 2nd one is just a small top up .. but with the Pfizer jabs its the other way round .. 1st jab is a small intro and the 2nd one is the kicker .. !! Good luck folks.

Jesus

Hope you're doing OK, lad.
Keep us updated.

 

[Geo]

Your last comment about politics - you reckon, what, all the governments of the world are colluding to get their people to vaccinate, and you are suspicious? To what end? What is the purpose of getting everyone vaccinated, if not to protect their safety? Every government on Earth encouraging their countrymen and women to get the shot. Aren’t most conspiracies supposed to be done clandestine, not as a consensus, not out in the open?

They didn't make Kingsman - The secret service for nothing..

Love that movie.

Wait..it was a movie..

The host kills the Virus or the virus kills the host..

 

[mike]

Your last comment about politics - you reckon, what, all the governments of the world are colluding to get their people to vaccinate, and you are suspicious? To what end? What is the purpose of getting everyone vaccinated, if not to protect their safety? Every government on Earth encouraging their countrymen and women to get the shot. Aren’t most conspiracies supposed to be done clandestine, not as a consensus, not out in the open?

They didn't make Kingsman - The secret service for nothing..

Love that movie.

Wait..it was a movie..

The host kills the Virus or the virus kills the host..

Not sure if you are pulling my leg but yeah it was a movie. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2802144/

 

[tig_prmz]

The 1st AZ wrecked me :-( .. I'm of an older vintage so therefore i had my 1st AZ jab several weeks + ago .. within hours of getting the jab I started getting a bad head ache, then i had sweats but feeling very cold .. then in a few days the pain set in across the top of my shoulders and back .. and i developed a throat / chest cough that wouldnt go away and i was now having difficulties breathing .. !!

After ringing my Dr he suggested I go to hospital and I was admitted for 5 days into the infectious disease ward .. a breathing mask and tubes down my throat, drips connected, and in a room that had a plastic screen that people had to use a zipper to get in .. and the nurses wore astronaut like suits .. !!

Speaking with Doctors, they said if I had told them that I had my 1st AZ jab .. they were going to put in down as a fully blown COVID patient .. !! I have been told that the 1st AZ jab kicks ya .. and 2nd one is just a small top up .. but with the Pfizer jabs its the other way round .. 1st jab is a small intro and the 2nd one is the kicker .. !! Good luck folks.

That sucks to hear!

As I said previously, I'm 27 and had AZ. The first dose really kicked me too for 2 days, but didn't require intubation or even hospital.

Hope you get well soon

 

[mike]

The 1st AZ wrecked me :-( .. I'm of an older vintage so therefore i had my 1st AZ jab several weeks + ago .. within hours of getting the jab I started getting a bad head ache, then i had sweats but feeling very cold .. then in a few days the pain set in across the top of my shoulders and back .. and i developed a throat / chest cough that wouldnt go away and i was now having difficulties breathing .. !!

After ringing my Dr he suggested I go to hospital and I was admitted for 5 days into the infectious disease ward .. a breathing mask and tubes down my throat, drips connected, and in a room that had a plastic screen that people had to use a zipper to get in .. and the nurses wore astronaut like suits .. !!

Speaking with Doctors, they said if I had told them that I had my 1st AZ jab .. they were going to put in down as a fully blown COVID patient .. !! I have been told that the 1st AZ jab kicks ya .. and 2nd one is just a small top up .. but with the Pfizer jabs its the other way round .. 1st jab is a small intro and the 2nd one is the kicker .. !! Good luck folks.

Wow, hospitalisation is not fun. I only had a headache for a couple of days after my first AZ. Had my 2nd AZ yesterday (24hrs ago) and so far no ill effects.

 

[cochise]

I am happy for people to not get measles, rubella, smallpox vaccines. The risk of transmission and infection is extremely low and rare now (cough cough, I wonder why). But our risk of transmission and infection of COVID is very high comparatively.

Human race has survived and has lived long due to scientific advances. Yes our bodies are strong but without medicine, our life expectancy would be 30

I truer word has never been written. I would be blind as a bat and dead at least twice if it wasn’t for modern medicine.

I've watched footy with you mate, I think you may be blind already. ;p

 

[WeststigsRdaBest]

Actually even one puff of a cigarette can cause health issues to the body so that rules out that comparison, so the point still stands…however I respect your opinion to be vaccinated straight away, I just can’t in good faith do the same…yet! Given some time and once full effects of the vaccine is shown to be safe my tune will change, as of now with the current climate in the political world, I’ll be staying clear of anything the government tries to force on us. Stay woke my g…trust no one.

I can only say it one more time - the vaccine has been provide to be safe, already. It's already been proven to be safe. Safe it has proven to be.

The FDA (US), TGA (AU), EMA (EU), MFDS (Korea), PMDA (Japan)... all the world's drug regulatory agencies independently assess medications for approval, so you have multiple expert bodies assessing safety and efficacy data for local use.

The vaccines have already gone into the arms of hundreds of millions, and eventually it will be billions of people. You will see safety data very easily with that level of administration. It would be very obvious if there are serious safety concerns with that weight of data.

My other question is, assuming you are a layperson for medical / drug development - what do you believe is "adequate time" to assess safety of a vaccine? 3 months? 6 months? 18 months? 5 years? I am going to guess you don't actually have a clue and have never before assessed safety data for a drug.

Your last comment about politics - you reckon, what, all the governments of the world are colluding to get their people to vaccinate, and you are suspicious? To what end? What is the purpose of getting everyone vaccinated, if not to protect their safety? Every government on Earth encouraging their countrymen and women to get the shot. Aren't most conspiracies supposed to be done clandestine, not as a consensus, not out in the open?

How can a drug have been proven to be completely safe without any long term affects being observed?
I accept the fact that a vaccine may be the only way to combat the virus, but you can’t assure anyone of the safety of this vaccine...considering they keep adapting it and changing it, I’ll be steering clear till a permanent solution is found. My concerns with the political realm whilst tin foil hat, is that it’s littered with corruption...brah it’s literally Star Wars...time to kick chancellor Palps out. But for real tho if you can’t see what’s going on then your better off getting the jab straight away. Being woke ain’t for everyone. Worlds gotta have sheep, just how society works😉

 

[Papacito]

Got my first Pfizer with no dramas.

My Mrs and a bunch of people from work also had no problems with Pfizer, nor has anyone I know had a problem with AZ.

I have a lot of anti-vax friends, family and co-workers who urge me to do my "research" but get upset when I tell them I did actually do a lot of research by reading medical journals rather than tinfoilhat.net

At this point, I respect any adult's personal choice to not get vaccinated and am not about to lecture, judge, or call them childish names.

*I'm aware I just labelled them anti-vax but did it for the sake of similicity*

 

[tig_prmz]

Actually even one puff of a cigarette can cause health issues to the body so that rules out that comparison, so the point still stands…however I respect your opinion to be vaccinated straight away, I just can’t in good faith do the same…yet! Given some time and once full effects of the vaccine is shown to be safe my tune will change, as of now with the current climate in the political world, I’ll be staying clear of anything the government tries to force on us. Stay woke my g…trust no one.

I can only say it one more time - the vaccine has been provide to be safe, already. It's already been proven to be safe. Safe it has proven to be.

The FDA (US), TGA (AU), EMA (EU), MFDS (Korea), PMDA (Japan)... all the world's drug regulatory agencies independently assess medications for approval, so you have multiple expert bodies assessing safety and efficacy data for local use.

The vaccines have already gone into the arms of hundreds of millions, and eventually it will be billions of people. You will see safety data very easily with that level of administration. It would be very obvious if there are serious safety concerns with that weight of data.

My other question is, assuming you are a layperson for medical / drug development - what do you believe is "adequate time" to assess safety of a vaccine? 3 months? 6 months? 18 months? 5 years? I am going to guess you don't actually have a clue and have never before assessed safety data for a drug.

Your last comment about politics - you reckon, what, all the governments of the world are colluding to get their people to vaccinate, and you are suspicious? To what end? What is the purpose of getting everyone vaccinated, if not to protect their safety? Every government on Earth encouraging their countrymen and women to get the shot. Aren't most conspiracies supposed to be done clandestine, not as a consensus, not out in the open?

How can a drug have been proven to be completely safe without any long term affects being observed?
I accept the fact that a vaccine may be the only way to combat the virus, but you can’t assure anyone of the safety of this vaccine...considering they keep adapting it and changing it, I’ll be steering clear till a permanent solution is found. My concerns with the political realm whilst tin foil hat, is that it’s littered with corruption...brah it’s literally Star Wars...time to kick chancellor Palps out. But for real tho if you can’t see what’s going on then your better off getting the jab straight away. Being woke ain’t for everyone. Worlds gotta have sheep, just how society works😉

I understand but I think what @jirskyr is trying to say is the technology through which its developed is safe. Again, don't trust politicians but the scientists. They keep adapting and changing because that's what science is.

 

[fibrodreaming]

I think you have misinterpreted the data.

No, I don’t believe that I have misinterpreted the data, I believe that you are confusing overall risk (or absolute risk), with the Infection Fatality Rate.

One’s overall risk of dying of Covid is a function of two things:

First, how likely am I to catch Covid; and
Second, if I were to catch Covid, how likely am I to die ?

The Australian Government has given us the answer to the first question. In a bad outbreak we could expect 3.5% of the population to catch Covid.

The risk of dying if one catches Covid is represented by the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of a disease. The IFR is the total number of deaths divided by the total number of people who catch Covid.

So its 3/3,544 death rate (0.08%) not 3/100K that you quoted. The other ~96.5K didn’t get COVID, they can’t die from it and nothing exists to be prevented.

The calculation you make above is the IFR. That does not represent the overall risk of dying of Covid, it represents the risk of dying if one catches it.

To calculate the overall risk of dying one needs to take into account that (in the Government’s worst-case scenario) 95.5% of the population will not catch Covid.

It is not I who has misrepresented the data. It is you who has mistaken the IFR for absolute risk.

You raise many other points that I believe are contestable, but I don’t want to turn this into a long to-ing and fro-ing, so I’ll leave it there.

 

[fibrodreaming]

What is really important in the data, I think, is how many vaccinated people presented to hospital at all - only 12% of the total case load.

Actually, the table does break the data down between under and over 50.

I agree it’s interesting that the vaccinated are underrepresented in the hospital admissions. It’s also interesting that the vaccinated are overrepresented in the deaths. But there will be good reasons for that.

But you don’t mention the most interesting stat in that table – the case fatality rate of the delta variant (CFR). It’s very low.

 

[fibrodreaming]

I have not chosen not to be vaccinated. I have chosen not to be vaccinated with an experimental gene therapy.

Ah, not experimental any more, approved. Every drug pre-approval is experimental, i.e. the AZ vaccine was experimental, the Novavax vaccine IS experimental here (until it isn't).

Also what is specifically wrong with gene therapy, apart from the potential "scare" of the term?

When I say “experimental” I mean that the vaccine trials still have a couple of years to run and that the have been given Emergency Use Authorisation (EAU) at least that’s the term in the USA.

With regard to my concerns with “gene therapy” there is too much to say here. I would simply ask: what does the long term safety data tell us about the gene therapy vaccines ?

Of course, that’s a rhetorical question – there are no long term safety data.

I’ve said too much already on these topics so I think I will exit this thread, otherwise I could go on and on.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Three people under the age of 40 in intensive care now.

Apparently no comorbidities, kinda puts a nail in the theory that only old folk are at risk.

 

[innsaneink]

2nd AZ jab yesterday... A bit tired yesterday but late not and early.morning as well

Weird today.. sore feet and knees when walking