Hawkeye for forward passes?

[since 57]

Very difficult for referees to judge whether the ball comes out of the hands forwards or backward .How about more lines on the field and the ball must be received at a level behind where it was passed.Make it a lot easier for the refs.

 

[TigerSJ]

@jirskyr

Hey J, love your video work!

 

[barra]

This is why a sensor in the ball wouldn’t work because even passes thrown backwards out of the hand still travel forwards if measured from point of release to point the ball is caught

Ball technology would work. It's about the change in the forward speed of the ball after it leaves the hands... if it slows down (in terms of its forward speed) it is effectively travelling backward but if it speeds up it has been thrown forward. Regardless of the speed of the player.

Think of it in a 2 dimensional sense, viewing from above, with only the forward momentum and change of speeds being considered.

 

[TIGER]

Very difficult for referees to judge whether the ball comes out of the hands forwards or backward .How about more lines on the field and the ball must be received at a level behind where it was passed.Make it a lot easier for the refs.

Every third pass would be called forward if the ball had to be received behind where it was passed.

 

[Bengali_wolf]

At what point should we be taking into account the earths rotation when deciding if the ball was thrown backwards or not?

In all seriousness, I reckon we're over complicating it by introducing more technology.

If forward passes are such a big deal, change the rule to say the ball must not be caught in front of where it was passed. I'm sure players who pass while they're running down the ground would adapt their style to match the rules.

Personally, I think the forward passes aren't that big of a deal. I'd rather see them work out how to stop players lying all over the ruck, or at least make it even for both teams. I can live with some lineball forward pass decisions, but the slowing down of the play the ball is very frustrating to watch.

 

[happy_tiger]

I really do agree Matt , but like most things in the game you'll seeing a pass 4 metres forward because the coaches are abusing the latitude that they are given

It is so stupid , brought it up in another thread , but it what over sport do you see coaches and their staff purposely trying to rort new rule changes

If only the NRL had a big enough set you could fix many problems

If you are seen practising wrestle at training you get stripped the 2 points from the win / or side caught paying a wrestling coach they get docked all their points

Salary Cap auditor at every club who observes every step of every contract ...any club caught breaking the rules can't sign the player they were negotiating with

 

[happy_tiger]

I really do agree Matt , but like most things in the game you'll seeing a pass 4 metres forward because the coaches are abusing the latitude that they are given

It is so stupid , brought it up in another thread , but it what other sport do you see coaches and their staff purposely trying to rort new rule changes

If only the NRL had a big enough set you could fix many problems

If you are seen practising wrestle at training you get stripped the 2 points from the win / or side caught paying a wrestling coach they get docked all their points

Salary Cap auditor at every club who observes every step of every contract ...any club caught breaking the rules can't sign the player they were negotiating with

 

[the_third]

There was a Hawkeye container on the ground at the Leichhardt game against N Qld, right in front of me. Took a pic. So I guess they are already testing it

 

[jirskyr]

If forward passes are such a big deal, change the rule to say the ball must not be caught in front of where it was passed. I’m sure players who pass while they’re running down the ground would adapt their style to match the rules.

I already showed above that this does not work, because a backwards pass can travel forward due to momentum. Corey Thompson's try that I screenshot-ted above would include a forward pass by the definition of "catching behind the passer". You really propose to call back plays like that and force players to only ever pass to a position on the field behind where they are currently standing? IMO that's going to introduce hundreds of forward passes that are not so and are contrary to everyone's understanding of rugby league. It would also call into question basically every single line break because I would submit that 90% of top-speed passes are caught in front of where the pass was originally thrown, simply due to velocity.

@TIGER's suggestion also doesn't work - the proposal that you must be standing behind the passer when the ball leaves his hands, like for kicks. Because as kicks illustrate, you can very easily kick deliberately forwards to a person who was originally standing behind you. Imagine the same thing permitted with NFL-style passes.

The only solution I can conceive cannot involve a "simplification" of the rule, because the rule itself is simple: "a throw towards the opponents' dead ball line".
http://www.rlif.com/ignite_docs/Rugby%20League%20International%20Laws%20of%20the%20Game%20-%20Oct%202017.pdf
The RLIF notes make reference to the physics of a pass being relative to the player passing and not the ground.
>The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass

The solution must be technologically-based (most likely chip-in-ball), or we just keep everything as it is and accept the inevitable forward-pass errors. I personally find forward passes fairly frustrating, esp the casual ones out of DH that are routinely missed. Damien Cook and Jake Granville would be in for a hell of a time if refs actually pulled up all their FPs.

And FPs are currently the only infringement that a sighted video ref cannot rule upon, which makes them an outlier.

 

[Russell]

Very difficult for referees to judge whether the ball comes out of the hands forwards or backward .How about more lines on the field and the ball must be received at a level behind where it was passed.Make it a lot easier for the refs.

Every third pass would be called forward if the ball had to be received behind where it was passed.

Don't think so Tiger, the players would soon stop it if it is a penalty, especially the DH.

 

[Harvey]

Knowing the NRL they would install a sensor in the ball that needs to be pointing in a certain direction to judge whether it went forward.

70% of calls would be wrong.

 

[Jock Koss]

@happy_tiger you mean the Roosters would be caught cheating ? Crock of crap mate

 

[Bengali_wolf]

@jirskyr i think the point I was making that the simple solution would be to make it easier for the on field referees to rule on forward passes.

However, I don't think we should change the rule. In my opinion, forward passes aren't such a big deal and I think adding technology to pick them up would be the wrong direction for the game. I think we need to just back the referee to make a judgement call and be OK for them to get it wrong sometimes.

We seem to expect perfection from the officials but there are plenty of rules which are subjective and wouldn't be able to be subject to technology. For example, how long can a player lay in the ruck? It's purely a judgement call for the ref.

 

[happy_tiger]

Still reckon if they maintained the old rule for a penalty for a forward pass on slow /speed movement forward passes they would disappear in a week .......