Home Ground situation needs to change
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cochise
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@MAGPIES1963 said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051202) said:
They were posted on skyscrapercity.
@MAGPIES1963 said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051202) said:
No I am fine, just don't have any respect for religions that claim to represent good but are infact, unethical, morally bankrupt, evil organisations. Most religions cause more harm than good in our society.
cochise
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@Curly_Tiger said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051203) said:
ANZ in intimate mode.
gallagher
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@cochise said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051210) said:
The curtains to create the intimate mode are essential. Sounds like i'm designing a bedroom.
cochise
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@gallagher said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051214) said:
In that picture they don't come down near as much as I expected, that would still be about 50k
gallagher
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@cochise said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051215) said:
It's only an artist's impression. Im sure the whole top deck would be covered.... maybe.
cochise
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@gallagher said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051217) said:
I would hope so, that and the huge concourse areas are my only concerns with this design, that concourse must be 15 to 20 metres wide!
Ive tried internet searching but cant seem to find anything. I recall some time ago the NRL released some standards upon which club suburban grounds should have / will require. From memory it was around the time Bulldogs were about to redevelop Belmore Oval (2010'ish????)
Does anybody have these 'required' standards handy as I think it would inform discussion - particularly in regard to Campbelltown & Leichhardt as I'd reckon both are out of scope with those standards and would require lots of club $$$ to met those stanrds as I cant see any State / Federal funds forthcoming.
If they're out that leaves Parra and Homebush (once redeveloped) as the choices with an outside chance of the Moore Park ground too once redeveloped.
Does anybody have these 'required' standards handy as I think it would inform discussion - particularly in regard to Campbelltown & Leichhardt as I'd reckon both are out of scope with those standards and would require lots of club $$$ to met those stanrds as I cant see any State / Federal funds forthcoming.
If they're out that leaves Parra and Homebush (once redeveloped) as the choices with an outside chance of the Moore Park ground too once redeveloped.
cochise
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@2005magic said in [Home Ground situation needs to change](/post/1051342) said:
This is from 2015
https://www.smartconnection.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/NRL-Venue-Minimum-Standards-DRAFT.pdf
cochise
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I found this while looking for NRL venue minimum requirements, it is a number of years old but thought it could add to this discussion.
WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium
LEICHHARDT OVAL
Capacity: 20,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).
Revenue
Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.
Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)
Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)
Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.
Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).
CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM
Capacity: 20,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).
Revenue
Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.
Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)
Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)
Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.
Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)
ANZ STADIUM
Capacity: 82,000
Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000
Revenue
ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.
Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)
Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).
Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)
Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.
Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.
Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.
They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.
‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.
‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.
WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium
LEICHHARDT OVAL
Capacity: 20,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).
Revenue
Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.
Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)
Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)
Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.
Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).
CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM
Capacity: 20,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).
Revenue
Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.
Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)
Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)
Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.
Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)
ANZ STADIUM
Capacity: 82,000
Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000
Revenue
ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.
Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)
Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).
Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)
Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.
Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.
Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.
They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.
‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.
‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.
G'day @2005magic: Bank Wests fails as it is plainly and obviously Parras home ground. Moore Park? Why would you force people to drive into the big smoke and then pay exorbitant parking fees when you get there. Alternatively, why should we have to endure hours possibly, of public transport?
I feel Vey Strongly our club should relocate to Campbelltown, but if that can't be done, Homebush with a roof as Cochise showed us, would be amazing.
I feel Vey Strongly our club should relocate to Campbelltown, but if that can't be done, Homebush with a roof as Cochise showed us, would be amazing.
@MAGPIES1963 Hi. I've said somewhere a lot earlier I prefer Homebush when it's revamped. I too can't imagine Bankwest as anything but temporary. I think Leichhardt is now too congested and a bit difficult to get to in terms of public transport for non inner west fans. Campbelltown is possible but needs a big investment in a revamp and I'm not sure it will be popular as it's not too central to things. I have gone there for a couple of games many many years ago. As an old Croydon boy I certainly think Homebush to be the most central to our district and easier to get to by most than either Campbelltown, Leichhardt or Bankwest / Parramatta. I only threw in the Moore Park thought as it could be reasonably accessible but certainly not in our patch.
One thing for sure good old Lidcombe Oval is out as too Pratten Park- both haunts in my youth supporting the Magpies growing up.
One thing for sure good old Lidcombe Oval is out as too Pratten Park- both haunts in my youth supporting the Magpies growing up.
A Very Good G'day @2005magic: Wow, Mate. Another Croydon, Pratten Park and Lidcombe Oval, Tigers supporter. How exciting!!!, as there doesn't seem to be many of Us left.
Judging by this forum I suggest we are outnumbered 2 to 1 at least by Balmain supporters [dont think for 1 second I am rehashing Tigers V Magpies rivalry, folks].
Now back to the main thread.
Lidcombe Oval as a possible home ground..why not?
I don't know the area at all now as I have lived in regional N.S.W. for many years, but if it is still at least similar to what it was way back when, I feel it would be just about perfect as a spot to build a new and exciting 'Wests Tigers Stadium'. Who cares about where the $$$$$$ will come from...just get it built!!!!!
Well done @2005magic 😛oint_up: :v: :relaxed:
Judging by this forum I suggest we are outnumbered 2 to 1 at least by Balmain supporters [dont think for 1 second I am rehashing Tigers V Magpies rivalry, folks].
Now back to the main thread.
Lidcombe Oval as a possible home ground..why not?
I don't know the area at all now as I have lived in regional N.S.W. for many years, but if it is still at least similar to what it was way back when, I feel it would be just about perfect as a spot to build a new and exciting 'Wests Tigers Stadium'. Who cares about where the $$$$$$ will come from...just get it built!!!!!
Well done @2005magic 😛oint_up: :v: :relaxed:
gallagher
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@MAGPIES1963 Pleanty of room for a stadium and parking, close to the train, close to the M4. I'm in.
innsaneink
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Hahaha yeah build a new stadium @ Lidcombe, 10 mins away from ANZ and 20 from bankwest... I'm sure that will go down well