Hooker position - Thread

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Tonight just proves that we need a running dummy half… It just tears the defence apart and makes them stay tight in the middle. More time for our halves to work as well..

Teams that are getting out of dummy half and engaging the markers are the ones winning. The block play is officially dead.

Our hookers arent set up for this, McIllwrick for instance was brought in to shuffle it out to Brooks and Moses. Liddle is the great white hope but we are in trouble if his body isnt right.
 
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I'd rather we play with 12 men on the field than bring him back.

Unfortunately with the present guy it often is only 12 men on the field though we are paying for 13.

He will be known as soft jaw and certain to be targeted.

Do you actually watch these games BBF or do you just look at the myriad of photos and memorabilia you have on the mantelpiece.

The guy is 21, came back with no pre-season after two shoulder reconstructions and a very bad sternum injury and has played 8 games so far this year. Make no mistake this kid can play.

I get RF is a God to you but putting rubbish on a good young player like Liddle so you can talk RF up, does nothing for your credibility.
 
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I'd rather we play with 12 men on the field than bring him back.

Unfortunately with the present guy it often is only 12 men on the field though we are paying for 13.

He will be known as soft jaw and certain to be targeted.

Do you actually watch these games BBF or do you just look at the myriad of photos and memorabilia you have on the mantelpiece.

The guy is 21, came back with no pre-season after two shoulder reconstructions and a very bad sternum injury and has played 8 games so far this year. Make no mistake this kid can play.

I get RF is a God to you but putting rubbish on a good young player like Liddle so you can talk RF up, does nothing for your credibility.

I don' t doubt what you say at all about Jacob, as I have stated earlier he is a chip off the old block. You then claimed that the old block was full of splinters but common opinion is that it is still tough as nails. Of course Jacob is expected to be the long term answer but he hadn't done the necessary body strengthening. So strictly speaking he was not yet ready for NRL.

Now unfortunately the world does not spinning until he is ready. We don't want the 2018 season down the drain if it can be prevented. That is the only consideration.

Russ mate, you got into the mud first by saying they are better off with only 12 players - if you can't take it then don't dish it out. Still love youse all.
 
What about bringing back our old buddy Manaia Cherrington. Wasnt he supposed to be the next big then for us and then never really got the chance to deliver, I liked him as a player and Yes he probably thought he was bigger then the club at times, but he had potential. Where is he now, Not even playing ISP for the Warriors so many would say hes not worth it, But he could hardly do any worse then what we've got going on at the moment
 
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Liddle is in and out through injuries. We can't just assume he's going to be fully fit and come good. Shame we couldn't nab Wayde Egan from panthers. That kid can play..

He is my mates son
 
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I'd rather we play with 12 men on the field than bring him back.

Unfortunately with the present guy it often is only 12 men on the field though we are paying for 13.

He will be known as soft jaw and certain to be targeted.

Do you actually watch these games BBF or do you just look at the myriad of photos and memorabilia you have on the mantelpiece.

The guy is 21, came back with no pre-season after two shoulder reconstructions and a very bad sternum injury and has played 8 games so far this year. Make no mistake this kid can play.

I get RF is a God to you but putting rubbish on a good young player like Liddle so you can talk RF up, does nothing for your credibility.

I don' t doubt what you say at all about Jacob, as I have stated earlier he is a chip off the old block. You then claimed that the old block was full of splinters but common opinion is that it is still tough as nails. Of course Jacob is expected to be the long term answer but he hadn't done the necessary body strengthening. So strictly speaking he was not yet ready for NRL.

Now unfortunately the world does not spinning until he is ready. We don't want the 2018 season down the drain if it can be prevented. That is the only consideration.

Russ mate, you got into the mud first by saying they are better off with only 12 players - if you can't take it then don't dish it out. Still love youse all.

If it makes you feel better…..

Pile it on BBF - I can take it.

Had experts pile it on over the years, I'm still standing.
 
For all the Liddle knockers, if he went on the open market now there would be plenty pf high profile clubs after his signature. The Storm wanted him as Smith's under study and they have a pretty good idea on football talent. Also the chooks were sniffing around as Friend is on the slide.

The kid will be a real class no9, but this year might just be about getting his body back in order
 
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I'd rather we play with 12 men on the field than bring him back.

Unfortunately with the present guy it often is only 12 men on the field though we are paying for 13.

He will be known as soft jaw and certain to be targeted.

Do you actually watch these games BBF or do you just look at the myriad of photos and memorabilia you have on the mantelpiece.

The guy is 21, came back with no pre-season after two shoulder reconstructions and a very bad sternum injury and has played 8 games so far this year. Make no mistake this kid can play.

I get RF is a God to you but putting rubbish on a good young player like Liddle so you can talk RF up, **does nothing for your credibility.**

Cmon Russ … you, of all people, can't talk of credibility.
I agree with you that Liddle can play, and is our future no 9.
Also recall you, in a never ending loop, saying how wonderful Mitch Moses was and how we could build the club around him.... until he left and, in the blink of an eye, became a talentless bum you were glad to be rid of.
 
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For all the Liddle knockers, if he went on the open market now there would be plenty pf high profile clubs after his signature. The Storm wanted him as Smith's under study and they have a pretty good idea on football talent. Also the chooks were sniffing around as Friend is on the slide.

The kid will be a real class no9, but this year might just be about getting his body back in order

So you're prepared to write the season off for player? A player whose reliability is in severe doubt due to niggling injuries? I'm not in any way saying get rid of him. I too think he is potentially future class for the team. BUT….. for this season, at least, we need someone that can stand in for him. We have a limited opportunity of 2 and bit further weeks before the window closes to get a back up hooker that Cleary would want. The existing ones in McIlwrick and Godinet for whatever reasons cant do it. It is not good enough to continue the ad hoc nature of filling the position until / if Liddle comes good injury and strength wise.

I dont think we should willingly write off a season for one player.
 
Was McIllwrick contract extension done by JT or Ivan. Surprised Liddle is even playing in ISP considering the Sternum Injury.
 
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Wonder how many minutes Liddle will see in ISP considering Killer is in the team also

Don't see how that comes into it. Liddle starts and plays as long as he can. MMCW comes on if/when the Liddle needs a break. Matt could even play a bit of lock if needs be or drop out altogether
 
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I'd rather we play with 12 men on the field than bring him back.

Unfortunately with the present guy it often is only 12 men on the field though we are paying for 13.

He will be known as soft jaw and certain to be targeted.

Do you actually watch these games BBF or do you just look at the myriad of photos and memorabilia you have on the mantelpiece.

The guy is 21, came back with no pre-season after two shoulder reconstructions and a very bad sternum injury and has played 8 games so far this year. Make no mistake this kid can play.

I get RF is a God to you but putting rubbish on a good young player like Liddle so you can talk RF up, does nothing for your credibility.

Agree …. Liddle will be our long term answer.
I feel that he just was not either physically or mentally ready for first grade this year.
Good off season with carefully managed build up physically .... and you will see that we have a good player in making. I really think that his confidence is way down.
As far as RF .... I am a fan for simple reason that he would be v good short term solution.
 
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I'd rather we play with 12 men on the field than bring him back.

Unfortunately with the present guy it often is only 12 men on the field though we are paying for 13.

He will be known as soft jaw and certain to be targeted.

Do you actually watch these games BBF or do you just look at the myriad of photos and memorabilia you have on the mantelpiece.

The guy is 21, came back with no pre-season after two shoulder reconstructions and a very bad sternum injury and has played 8 games so far this year. Make no mistake this kid can play.

I get RF is a God to you but putting rubbish on a good young player like Liddle so you can talk RF up, **does nothing for your credibility.**

Cmon Russ … you, of all people, can't talk of credibility.
I agree with you that Liddle can play, and is our future no 9.
Also recall you, in a never ending loop, saying how wonderful Mitch Moses was and how we could build the club around him.... until he left and, in the blink of an eye, became a talentless bum you were glad to be rid of.

Now, now - don't recall calling him a talentless bum.

Did say he could be anything, and they could build a club around him - yes.

It was not a blink of an eye, but over quite a few weeks of watching and listening to a "drama" unfold.

However that was before he went off the rails, crapped on about a mental disorder because we wouldn't let him go and then worst of all tanked in games.

I think I was entitled to change my mind about him - to maintain credability.

Still think he is a massive talent - but his head is getting in the way and probably always will.

You are saying I was incorrect in changing my mind about him?
 
I think Ivan is looking at it with Liddle out there is room for one of the below.

**Reynolds** v **Killer** v **Pita**

None have shown they can give quality service for 80 minutes which is not surprising.

And Reynolds wins because he offers more in attack and <big>**ENERGY**</big>.

Hopefully we get 60 minutes from Reynols this week and Liddle plays a good game in ISP.
 
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I think Ivan is looking at it with Liddle out there is room for one of the below.

**Reynolds** v **Killer** v **Pita**

None have shown they can give quality service for 80 minutes which is not surprising.

And Reynolds wins because he offers more in attack and <big>**ENERGY**</big>.

Hopefully we get 60 minutes from Reynols this week and Liddle plays a good game in ISP.

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**Reynolds** v **Killer** v **Pita** v **Marshall**
To me Marshall upgrades the 9 so much more then Pita. He can do everything that Pita can and I reckon his body has adjusted to the knocks of league a little better.

Reynolds, Unless he actually trains there and really gives it a go I don't think he can take the position. We hired him as an energetic gritty 5/8 who can't really pass. At hooker he has the energy for it (Except he doesn't from our experience of him playing there) But we don't want a hooker who can't get the ball to Brooks or the 5/8.

There are some Great running Hookers, Farah would have to be one of the best running hookers. Clearly our record against Melbourne has benefited because Farah could take on Smith (not equal him, but take him on). Damien Cook has that great grit to him and that running game with a great pass.

If were not going to put Marshall at 9, and we should even if he goes there from the Bench. Then we need to teach Killer how to pass. He is our only option.
 
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Was McIllwrick contract extension done by JT or Ivan. Surprised Liddle is even playing in ISP considering the Sternum Injury.

Ivan

If thats the case, you would have to wonder whether McIllwricks form has deteriorated that much in Ivans eyes, or is there some other reason for his exclusion.
 
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I think Ivan is looking at it with Liddle out there is room for one of the below.

**Reynolds** v **Killer** v **Pita**

None have shown they can give quality service for 80 minutes which is not surprising.

And Reynolds wins because he offers more in attack and <big>**ENERGY**</big>.

Hopefully we get 60 minutes from Reynols this week and Liddle plays a good game in ISP.

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**Reynolds** v **Killer** v **Pita** v **Marshall**
To me Marshall upgrades the 9 so much more then Pita. He can do everything that Pita can and I reckon his body has adjusted to the knocks of league a little better.

Reynolds, Unless he actually trains there and really gives it a go I don't think he can take the position. We hired him as an energetic gritty 5/8 who can't really pass. At hooker he has the energy for it (Except he doesn't from our experience of him playing there) But we don't want a hooker who can't get the ball to Brooks or the 5/8.

There are some Great running Hookers, Farah would have to be one of the best running hookers. Clearly our record against Melbourne has benefited because Farah could take on Smith (not equal him, but take him on). Damien Cook has that great grit to him and that running game with a great pass.

If were not going to put Marshall at 9, and we should even if he goes there from the Bench. Then we need to teach Killer how to pass. He is our only option.

Reynolds was just on the news talking about playing hooker, he said " People think I have played a lot of hooker and know the position", he said " That is not true, I don't know the position at all".
All the more reason to get him to six ASAP, plus Benji has gone back to old Benji 6 weeks ago and is holding us back :angry:
 

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