Hooker situation

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Best defender in our backline by a long way.

 

[JC99]

All will be revealed around the hooking role over the next 6 weeks or so . Jacob has a major issue with his defence he isn't a hit and stick type defender this again was obvious on Sunday , he is going to be exposed big time in this area .There could be some apprehension there due to previous shoulder issues,i hope this is the case as the guy deserves a good dig at the role .

Don't think there is an issue with his defence from what I have seen myself.

I'm not sure what game some people are watching, his defence is outstanding.

It's good enough, wouldn't say outstanding. He does fall off one or two tackles, but so does Simpkin

No one makes 100%. In that last trial he made 3 in a row on the line at one stage, all on hard running forwards. He'll do me.

Tell that to Twal! Yeah Liddle is fine In degence for sure, not really a worry for him

 

[hank37w]

Here we are debating who is the best hooker, seriously i don't know. A few weeks ago people were crying out for Cheese, then Mc Innes, what a crap fight we would have now if we bought one of those, 3 hookers ?

Don't know about anyone else but my interest in both the block of cheese and McInnes was predominantly for the # 13 because I think we already have the #9 pretty well covered.

As it turns out we really dodged a bullet with the McInnes injury and the cheese doesn't really want to go anywhere unless it's to play in the #9 jumper.

 

[Tiger5150]

Here we are debating who is the best hooker, seriously i don't know. A few weeks ago people were crying out for Cheese, then Mc Innes, what a crap fight we would have now if we bought one of those, 3 hookers ?

Don't know about anyone else but my interest in both the block of cheese and McInnes was predominantly for the # 13 because I think we already have the #9 pretty well covered.

As it turns out we really dodged a bullet with the McInnes injury and the cheese doesn't really want to go anywhere unless it's to play in the #9 jumper.

We still would have had 3 hookers, alternatively the Cheese/McInnes would have kept Twal/Joffa/Tuki out of the 17, not my preference.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Here we are debating who is the best hooker, seriously i don't know. A few weeks ago people were crying out for Cheese, then Mc Innes, what a crap fight we would have now if we bought one of those, 3 hookers ?

Don't know about anyone else but my interest in both the block of cheese and McInnes was predominantly for the # 13 because I think we already have the #9 pretty well covered.

As it turns out we really dodged a bullet with the McInnes injury and the cheese doesn't really want to go anywhere unless it's to play in the #9 jumper.


We still would have had 3 hookers, alternatively the Cheese/McInnes would have kept Twal/Joffa/Tuki out of the 17, not my preference.

Wasn't fussed with either potential additional hooker/lock signing, but preference wise and despite knowing the limitations on trials, I would have liked to see how Tuki went up against the starting Manly pack and side in general for a better evaluation.

Who knows how he will turn out, but the kid, and that is what he is for a forward, just on first impressions looks so likely to excel for mine. Different style of player, but haven't been this excited in a Tigers forward since a similarly young Bruce Parnell had his future shattered along with his leg playing for Balmain in the eighties. Probably opened the door for Sironen though and surprisingly he ended going alright.

 

[Tiger5150]

Here we are debating who is the best hooker, seriously i don't know. A few weeks ago people were crying out for Cheese, then Mc Innes, what a crap fight we would have now if we bought one of those, 3 hookers ?

Don't know about anyone else but my interest in both the block of cheese and McInnes was predominantly for the # 13 because I think we already have the #9 pretty well covered.

As it turns out we really dodged a bullet with the McInnes injury and the cheese doesn't really want to go anywhere unless it's to play in the #9 jumper.


We still would have had 3 hookers, alternatively the Cheese/McInnes would have kept Twal/Joffa/Tuki out of the 17, not my preference.

Wasn't fussed with either potential additional hooker/lock signing, but preference wise and despite knowing the limitations on trials, I would have liked to see how Tuki went up against the starting Manly pack and side in general for a better evaluation.

Who knows how he will turn out, but the kid, and that is what he is for a forward, just on first impressions looks so likely to excel for mine. Different style of player, but haven't been this excited in a Tigers forward since a similarly young Bruce Parnell had his future shattered along with his leg playing for Balmain in the eighties. Probably opened the door for Sironen though and surprisingly he ended going alright.

I agree with you regarding Tuki, but he is still VERY young for a forward, I hope he isnt rushed.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Here we are debating who is the best hooker, seriously i don't know. A few weeks ago people were crying out for Cheese, then Mc Innes, what a crap fight we would have now if we bought one of those, 3 hookers ?

Don't know about anyone else but my interest in both the block of cheese and McInnes was predominantly for the # 13 because I think we already have the #9 pretty well covered.

As it turns out we really dodged a bullet with the McInnes injury and the cheese doesn't really want to go anywhere unless it's to play in the #9 jumper.


We still would have had 3 hookers, alternatively the Cheese/McInnes would have kept Twal/Joffa/Tuki out of the 17, not my preference.

Wasn't fussed with either potential additional hooker/lock signing, but preference wise and despite knowing the limitations on trials, I would have liked to see how Tuki went up against the starting Manly pack and side in general for a better evaluation.

Who knows how he will turn out, but the kid, and that is what he is for a forward, just on first impressions looks so likely to excel for mine. Different style of player, but haven't been this excited in a Tigers forward since a similarly young Bruce Parnell had his future shattered along with his leg playing for Balmain in the eighties. Probably opened the door for Sironen though and surprisingly he ended going alright.


I agree with you regarding Tuki, but he is still VERY young for a forward, I hope he isnt rushed.

That he is, though in the modern game they don't have to worry about a shot from a Lomax, Hopoate or earlier say Boyd, nor even an SBW shoulder.

I don't want him rushed either, but if you're good enough, you're old enough (18 with no Rorters exceptions) and would love to see him on the field for stints against other's bench middles. Not really any different to Stefano or Blore last year and of course Simpkin, who would be fully amongst it in the nine.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.

 

[TrueTiger]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.

Mbye isnt a centre ,but Madge had no real option but play him there,hence recruiting JTJ and BJ for this season,Mbye is an out and out playmaker that definately can cover FB..he was in a bad position with having Luke at 7 and the club icon had to be 6...
For all the people knocking Moses .he is a professional player shited around like no other player in our squad,,,and did his very best considering being shuffled around like musical chairs...Madge has also stated that Mbye has trained very,very well in the 1 during preseason,I hope he gets a go to shut the haters up so he can at least concentrate on the one position...
Laurie will be a deadset demon at FB ,but not just yet,Madge knows what it takes to play against hardened NRL players with seasons behind them and honestly Laurie is still a rookie who is developing...

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.

Mbye isnt a centre ,but Madge had no real option but play him there,hence recruiting JTJ and BJ for this season,Mbye is an out and out playmaker that definately can cover FB..he was in a bad position with having Luke at 7 and the club icon had to be 6...
For all the people knocking Moses .he is a professional player shited around like no other player in our squad,,,and did his very best considering being shuffled around like musical chairs...Madge has also stated that Mbye has trained very,very well in the 1 during preseason,I hope he gets a go to shut the haters up so he can at least concentrate on the one position...
Laurie will be a deadset demon at FB ,but not just yet,Madge knows what it takes to play against hardened NRL players with seasons behind them and honestly Laurie is still a rookie who is developing...

I’m not a hater, I was a fan of him at the Dogs but he just hasn’t had luck with injuries here. It feels like a Tiger curse whenever we pay big money. I’d be going with Laurie simply because I’ve had hammy issues and I know they mess with your confidence. He may have had a great pre season but a niggling hammy has ruined that.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.

Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%, which is better than Joseph Manu, Dane Gagai, Curtis Scott and most centres. He is a good defender.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were historically ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.

**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**
Joseph Leilua 83.1%

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.

I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.

Edit: his stats probably look good cos teams were targeting Oporto king.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.

My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.


 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.

Edit: his stats probably look good cos teams were targeting Oporto king.

Oporto King has better tackle efficiency than Mbye, and most of the centres in the game. That doesnt match my own eyes, can only suggest its because it doesnt include teh times he doesnt get a hand on them.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.


Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.