How are we going to attract decent players?

[ricksen]

I'd be willing to bet almost everything I have on our next coach not being Cleary or Toovey. Just because they are the best options available does not make them automatic contenders for the job. What appeal would there be to coach us for a top line coach? Even rookies looking to cut their teeth would almost stay away. We're proven career killers. A coaching change won't suddenly make us winners, our problems run much, much deeper.

I don't disagree, but I think it's still a job that most will go for given it's an NRL head-coaching job.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We can't keep second tier players, what hope have we got of getting anyone here without offering mercenary salaries?

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

The tutelage of the SuperCoach Taylor?
The stability of the club?
The huge amount of money to be made thanks to our salary cap management and the wealth of benefactors supporting the club via 3pa?
Our roster?
Anything?

Cheerleaders.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

You want a coach who will clean the place out and put a broom through it.

Really there is only one person who has a proven record for this, like him or not, he is Brian Smith.

Whether we need a "clean out" or not is debatable, what is clear however is that the club probably can't afford a clean out. They just need to let some of these contracts expire over time.

 

[Harvey]

As long as offering players contracts with options in their favour is not one of the methods we use to attract players

 

[TopTiger]

I'd be willing to bet almost everything I have on our next coach not being Cleary or Toovey. Just because they are the best options available does not make them automatic contenders for the job. What appeal would there be to coach us for a top line coach? Even rookies looking to cut their teeth would almost stay away. We're proven career killers. A coaching change won't suddenly make us winners, our problems run much, much deeper.

I don't disagree, but I think it's still a job that most will go for given it's an NRL head-coaching job.

Nathan Brown took on the Knights so if you are an unemployed NRL standard coach then sometimes beggars can't be choosers. The longer Cleary and Toovey are out of the game the harder it will be down the track to attract interest from an NRL club for a head coaching role (i.e. Top coaching role not the other "head" coaching role).

 

[bigsiro]

Other poor (quality) teams have recruited well in recent years - Cronulla, Parramatta etc.
It's a combination of things: money, opportunity, lifestyle, coaching….
Much like any sales job, you've got to lie through your teeth and hope for the best.

Parra are probably not the best example. They are cheating the cap and will likely be 4points behind us in a week or 2.

I really hope not. They are likely doing nothing different than Roosters, Melb, Broncs et al have been doing for years now. And come on seriously how can NQ retain all those rep players? It's creative accounting and paper bag payments. I say good luck to them. If you can't beat em join em.

 

[underdog]

Farah and Taylor gone,

Hire Ivan Cleary.

Gives us cap space, and a coach people want to work with.

Two Birds, one stone.

 

[ricksen]

Other poor (quality) teams have recruited well in recent years - Cronulla, Parramatta etc.
It's a combination of things: money, opportunity, lifestyle, coaching….
Much like any sales job, you've got to lie through your teeth and hope for the best.

Parra are probably not the best example. They are cheating the cap and will likely be 4points behind us in a week or 2.

I really hope not. They are likely doing nothing different than Roosters, Melb, Broncs et al have been doing for years now. And come on seriously how can NQ retain all those rep players? It's creative accounting and paper bag payments. I say good luck to them. If you can't beat em join em.

The way the Broncos were able to wave away the concerns over the Andrew Gee affair a couple of years ago was absolutely scandalous.
Unfortunately their local media doesn't hold them to account.

The Cowboys will start to lose a few players now I think - Coote being the first.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Suggestions of Brian Smith makes me want to vomit. Money woes aside, that piece of garbage started the whole spiral downward a couple of years back. What an ego driven wannabe that bloke is. Come to think of it, maybe he's a perfect fit.

 

[matchball]

Players don't come because of coaches anymore. That's old hat.
It's the money that attracts players to clubs.
A change of coach isn't what's needed. A change of the old culture still lingers.

 

[foreveratiger]

Players don't come because of coaches anymore. That's old hat.
It's the money that attracts players to clubs.
A change of coach isn't what's needed. A change of the old culture still lingers.

It's a bit of both The Coach and players .

The Coach controls the culture that will be tolerated at his Club and that's where he is responsible .
With our current he doesn't posses that tough Persona he tries to Portray…..players get selected every week regardless of how they played , at least Potter had the guts to bench Benji when he was here and as Potter said he had no control of the affairs of the Club.

The old culture that your referring to ? Farah , Lawrence , Halatau....there the old culture your referring to Yeah ?
Farah has to go as he has been the centre of every problem we have had the last few years and yes we need to build a new culture with him not part of it .
Lawrence deserves a new Contract in his new position at a reduced rate than his on at the moment obviously
Halatau tries hard but is simply past it

So really it's more Farah your referring to ? as this is relatively a young squad.

 

[stevetiger]

Players don't come because of coaches anymore. That's old hat.
It's the money that attracts players to clubs.
A change of coach isn't what's needed. A change of the old culture still lingers.

I agree that players come for money. It's what matters at the end of the day.

I don't agree that we shouldn't change the coach or that the old culture is the problem. If the team isn't performing well enough the coach should go. If there is a culture problem and the coach can't fix that he should go.

I want Taylor to turn this season around and for us to make the finals or even better win the comp. If the team doesn't perform though we have to get rid of him. The idea that Taylor should be protected isn't right. We also may have to get rid of some players.

I'm sick of losing games.

 

[ricksen]

The coach should be driving the culture IMO

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

With Souths dropping Coby Walker this week and keeping Keary, I'd love to see someone having a quiet talk to him. If we can find a way of getting around even one of these one sided contract of our halves, Or one leaves, he would be a great buy.
Has been better than Keary since he was put up. And probably won't stay at Souths if he's not in first grade. As he's certainly good enough to be there
Trouble is that we can't make those type of decisions until the option trigger is pulled by our two stars.

 

[magpiecol]

No use worrying about attracting decent players unless we have a coach with the skills to get the best from them. Imagine if we could get the best from our current roster! But Col's solution is to lay the boot into the players including some of our best youngsters.

Can you read?

Everyone on this forum is "laying the boot in".

If you want to give Brooks and Moses $6 or $7 hundred thousand each then good luck to you. Add that lot to the 900 to a million they will be paying Farah and 700 to Lawrence and how is your salary cap looking?

Do the math.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If Brooks is included as one of our best youngsters then we're in trouble.

 

[ricksen]

With Souths dropping Coby Walker this week and keeping Keary, I'd love to see someone having a quiet talk to him. If we can find a way of getting around even one of these one sided contract of our halves, Or one leaves, he would be a great buy.
Has been better than Keary since he was put up. And probably won't stay at Souths if he's not in first grade. As he's certainly good enough to be there
Trouble is that we can't make those type of decisions until the option trigger is pulled by our two stars.

I've been surprised with the hype about Walker - I don't rate him at all.
He's had some good supercoach scores (and made me some good $$ in doing so!), but in practice he's been pretty ordinary IMO. Keary not much better though, which is a big reason why they've struggled a fair bit.

If we had to throw big money at a half, AReynolds would be one on the short list for me, as he'd compliment either Moses or Brooks very well (coming around to the idea that we'll only keep one of them).

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

With Souths dropping Coby Walker this week and keeping Keary, I'd love to see someone having a quiet talk to him. If we can find a way of getting around even one of these one sided contract of our halves, Or one leaves, he would be a great buy.
Has been better than Keary since he was put up. And probably won't stay at Souths if he's not in first grade. As he's certainly good enough to be there
Trouble is that we can't make those type of decisions until the option trigger is pulled by our two stars.

I've been surprised with the hype about Walker - I don't rate him at all.
He's had some good supercoach scores (and made me some good $$ in doing so!), but in practice he's been pretty ordinary IMO. Keary not much better though, which is a big reason why they've struggled a fair bit.

If we had to throw big money at a half, AReynolds would be one on the short list for me, as he'd compliment either Moses or Brooks very well (coming around to the idea that we'll only keep one of them).

Problem is that Reynolds isn't going anywhere, whereas Walker probably will.
Don't agree with you about Walker though, I'd take him over what we've got now any day