How Benji’s big Tiger risks will change club fortunes in long run

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The past week has been extremely newsworthy for the Wests Tigers.

Star second-rower Isaiah Papali'i was granted permission to speak with other clubs for 2025. He was then snapped up by the Panthers very quickly.

Meanwhile CEO Shane Richardson has reportedly flown to England to discuss the availability of a number of his players.

As strange as this is going to sound, I absolutely love what I am hearing from the Tigers right now.

Talk was that Papali'i may have requested the chance to look at options next season. If this is true, the Tigers have absolutely made the right decision in allowing him to leave.

Will it help results in 2025? Almost certainly not. He's arguably a top three player for the club and his presence will be surely missed.

That said, the Wests Tigers are in a complete rebuild right now and it is far more important to establish a culture.

A culture where players want to be at the club.

A culture where players are targeted and signed based on need and value, rather than just availability.

Ultimately a winning culture!

Despite the negativity on some corners of social media, Marshall and co have accepted that a change needs to be made and embracing the short-term pain for long-term gain.

Regarding Shane Richardson's trip to England, reports are that he is shopping a number of players to Super League clubs.

I have no idea who is supposedly on this reported shopping list but I dare say there are some overpaid and underperforming names in need of some warmer clothes.

Despite some sections of the media already penning Benji Marshall's coaching career obituary, I love what I have seen from the rookie coach to date.

Yes, results aren't great and finals look gone for 2024 but anyone who expected a seismic shift in one off-season is not living in reality.

We've seen the emergence of Lachlan Galvin, a better than expected return on Aidan Sezer and most importantly of all the signing of Jarome Luai.

Most importantly of all though Marshall looks to have implemented a "club first" mentality the Tigers have lacked for many years.

Rumours of players complaining about being trained too hard under Michael Maguire. Premiership winning coach and current NSW Blues coach Michael Maguire.

Players using the Tigers as a shopwindow before demanding releases. See Ryan Matterson.

Targeting former big name players on big money only to see them underperform. I won't name names but there are four or five in the current "strongest 17".

Apisai Koroisau and Jarome Luai are the outliers, but most of the Tigers recent signings have been due to players having little other choice.

I don't want to kick the Tigers while they are down but it's truth!

Again, I don't want to name those players, but again ... we all know who they are.

By showing players, and fans, that the club isn't going to pander to player or agent demands, or is willing to move want-away stars on, they're showing confidence in themselves.

Confident that they can, once again, be a destination club. Confident that they can, once again, be a team that plays finals footy.

How many times have we seen big name players sign for Melbourne, Penrith or the Roosters for "unders"? Players will take under market value money to play for contenders.

Meanwhile the Tigers, currently, have to pay over market value to attract top line stars.

I'm hopeful that the Luai and Api connection can help kickstart a recruitment drive like that enjoyed by the Dogs. A few years ago the Dogs were feasting on scraps. In recent seasons they've attracted names like Matt Burton, Viliame Kikau and Stephen Crichton.

Those recruits will only arrive though if the Tigers can show they are serious.

Letting a supposed want-away star go shows that perhaps they are.

Flying your CEO to England to offer up players you've deemed excess to requirements also says they're getting serious.

There are four of five current Tigers who could go over to England and be stars. Or at least prolong their careers for a few seasons.

That said, they're no longer up to elite NRL standard, at least in the Tigers eyes.

Replacing Papali'i will be difficult but there is no way you can convince me that he's the difference between the Tigers making the eight and not.

If we're talking prime Cooper Cronk then of course the Tigers aren't allowing him to walk away but in Papali'i's case, so be it.

The player market isn't exactly heaving for 2025 right now but three days ago we didn't know Papali'i was going to move either.

With players and agents pushing for moves almost weekly, the Tigers can now sit on a pile of cap space and make smart choices, based on need.

You'd have to travel a long way to find a Tigers fan who would rather support a team without Papali'i in the side than one with him in there.

That said, there isn't a Tigers fan who, having suffered for over a decade now, wouldn't cop another down year or two if it meant a shift for the club long-term.

Benji and co have taken steps to ensure that happens.

Maybe it doesn't. At least they've changed from what they've been doing for ten years now, which absolutely has not worked.
 
Im not happy with many players on the team … why would you be on a team that wins 10 games out of 60?

Having said that ..he is one of the best 7 or 8 players at the club this year .. and just because you decide to move him on early ..doesn’t mean you will replace him with a better player … players in the main don’t want to come here …unless you pay big overs …surely you realise this by now ?

I keep saying that he clearly has value to the premiers who are paying considerable money for him,,. Doesn’t the fact they value him speak volumes about him as a player?

He was only under contract one more year …like I said he would have had to show his best form to get the best new deal possible ( he is only 26 ..) so he would have been motivated to play well whilst you have more time to get him replaced ..and provide another experienced player on the squad …if they wanted to move on players than there are older, more expensive guys they could have started with … but of course no one else wants these guys ..

Just becasue the premiers want him means nothing. The value of a player to the premiers is a different gauge to a struggling club. They have the players there to help him perform well and they know that. His value to us is very little because he has shown he can't improve a weak team. He adds something to a strong team. That's why Penrith signed him. It's irrelevant to our situation.
 
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Just becasue the premiers want him means nothing. The value of a player to the premiers is a different gauge to a struggling club. They have the players there to help him perform well and they know that. His value to us is very little because he has shown he can't improve a weak team. He adds something to a strong team. That's why Penrith signed him. It's irrelevant to our situation.

They would have had a lot more players to choose from. ,..players that want to go there… they aren’t desperate like the Tigers are
 
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They would have had a lot more players to choose from. ,..players that want to go there… they aren’t desperate like the Tigers are

We probably should just leave it here as we are going around in circles, but I just can't agree with your thoughts. Your not happy with a player in our team who is on good money, but you want to keep him because the premiers want him?

Only way out of our mess is to back hungry players looking for opportunities. That's youngsters and experienced players. Turuva doesn't want to play wing, Luai wants to lead a team from halfback etc. They are coming for strong reasons. Papali'i came for no reason and that showed with how he carried on trying to get out of his contract. Good riddance to him.
 
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As predicted.
Throwing a total greenhorn into the top coaching job with the worst club in the league was always going to end in tears.
It’s quite cruel.
Agree with you on this
I do think the MRC has made life just that little bit harder for him with a tougher stance
What really worries me about Benji is just his judgement on who we've kept and who we've let go
Surely he must have realised our reserves and hence our depth are rubbish !
 
We probably should just leave it here as we are going around in circles, but I just can't agree with your thoughts. Your not happy with a player in our team who is on good money, but you want to keep him because the premiers want him?

Only way out of our mess is to back hungry players looking for opportunities. That's youngsters and experienced players. Turuva doesn't want to play wing, Luai wants to lead a team from halfback etc. They are coming for strong reasons. Papali'i came for no reason and that showed with how he carried on trying to get out of his contract. Good riddance to him.

happy to move on as well … let’s see if we are having this discussion again in 12 months time after another 2-9 start… as stated Turuva and Luia won’t make jack difference on their own and whilst other decent players are walking out the door
 
Nice well thought arguement/article.I would agree with much of it but the club has to get it RIGHT from here or we are back to square one.Onwards and hopefully upwards
Definitely Onwards and Upwards jadtiger.
With 2 cool and intelligent cucumbers like Richo and Bunji being in charge of things now we'll be rite.
The only thing that'll give me the 💩💩💩 is that the consistent improvement needed won't get us to the big end of town till 2026 or after, and at my age that's a 🩸🩸🩸long time.
 
Most of us are extremely bored with the club losing, losing, losing. Once again we are favourites for the spoon.

So I hope you're right.

This year I've had more pleasure watching the Broncos, Roosters, Storm, Titans, Sharks, Dolphins and Dogs more than I enjoyed watching the Tigers, aside from the Sharks and Parra games. It's a long way from the inconsistent but fun-to-watch Tigers before Ivan and Madge got involved.
I reckon you have summed up the feelings of 99% of the posters on here S.K.
I watched the 'replay' of Our last game, and I actually found without the usual tension and stress...it was reasonably enjoyable.
 
Definitely Onwards and Upwards jadtiger.
With 2 cool and intelligent cucumbers like Richo and Bunji being in charge of things now we'll be rite.
The only thing that'll give me the 💩💩💩 is that the consistent improvement needed won't get us to the big end of town till 2026 or after, and at my age that's a 🩸🩸🩸long time.

As someone in his 70's i completely agree with you
 
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Make no mistake, Richo is the man to shift us into a winning position. He does not have time for mediocrity and is extremely well connected. Not afraid to make the big decisions. He knows whats required to get us competing. Without him, we are toast....
 
The club has won 10 of their last 60 games and is on its way to their third spoon in a row …

These results are matching historic levels of ineptitude during the NRL era now pushing 25 years …

As we sit here in the middle of another dead season..no one can honestly say that things will be better next year …we don’t know what the team is going to look like .. but things are not trending well…trying to spin the early loss of this player as a positive , who whilst has been disappointing is one of a handful of genuine first graders at the club, is pure BS in my mind…. The three time premiers wasted no time acquiring him,,,

The team won’t improve overall by attracting players like Luia and Turuva but losing Ice and possibly Stef (?) … two steps forward… two steps back … it’s a team sport …so you have to improve the squad …. One in one out isn’t helping …

Lot of pressure on Richo to make something happen for next year …
Richo and Benji only want players that actually want to play for Wests Tigers T.S.

It's become very apparent over a long period of time that We have purchased players that didn't really give a 💩 about WTs, that they only came here because We were desperate for players and the hugely bloated $$$ [Ryan Matterson]. And that doesn't build a Team with the rite attitude to take a bruise for their mate, to help their mate tackle someone, to bust their gut in chasing to stop a try being scored, etc, etc and etc. because they didn't have a genuine Love for or Dedication to Wests Tigers.
Once We build a Team that insist on saying 'Wests Tigers' as they go out to do battle, the same as the Maroons say 'Qld'er', We Will be on the way to a Winning Team.
A Great example of Dedication, Love, and a Team that want to Win not only for themselves but for the Club, is the Face Slapping incident with the Mighty Magpies led by Tommy Raudonikis all those years ago.
Gee's I would 💕to see that with WTs before I kick the bucket.
 
Richo and Benji only want players that actually want to play for Wests Tigers T.S.

It's become very apparent over a long period of time that We have purchased players that didn't really give a 💩 about WTs, that they only came here because We were desperate for players and the hugely bloated $$$ [Ryan Matterson]. And that doesn't build a Team with the rite attitude to take a bruise for their mate, to help their mate tackle someone, to bust their gut in chasing to stop a try being scored, etc, etc and etc. because they didn't have a genuine Love for or Dedication to Wests Tigers.
Once We build a Team that insist on saying 'Wests Tigers' as they go out to do battle, the same as the Maroons say 'Qld'er', We Will be on the way to a Winning Team.
A Great example of Dedication, Love, and a Team that want to Win not only for themselves but for the Club, is the Face Slapping incident with the Mighty Magpies led by Tommy Raudonikis all those years ago.
Gee's I would 💕to see that with WTs before I kick the bucket.
No mate, if they start that someone will sue the club for “ approved assault”. No it’s hold hands and sing ring a ring a rosey. The club is currently a manifestation of society , completed screwed up !!
 
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As predicted.
Throwing a total greenhorn into the top coaching job with the worst club in the league was always going to end in tears.
It’s quite cruel.
The wise told him to do a few years on the hustings and learn the ropes before he drank from the poisoned chalice.

In a rare moment of insight, that included yourself.

But he coveted the position.

Ambition and snout got the better of him.

Accordingly, he’s got no one else to blame but himself.

He’s one of the few standing from the dark days of Lee and Co. He didn’t go through a selection process we know that. It was as matey as it gets.

I’d like to see him step down for “family reasons” and maybe we pick up Arthur.

Brad has won over 51% of his games.

Benji has won just 18%.

That’s an abomination.
 
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Richo and Benji only want players that actually want to play for Wests Tigers T.S.

It's become very apparent over a long period of time that We have purchased players that didn't really give a 💩 about WTs, that they only came here because We were desperate for players and the hugely bloated $$$ [Ryan Matterson]. And that doesn't build a Team with the rite attitude to take a bruise for their mate, to help their mate tackle someone, to bust their gut in chasing to stop a try being scored, etc, etc and etc. because they didn't have a genuine Love for or Dedication to Wests Tigers.
Once We build a Team that insist on saying 'Wests Tigers' as they go out to do battle, the same as the Maroons say 'Qld'er', We Will be on the way to a Winning Team.
A Great example of Dedication, Love, and a Team that want to Win not only for themselves but for the Club, is the Face Slapping incident with the Mighty Magpies led by Tommy Raudonikis all those years ago.
Gee's I would 💕to see that with WTs before I kick the bucket.
You got a long way to go mate
 
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Thanks innsaneink, Yuh never know do yuh.
How's your treatment going?
I hope you are getting fitter every day.
Yes, and I hope all the posters currently in the wars make it through.

Benji protecting the players recently, blaming his own game management-tactical I think.

The wisdom of it, I’m not sure. My mind is open on the topic.
 
happy to move on as well … let’s see if we are having this discussion again in 12 months time after another 2-9 start… as stated Turuva and Luia won’t make jack difference on their own and whilst other decent players are walking out the door
You say that and I get it but from my observation, one or two quality players in the right position can make a significant difference. Our overall team stats are generally on par with our opponents (metres gained, missed tackles, line breaks). It's small moments that we lose that turn into big things. Poor defensive reads or ball handling by the same players, the ongoing discipline issue. Save for Olam (mostly) our three-quarters have been awful and usually the point of difference in winning or losing. I do agree we need more reinforcements but getting in two top notch players to replace two positions we've been inept in is a game changer. Well that's the hope I cling onto...
 
As grim as it may appear at the moment, we have been competitive in pretty much every match, we could have jagged a couple more wins if the football gods had shined on us. I am more optimistic than I was last year, we have the potential NSW 7 coming and an electric premiership winning back coming, and a lot of our talented juniors will be more experienced. We just need a couple more experienced heads brought in and if we can get rid of the likes of Naden, Bateman etc then things will be a shitload better in 2025.
 
As grim as it may appear at the moment, we have been competitive in pretty much every match, we could have jagged a couple more wins if the football gods had shined on us. I am more optimistic than I was last year, we have the potential NSW 7 coming and an electric premiership winning back coming, and a lot of our talented juniors will be more experienced. We just need a couple more experienced heads brought in and if we can get rid of the likes of Naden, Bateman etc then things will be a shitload better in 2025.
Spot on..
Considering all the injuries and suspensions we have had and the roster quality I think we have done pretty well.
Most we have conceded this year is 42 and with the player out there they are trying.
Richardson would have given the current players the 1st 10 rounds to prove themselves and now he knows what changes are needed and is starting to clean out.
I trust him and Benji to turn this around
 
You say that and I get it but from my observation, one or two quality players in the right position can make a significant difference. Our overall team stats are generally on par with our opponents (metres gained, missed tackles, line breaks). It's small moments that we lose that turn into big things. Poor defensive reads or ball handling by the same players, the ongoing discipline issue. Save for Olam (mostly) our three-quarters have been awful and usually the point of difference in winning or losing. I do agree we need more reinforcements but getting in two top notch players to replace two positions we've been inept in is a game changer. Well that's the hope I cling onto...

The problem I have is that they sign a couple of good players every year … but they also let others go early .., so the squad as a whole never improves as they fill one hole but create another
 

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