How pathetic is our club?

[Geo]

What did you want him to do????

Who? Taylor? Well for a start, as head coach, how about approaching Akaoula himself, having a meaningful chat and finding out what the problems are and how the club can help him - you know, perhaps offering to discuss with the player and his coach about the best position to play him in or asking him if he would like some sort of professional help and providing it. You know, those sorts of things - it's not that hard really and I think that responsibility should lie with the head coach.

Dene and Keith are NRL State of Mind Ambassadors. They have Mental Health First Aid training and qualifications. But i agree with you Flip that Taylor should have been more involved in this potentially serious situation.

He was through Halatau…I'll ask again as it seems to have been ignored in this young and the restless saga. What about the Coach who worked with Sita week in week out should he have not noticed any issues....guess not...

 

[Telltails]

Unfortunately mental health issues in society today especially with young men are a major issue and every club must have procedures in place that identifies and manages them. In view of what happened at our club two years ago I would expect that the clubs management and coaching staff would be well equipped and aware of what action should be taken, to identify and support any player who was showing symptoms. If this is not the case . then we should be suitably and harshly criticised. **If in fact the club has failed in its duty of care**, I would expect an internal review surely needs to be carried out, But all we get is silence. The new CEO needs to start speaking, and fast.
Another damaging media article about the club - someone needs to step up and take control.

Ah no we don't need to respond to this at all.

"If the club has failed in it's duty of care"; I can assure you that by NSW work regulations, they are obliged to follow the contract, pay for services, provide sick/holiday/long-service leave and cover work-related physical injuries.

It is not the responsibility of the club to address or fix or attenuate the mental health condition of an employee. No company in Australia has this requirement. Maybe if you are lucky, your company has a counselor or therapist on the books. If there has been some kind of accident, companies will often engage counselling for affected employees.

But the depressed state of one individual that might be somewhat related to footy, but also just as likely related to personal / genetic issues, no that is not our responsibility.

If you take the sympathetic glasses off, Sita could not cop being played out of position. Gee whiz, let's call for therapy for the 30-odd footballers who played out of position when Sheens was coach.

If this was a genuine article about mental health issues, they'd talk about Halatau's role as a mental health advocate, or perhaps look at other clubs like Cowboys who have had a far worse share of youth tragedy than we have.

No this story is only raised because it gives a little more juice to the Farah story, and as someone pointed out, Sita and Farah have the same scumbag agent.

All of you taking the Mosese situation and using that as pressure against the club, you should be ashamed. That was an absolute tragedy but not the fault or responsibility of the club, and they are not to be expected to knee-jerk to any potential mental health issues other players may or may not present.

I mean put yourself in the club's shoes - they knew Sita was doing it kind of tough and asked some of the players to keep an eye on him. Did Sita himself come to the club with a medical diagnosis of depression, seeking assistance? Did the club turn down or ignore professional advice that Sita was a self-harm risk?

No, there was a bloke doing it a bit tough, they informally wanted to check up on him. Unless you want the kid put in the spotlight, being sent to doctors and having formal checks, probably rested from playing until he has sorted out his troubles (in the manner of Buddy Franklin).

Some of you are such peanuts, your reaction to this story really gets up my nose. And I've dealt with persons with depression in my professional capacity, so I have a very good idea of what I am talking about.

And so do I. Was talking about the the club and its duty of care - not to prevent these issues - but to recognise and support those that are suffering from them. And they should have procedures in place in view of the pressures that all young men face in modern society - and if in fact they followed them - then they have done the right thing. If not they need to address it. Se get off your high horse.

 

[batboy]

The "clubs" duty of care in this sort of situation is no more than any other human being in contact with the Player. Friends, Family, Work mates, Employers etc… Just because he plays football he's no different.
Anyone who is close to someone who's doing it a bit tough should pitch in if they can... It's just the way it is.
I wouldn't say it is solely the clubs, taylors, farahs or anyone else responsibility...

 

[crusader]

My wife passed away throu depression 6 years ago I couldn't save her but looking back as I have for the past 6 years at the time I tried everything but to no avail she wrote me a letter telling me that she was sorry but to this day she hid everything from her workmates not even her best friend and boss knew what she was going throu my point is Taylor knew of akoalha problems and sent dene to check on him daily or weekly that in it self tells me the kind of grub this bloke is I thank the lord that the bloke is doing ok and has left our club maybe if this problem comes up again he will get some support from Ivan Cleary and the panthers

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I'm very sorry for your loss MAFIA, may she rest in peace

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[ricksen]

If this was a genuine article about mental health issues, they'd talk about Halatau's role as a mental health advocate, or perhaps look at other clubs like Cowboys who have had a far worse share of youth tragedy than we have.

No this story is only raised because it gives a little more juice to the Farah story, and as someone pointed out, Sita and Farah have the same scumbag agent.

This is the crux of it IMO. The thread title should be 'How pathetic is Danny Weidler?'
He's effectively politicising a serious social issue to score a few cheap PR points for his mate (Ayoub). Garbage stuff, but par for the course for him.

There are many reasons for us to be upset/disappointed with the club - this does not appear to be one of them.

 

[Milky]

If this was a genuine article about mental health issues, they'd talk about Halatau's role as a mental health advocate, or perhaps look at other clubs like Cowboys who have had a far worse share of youth tragedy than we have.

No this story is only raised because it gives a little more juice to the Farah story, and as someone pointed out, Sita and Farah have the same scumbag agent.

This is the crux of it IMO. The thread title should be 'How pathetic is Danny Weidler?'
He's effectively politicising a serious social issue to score a few cheap PR points for his mate (Ayoub). Garbage stuff, but par for the course for him.

There are many reasons for us to be upset/disappointed with the club - this does not appear to be one of them.

Taylor has admit that it was an issue, depression is serious and was supposed to become official.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

To also not make light of this situation, Because it is a real issue….
But there also has to be another side of the coin....
I can't help this could be a cop out for a disgruntled player who was dropped more than once from reserve grade for bad attitude and form. - Not just this year, The last and the year before as well.
He's a reserve grader, for 3 years now. His primary function is to do what ever the coaches ask of him to give him the best chance of playing first grade. I think back to the honest year round toilers we've had in our ressies system like Nathan Waters, David Gower and Jarred Farlow...
They'd run Water for the team if Fletch asked them to.
In the release it says something along the lines of "I play back row, And that's it" I wonder if he had that same problem last year when he would have been picking up a 3-5k / game to play on the wing?

Now, I would have thought a bloke trying to get on the up would do what ever was asked of him. Realistically - They would have been trying him in the halves of reserve grade to sound out his utility value on the bench for firsts. If he can't see that and make a good fist of it, Then I guess he assumes that he gets to play were he wants to play when he wants to play there.

We've benched blokes like Benji Marshall to get results, How a reserve grader thinks being dropped from top 25 is the so bad is beyond me.

With depression , what you may think is a minor problem , and has a clear pathway to a simple solution, is fine for you. But to the person that is suffering from it , it is not so clear , and not such a small problem and solution.
Logic at times is almost reversed. It's not about ""playing where he wants to play and when he wants to play there". What you or I see, may not be what someone with depression sees.

I'm not being condescending to you BT. But it's true that if you've never suffered from depression , or lived with someone who has, then you don't know what you are talking about.
I'm not saying that to be nasty either.
It's just the truth.

 

[ricksen]

If this was a genuine article about mental health issues, they'd talk about Halatau's role as a mental health advocate, or perhaps look at other clubs like Cowboys who have had a far worse share of youth tragedy than we have.

No this story is only raised because it gives a little more juice to the Farah story, and as someone pointed out, Sita and Farah have the same scumbag agent.

This is the crux of it IMO. The thread title should be 'How pathetic is Danny Weidler?'
He's effectively politicising a serious social issue to score a few cheap PR points for his mate (Ayoub). Garbage stuff, but par for the course for him.

There are many reasons for us to be upset/disappointed with the club - this does not appear to be one of them.

Taylor has admit that it was an issue, depression is serious and was supposed to become official.

Of course it's serious. We had a number of senior players looking out for him, at least one of which was keeping JT across the situation.

 

[NT_Tiger]

….......With depression , what you may think is a minor problem , and has a clear pathway to a simple solution, is fine for you. But to the person that is suffering from it , it is not so clear , and not such a small problem and solution.
Logic at times is almost reversed. It's not about ""playing where he wants to play and when he wants to play there". What you or I see, may not be what someone with depression sees.

I'm not being condescending to you BT. But it's true that if you've never suffered from depression , or lived with someone who has, then you don't know what you are talking about.
I'm not saying that to be nasty either.
It's just the truth.

Yes, I'll vouch for the truth of that. I'll add, that attempting to point out what you might regard as a simple solution can be so forcefully rejected that you may be cut off from the sufferer. They don't call it the black dog for nothing. Very hard to comprehend.

 

[Tigermama]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Both Dene and Keith are.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Both Dene and Keith are.

So basically we've had a young player battle depression, and the coach approached 2 senior players with the necessary training to help the young player through it, and JT is the bad guy in this situation why?

 

[Tigermama]

Absolutely Geo, Fletcher should have and possibly did. He most likely brought it to JT and the Leadership groups attention. One can only hope that's the case.
Anyway all's well that ends well. Good luck to Sita. Hope he does well at the Panthers.

 

[crusader]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Both Dene and Keith are.

So basically we've had a young player battle depression, and the coach approached 2 senior players with the necessary training to help the young player through it, and JT is the bad guy in this situation why?

Actually that is false. Please read the article again. JT clearly states;
"it was something we kept an eye on because players were concerned about him."
So the players have made him aware of his state and the best JT could do was say keep an eye on him. Pffffft . That's what you do when you don't want to do anything

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[GNR4LIFE]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Both Dene and Keith are.

So basically we've had a young player battle depression, and the coach approached 2 senior players with the necessary training to help the young player through it, and JT is the bad guy in this situation why?

Actually that is false. Please read the article again. JT clearly states;
"it was something we kept an eye on because players were concerned about him."
So the players have made him aware of his state and the best JT could do was say keep an eye on him. Pffffft . That's what you do when you don't want to do anything

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Clutching

 

[crusader]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Loll at these comments. Anyone can be an ADVOCATE. An advocate helps promote public awareness . That in way way shape or form makes you qualified for the diagnosis and treatment of depression. Please you guys , I'm not sure that your taking this discussion seriously or not

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[GNR4LIFE]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Loll at these comments. Anyone can be an ADVOCATE. An advocate helps promote public awareness . That in way way shape or form makes you qualified for the diagnosis and treatment of depression. Please you guys , I'm not sure that your taking this discussion seriously or not

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And JT is qualified?

 

[jirskyr]

And so do I. Was talking about the the club and its duty of care - not to prevent these issues - but to recognise and support those that are suffering from them. And they should have procedures in place in view of the pressures that all young men face in modern society - and if in fact they followed them - then they have done the right thing. If not they need to address it. Se get off your high horse.

Sorry I wasn't specifically annoyed at your comments. I think what you said is mostly valid, but I think club has done their duty of care. I also think club has no obligation to respond to this story.

The thing that annoyed me was these comments like "after what happened to Mosese, we should be handling this better". You can't put that on an organisation.

 

[Swordy]

And the author?

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Why does it matter? Its full of direct quotes.

Of course it matters. I don't always believe everything I read in the papers or see on the news. I like to know who submitted articles etc because their past history gives me an indication about accuracy of articles or various news pieces.

Now I have not made any comment about Danny Wiedler. I'd also be interested if the article were written by Phil Rothfield, James Hooper, Steve Mascord or many others. EVERY one of them, and their respective publications have a line they need to push and it helps me put things in perspective.

Direct quotes mean nothing unless you have the ENTIRE conversation, not just selected quotes that could be seen as pushing the story in one way or another. I certainly don't know how that fits in this instance but I do have my thoughts that I will keep to myself.

IF it is true that this player has some depressive issues, I don't care why. I do believe we should offer him the assistance he needs. What that assistance might be is different for every person and it is best left to those close to be the best judge. I suspect Jason Taylor might be many things, both good and bad and everyone here has their opinion. But I am sure that he, the support staff, other players and officials and the club are well versed in dealing with this type of thing, especially given the issues of that last few years. I'm sure if true, all would be doing what they thought best with ALL the knowledge of the circumstances, something which no one on here is privvy to.

 

[Newtown]

And so do I. Was talking about the the club and its duty of care - not to prevent these issues - but to recognise and support those that are suffering from them. And they should have procedures in place in view of the pressures that all young men face in modern society - and if in fact they followed them - then they have done the right thing. If not they need to address it. Se get off your high horse.

Sorry I wasn't specifically annoyed at your comments. I think what you said is mostly valid, but I think club has done their duty of care. I also think club has no obligation to respond to this story.

The thing that annoyed me was these comments like "after what happened to Mosese, we should be handling this better". You can't put that on an organisation.

I noticed that Akoula went to his family, his brother in this case, to talk about his depression. Often they can provide better help than an organisation. The problem is getting the affected person to open up to his family for help.

 

[gallagher]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Both Dene and Keith are.

So basically we've had a young player battle depression, and the coach approached 2 senior players with the necessary training to help the young player through it, and JT is the bad guy in this situation why?

Because he dumped Farah. No other reason.