If Potter's sacked, only one man can get us back on track

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

I would support Smith for 2 years maximum then out. Put him in with a young coach (i.e. Kimmorley or the like) with the contractual understanding that the young coach takes the head role after 2 years.

The way things are going our coaches are struggling to survive 12 months leave alone 24 ..

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Brian Smith

Thats right boys and girls, Brian Smith. We are a mess right? We need someone with balls right? we need some one ruthless right? we need someone who isn't afraid to come in and punt players and make it known he's the boss right? then who better than Brian Smith. Now before you flame me and say he's crap, just have a think about it. He's had success everywhere he's been, the man knows how to pull a club out of the mire. As a coach he's severely misunderstood. Yes, he's been around as long as Sheens and Bennett, but he's a different type of coach. He's the type of coach you bring in in a crisis and make a short term commitment with. I think if he coached us for 2 yrs he'd leave us in a better position then he found us. People talk about him like he's Ricky Stuart, he's nothing like Stuart.

I back Potter 100% and i hope he gets re-signed, he deserved to be. But in the off chance he isn't, we need a hatchet man, and Smithy is the best hatchet man in the business. Believe me, the boys club will be abolished in 5 mins if Smith were to come in as coach.

Did you pull Smith's name out of a hat?

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[LaT]

We have deadwood. Lawrence, Lulia, Halatau (love him but his time has passed) and hell i'd even throw young Sirro in there too. Theres 4 players Smith could move along.

Lulia and Halatau could really be considered fringe players for us, at full strength they are probably playing NSW cup. Dead wood should really be reserved for players of note who are regularly picked in a full strength first grade side. So even if in your opinion you say we have 2 players not delivering, thats not bad, I'm sure most fans in the NRL would say they have 2 players they believe aren't earning their keep.

Its also worth noting that unless we have another team willing to pickup all or some of a players contract, we will still have a sacked players contract taken out of our cap. So we can sack a player like Lawrence but if his contract is worth $400k a year, we will be down that much in our cap if he doesn't get picked up elsewhere.

 

[LCA]

This will do me for a joke. Brian Smith?? What's his credentials FFS? Other than to be a "choker" of the highest proportion? It's ok to be ruthless and wield an axe through a joint, but on what basis other than that's just what you do? If it's not going to be Potter longer term then it should not be some tried and tired wannabe like Brian Smith. The whole push for Smith seems to be based on an "opinion" that the power and ego of the playing group is the problem. Where's the evidence for that?

 

[MightyTiger]

I would be more then happy for a coach like Folkes being at the club in some capacity. Whether it be strength and conditioning, assistant coach or even head coach.

Folkes is a very experienced campaigner with the runs on the board. He is a hard and strict coach, which is probably more then likely what this playing group need.

We could do a lot worse IMO.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This will do me for a joke. Brian Smith?? **What's his credentials FFS?**Other than to be a "choker" of the highest proportion? It's ok to be ruthless and wield an axe through a joint, but on what basis other than that's just what you do? If it's not going to be Potter longer term then it should not be some tried and tired wannabe like Brian Smith. The whole push for Smith seems to be based on an "opinion" that the power and ego of the playing group is the problem. Where's the evidence for that?

This will do me for a joke. 4 GF's for starters. Yeah, he lost them all, so what. If he could reproduce those results and get us to a few GF's we'd be a hell of a lot more successful club then we are now.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

We have deadwood. Lawrence, Lulia, Halatau (love him but his time has passed) and hell i'd even throw young Sirro in there too. Theres 4 players Smith could move along.

Lulia and Halatau could really be considered fringe players for us, at full strength they are probably playing NSW cup. Dead wood should really be reserved for players of note who are regularly picked in a full strength first grade side. So even if in your opinion you say we have 2 players not delivering, thats not bad, I'm sure most fans in the NRL would say they have 2 players they believe aren't earning their keep.

Its also worth noting that unless we have another team willing to pickup all or some of a players contract, we will still have a sacked players contract taken out of our cap. So we can sack a player like Lawrence but if his contract is worth $400k a year, we will be down that much in our cap if he doesn't get picked up elsewhere.

you didn't mention Sironen.

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[AmericanHistoryX]

This will do me for a joke. Brian Smith?? **What's his credentials FFS?**Other than to be a "choker" of the highest proportion? It's ok to be ruthless and wield an axe through a joint, but on what basis other than that's just what you do? If it's not going to be Potter longer term then it should not be some tried and tired wannabe like Brian Smith. The whole push for Smith seems to be based on an "opinion" that the power and ego of the playing group is the problem. Where's the evidence for that?

This will do me for a joke. 4 GF's for starters. Yeah, he lost them all, so what. If he could reproduce those results and get us to a few GF's we'd be a hell of a lot more successful club then we are now.

You're acting more and more like Ax!

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[alexaki]

For mine Potter and the entire coaching/S&C team should be released after this year.

Bring in Griffin ex Broncos coach and let HIM select his support team.

 

[tigermaniac]

Not going to agree, not going to argue GNR. I don't like the idea.
Few years ago, I would have agreed, but not at this point in time, thinking about our future, and this isn't a Smith vs Potter choice. To have someone come in to clean the place up is not the task or solution. Our club needs stability up top to succeed .The problem is on the carpet, not the grass. We don't have serial bad boys, we have mafia Dons. So why are we bringing him in to clean what up.
What players can he bring to our club, I'd say his little lay off has made him lose the last of his contacts, where as before he went from one club to another. Having him for two years could also make things go from bad to worse with players leaving because of him, maybe following him or not resigning with us because they don't like the next coach. Then you have Smith signings that the next coach doesn't like but he's stuck with, like what Sheens has done to Potters. No cap space.

But then again it could be a good challenge for the boys to test themselves again and see if he can get Smith punted before his two years are up.

If Potter exits , we need a younger coach, with respect from the league community, someone who has won a title, someone involved as an assistant and possibly coaching at the same time, preferably a former rep half, well spoken and spent most of his career around powerhouse clubs, so he can bring in that culture that he's use to, to our club, Smith can't offer this. That's why i don't agree.

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[AmericanHistoryX]

Not going to agree, not going to argue GNR. I don't like the idea.
Few years ago, I would have agreed, but not at this point in time, thinking about our future, and this isn't a Smith vs Potter choice. To have someone come in to clean the place up is not the task or solution. Our club needs stability up top to succeed .The problem is on the carpet, not the grass. We don't have serial bad boys, we have mafia Dons. So why are we bringing him in to clean what up.
What players can he bring to our club, I'd say his little lay off has made him lose the last of his contacts, where as before he went from one club to another. Having him for two years could also make things go from bad to worse with players leaving because of him, maybe following him or not resigning with us because they don't like the next coach. Then you have Smith signings that the next coach doesn't like but he's stuck with, like what Sheens has done to Potters. No cap space.

But then again it could be a good challenge for the boys to test themselves again and see if he can get Smith punted before his two years are up.

If Potter exits , we need a younger coach, with respect from the league community, someone who has won a title, someone involved as an assistant and possibly coaching at the same time, preferably a former rep half, well spoken and spent most of his career around powerhouse clubs, so he can bring in that culture that he's use to, to our club, Smith can't offer this. That's why i don't agree.

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that sounds deep - thanks for sharing your thoughts in public Tiger. GNR - u got a good catch here mate.

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[happy_tiger]

For mine Potter and the entire coaching/S&C team should be released after this year.

Bring in Griffin ex Broncos coach and let HIM select his support team.

As long as he brings Whitey with him as our new CEO

He is highly rated by all at Brisbane and best mates with Griffin

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This will do me for a joke. Brian Smith?? **What's his credentials FFS?**Other than to be a "choker" of the highest proportion? It's ok to be ruthless and wield an axe through a joint, but on what basis other than that's just what you do? If it's not going to be Potter longer term then it should not be some tried and tired wannabe like Brian Smith. The whole push for Smith seems to be based on an "opinion" that the power and ego of the playing group is the problem. Where's the evidence for that?

This will do me for a joke. 4 GF's for starters. Yeah, he lost them all, so what. If he could reproduce those results and get us to a few GF's we'd be a hell of a lot more successful club then we are now.

You're acting more and more like Ax!

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Another word AHX and i'll storm out of this thread.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

This will do me for a joke. Brian Smith?? **What's his credentials FFS?**Other than to be a "choker" of the highest proportion? It's ok to be ruthless and wield an axe through a joint, but on what basis other than that's just what you do? If it's not going to be Potter longer term then it should not be some tried and tired wannabe like Brian Smith. The whole push for Smith seems to be based on an "opinion" that the power and ego of the playing group is the problem. Where's the evidence for that?

This will do me for a joke. 4 GF's for starters. Yeah, he lost them all, so what. If he could reproduce those results and get us to a few GF's we'd be a hell of a lot more successful club then we are now.

You're acting more and more like Ax!

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Another word AHX and i'll storm out of this thread.

i believe you!!!

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[LaT]

We have deadwood. Lawrence, Lulia, Halatau (love him but his time has passed) and hell i'd even throw young Sirro in there too. Theres 4 players Smith could move along.

Lulia and Halatau could really be considered fringe players for us, at full strength they are probably playing NSW cup. Dead wood should really be reserved for players of note who are regularly picked in a full strength first grade side. So even if in your opinion you say we have 2 players not delivering, thats not bad, I'm sure most fans in the NRL would say they have 2 players they believe aren't earning their keep.

Its also worth noting that unless we have another team willing to pickup all or some of a players contract, we will still have a sacked players contract taken out of our cap. So we can sack a player like Lawrence but if his contract is worth $400k a year, we will be down that much in our cap if he doesn't get picked up elsewhere.

**you didn't mention Sironen.**

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And?

I have a different view to Axl about Sirro Jr, but my post wasn't about the merits of one player. You could substitute Sirro for Lawrence if you want, the point can remain the same.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

We have deadwood. Lawrence, Lulia, Halatau (love him but his time has passed) and hell i'd even throw young Sirro in there too. Theres 4 players Smith could move along.

Lulia and Halatau could really be considered fringe players for us, at full strength they are probably playing NSW cup. Dead wood should really be reserved for players of note who are regularly picked in a full strength first grade side. So even if in your opinion you say we have 2 players not delivering, thats not bad, I'm sure most fans in the NRL would say they have 2 players they believe aren't earning their keep.

Its also worth noting that unless we have another team willing to pickup all or some of a players contract, we will still have a sacked players contract taken out of our cap. So we can sack a player like Lawrence but if his contract is worth $400k a year, we will be down that much in our cap if he doesn't get picked up elsewhere.

**you didn't mention Sironen.**

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And?

I have a different view to Axl about Sirro Jr, but my post wasn't about the merits of one player. You could substitute Sirro for Lawrence if you want, the point can remain the same.

so your making peace once & for all with GNR.
Good work -

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[Russell]

We don't have that much dead wood in the playing ranks imo…

Wow! the only players I'd keep given the chance for a clean slate would be Tedesco Brooks Moses & Sironen.

The rest could go.

Glad your not running the place then.

 

[Flippedy]

Ok so Smith hasn't won a Premiership, but neither have many other coaches. His record is pretty bloody good though - for the most part his teams have either been in the Grand Final or certainly in contention throughout the whole season. If he could produce anything like that for our club, I'd be happy. I would much rather our team at least be up there in the running to win the title and having a successful season than not having a shot at it at all, like now and the way it's been for much of our history.

 

[hobbo]

Ok so Smith hasn't won a Premiership, but neither have many other coaches. His record is pretty bloody good though - for the most part his teams have either been in the Grand Final or certainly in contention throughout the whole season. If he could produce anything like that for our club, I'd be happy. I would much rather our team at least be up there in the running to win the title and having a successful season than not having a shot at it at all, like now and the way it's been for much of our history.

We could always hire smith then sack him once we made the semis … At least it's a start !

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[alexaki]

At least Smith would have a head start as he has done a thorough review of the joint and he would know what's needed before he joins… Smith can't be worse that what's available

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