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@Tigersmurf said:
Yep.
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Infighting has Wests on the brink
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I think Pringle was being a little precious there to be frank… It was a joke...
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@Cultured Bogan said:
No doubt.
Still doesn't change my opinion about Wayde though
@smeghead said:
Fair call, I'm too young and not close enough to anyone in the know to have an informed opinion of him.
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Truth be told I want them all replaced.
I would be happy for Ashfield to find and appoint the best qualified people for a board position to ensure their investment is being properly managed. Give the football clubs a seat each to stop their bleating and the members elect three
I would be happy for Ashfield to find and appoint the best qualified people for a board position to ensure their investment is being properly managed. Give the football clubs a seat each to stop their bleating and the members elect three
innsaneink
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Yep, bad joke.
No surprise though Dean Ritchie makes a massive deal out if it.
As for Wayde, he was relevant to me 30 odd years ago
@smeghead said:
I'm over it all. I don't know what the answer is, but the current set up will only kill the club. The factions are both a hindrance and unless one (most likely Wests,) takes a majority on the board or we have an independent board (which I'm not sure how it will be achieved as I assume the stakeholders will elect these members and they will serve the interests of those who put them there,) we will never see any real progression.
Balmainboydug
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I don't see the joke AYE , I'm not going to bag this so called comedian , hell I'm not even gonna mention his moniker either.
To be honest he doesn't deserve to be used in the same context or post as Neil Pringle.
Pringle was the first player to throw a flick pass contributing to a try at LEICCHARDT !
Neil gave Balmain TIGERS great service , a slight on him is extremely disappointing to say the least. Western suburbs had the advantage of a growing area in campbelltown and with some good marketing and BRAINS should have and could have gone it alone. Did they ?
So the penny has dropped and their foresight was of surviving first , amalgamate , wait-for growth in surrounding areas and out buy the Balmain club in the future.
So the push has started 10% at first , then 20% until we have a 5% interest and one junior director doing what gen Y do , licking someone's backside for their own interests not our proud club. Passion for your club should never be questioned and Neil had the right to walk after flogging the old codger.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Take care Neil. :master:
To be honest he doesn't deserve to be used in the same context or post as Neil Pringle.
Pringle was the first player to throw a flick pass contributing to a try at LEICCHARDT !
Neil gave Balmain TIGERS great service , a slight on him is extremely disappointing to say the least. Western suburbs had the advantage of a growing area in campbelltown and with some good marketing and BRAINS should have and could have gone it alone. Did they ?
So the penny has dropped and their foresight was of surviving first , amalgamate , wait-for growth in surrounding areas and out buy the Balmain club in the future.
So the push has started 10% at first , then 20% until we have a 5% interest and one junior director doing what gen Y do , licking someone's backside for their own interests not our proud club. Passion for your club should never be questioned and Neil had the right to walk after flogging the old codger.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Take care Neil. :master:
@smeghead said:
Best solution. Let's be honest, even if ashfield took main control, it's their money, and no way would they drop the tigers influence as its too marketable and the SG ball teams have struck gold recently. Ashfield is more about running a steady investment than sticking its head in the sand. Only difference it might make is stop the bickering. If your board make up was followed it would give a voice to both sides whilst also allowing the financial aspect to be run properly. Makes too much sense to happen.
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Demonborger
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I don't give shit about wests or balmain dinosaurs, Wests Tigers or nothing. NRL probably sees it the same way.
@Balmainboydug said:
No one is questioning his service to Balmain, or the fact it was a bad joke… Somewhere in between that you've managed to take a swipe at Wests, profess your man-love for a player of a bygone era and thrown in the obligatory Gen Y insult... Talk about hyperbole.
Tell me what's going on now with the Balmain directors? Are their actions pure, do they have WT interests at heart, or are they trying to salvage their position at the trough?
starling04
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This is absolutely pathetic. We really are the joke of the league. Both sides need to move on and realise that we need an independent board at the club. I'm sick of the club being run by people with no business acumen whatsoever, continually making poor business decisions. Their stubbornness will result in the club folding. Its completely illogical not to have an independent board at a time like this when the nrl is willing to provide us with a grant (that we need to survive) if we have an independent board. It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
Tim Sheens
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[Think he's making the point it's 4.61232 Kms away I could be wrong though :stuck_out_tongue:[/quote]
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Benjirific
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Funny that this 'working with the NRL for independent directors' seems to be credited to Bailey and the new board. Some people were working towards this years ago, but continually hit road blocks. Maybe if we'd listened a year ago we might have been able to avoid a lot of this…...
Revised structure key to Tigers' prosperity, says Trodden
December 18, 2012
Glenn Jackson - SMH
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OUTGOING Wests Tigers chairman David Trodden believes the sooner the joint-venture club is no longer referred to as just that - a joint-venture club - the more the club can prosper.
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Having stepped aside from the Tigers chairmanship last Thursday night, Trodden said he believed the club needed to ''revisit'' its current structure.
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''I don't see the joint-venture structure as a structure for the long term,'' Trodden said. ''I certainly think it's time for the organisation to revisit its structure and to think about what the best structure would be to take the organisation to that next level. At some point of the joint venture, you have to get to a point where the joint-venture structure is not the most appropriate structure to take you forward.
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''We now have one State Cup team, rather than two. For Wests Tigers to take that next step in its evolution, the club needs to concentrate on things they have in common, rather than the things which split them. [And] in order to take that next step, you probably need somebody who is not identified with things which happened in the past.''
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Despite operating as a joint-venture for 13 years, Wests Tigers remains mired in political infighting between Balmain and Western Suburbs. That was illustrated by a Western Suburbs RLFC extraordinary general meeting on Saturday at which a motion was passed to attempt to field a separate Magpies team in the NSW Cup next season. The motion prevailed despite the rich Wests Ashfield leagues club having stated it would only fund a Magpies squad in the third-tier Bundy Cup competition next year. The Wests Ashfield board will now consider the proposal, but will more than likely reject it.
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While Trodden's decision to stand down after eight years as the alternate chairman came before that motion, it is that sort of political environment that contributed to his decision. He has been known to be frustrated that he has been unable to carry out the sort of change he hopes for, due to the conflicted forces involved in the club.
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Trodden, who will likely step aside from his role as chairman of the powerful NRL club council, has been alternating chairman for the past eight years, as part of an ongoing agreement between the two joint-venture parties. For now, he will be replaced by Balmain Tigers nominee Nick DiGirolamo, before the Wests nominee, expected to be Mike Bailey, takes the chair.
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Trodden, the chairman of Balmain RLFC, also made it clear he believed the club would be better served dispensing with the alternate chairmanship system in the future.
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''It does make it difficult, in terms of public perception,'' Trodden said. ''It creates a perception of lack of unity in the joint venture, whether that's the fact of the matter or not.''
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Trodden said he believed Wests Tigers had a ''hugely positive future''. But it would be more likely ''without the politics of the merger, which may have at different stages in the past constrained it a bit'', he said. ''We play the most attractive football in the NRL, have arguably the greatest personality players in the NRL, and have a fantastic supporter base. The opportunities for Wests Tigers are limitless, and properly managed, they have a really exciting future.
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''I am passionate and I will remain passionate about both the sport and our club, and I see nothing but good things for both. But I genuinely believe that you have an obligation … you go into these positions and you do your best, and once you've had a crack, you move over and let somebody else do the same thing. It's unhealthy for someone at an organisation to stay there, year after year after year, and doesn't bring any more energy or vitality or new ideas.''
Revised structure key to Tigers' prosperity, says Trodden
December 18, 2012
Glenn Jackson - SMH
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OUTGOING Wests Tigers chairman David Trodden believes the sooner the joint-venture club is no longer referred to as just that - a joint-venture club - the more the club can prosper.
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Having stepped aside from the Tigers chairmanship last Thursday night, Trodden said he believed the club needed to ''revisit'' its current structure.
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''I don't see the joint-venture structure as a structure for the long term,'' Trodden said. ''I certainly think it's time for the organisation to revisit its structure and to think about what the best structure would be to take the organisation to that next level. At some point of the joint venture, you have to get to a point where the joint-venture structure is not the most appropriate structure to take you forward.
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''We now have one State Cup team, rather than two. For Wests Tigers to take that next step in its evolution, the club needs to concentrate on things they have in common, rather than the things which split them. [And] in order to take that next step, you probably need somebody who is not identified with things which happened in the past.''
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Despite operating as a joint-venture for 13 years, Wests Tigers remains mired in political infighting between Balmain and Western Suburbs. That was illustrated by a Western Suburbs RLFC extraordinary general meeting on Saturday at which a motion was passed to attempt to field a separate Magpies team in the NSW Cup next season. The motion prevailed despite the rich Wests Ashfield leagues club having stated it would only fund a Magpies squad in the third-tier Bundy Cup competition next year. The Wests Ashfield board will now consider the proposal, but will more than likely reject it.
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While Trodden's decision to stand down after eight years as the alternate chairman came before that motion, it is that sort of political environment that contributed to his decision. He has been known to be frustrated that he has been unable to carry out the sort of change he hopes for, due to the conflicted forces involved in the club.
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Trodden, who will likely step aside from his role as chairman of the powerful NRL club council, has been alternating chairman for the past eight years, as part of an ongoing agreement between the two joint-venture parties. For now, he will be replaced by Balmain Tigers nominee Nick DiGirolamo, before the Wests nominee, expected to be Mike Bailey, takes the chair.
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Trodden, the chairman of Balmain RLFC, also made it clear he believed the club would be better served dispensing with the alternate chairmanship system in the future.
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''It does make it difficult, in terms of public perception,'' Trodden said. ''It creates a perception of lack of unity in the joint venture, whether that's the fact of the matter or not.''
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Trodden said he believed Wests Tigers had a ''hugely positive future''. But it would be more likely ''without the politics of the merger, which may have at different stages in the past constrained it a bit'', he said. ''We play the most attractive football in the NRL, have arguably the greatest personality players in the NRL, and have a fantastic supporter base. The opportunities for Wests Tigers are limitless, and properly managed, they have a really exciting future.
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''I am passionate and I will remain passionate about both the sport and our club, and I see nothing but good things for both. But I genuinely believe that you have an obligation … you go into these positions and you do your best, and once you've had a crack, you move over and let somebody else do the same thing. It's unhealthy for someone at an organisation to stay there, year after year after year, and doesn't bring any more energy or vitality or new ideas.''
Benjirific
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@innsaneink said:
4.61232 km and about 20 mins in normal traffic, let alone peak hour. If you can't understand the difference in geographics and demographics between these two areas you have no idea about Sydney.
My point remains that running Leagues clubs and Football clubs are VERY different issues. Not one member of the WT board, from either side of the fence, has run a football club at a profit or even break-even. They've always just fallen back on Leagues Club funding (Balmain to a lesser extent in recent years obviously). We need independent directors on this board to help run the business of football clubs at a break even level at the least, not just in control because they've got a Leagues club cash stash to fall back on.
gallagher
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Independant directors would mean no financial support from wests or balmain. Afterall why would you be putting in money if you had no say in the running.
So the NRL will make up the shortfall and chuck in a heap of cash until we are profitable. This could be indefinate seeing as only one NRL club makes a profit. Outside of them relocating us to Brisbane I can see no reason why the NRL would give us financial assistance.
Wests controling the board is the only option to go.
So the NRL will make up the shortfall and chuck in a heap of cash until we are profitable. This could be indefinate seeing as only one NRL club makes a profit. Outside of them relocating us to Brisbane I can see no reason why the NRL would give us financial assistance.
Wests controling the board is the only option to go.
happy_tiger
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Please for the sake of this club can someone plant a bomb in the boardroom
@gallagher said:
The Wests Magpies board was in charge when the football club couldn't survive in 1999\. Same story in 1983,84 and 85 when the Wests Magpies went broke. If the Wests Magpies board couldn't save their own back then, what makes you so sure they can save a merged team now ?
gallagher
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Not sure they can.Is it the same people from 99? I dunno. I said its the best option though, much better than 50/50 or this fanciful NRL controlled crap.
Black_n_White
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@Knuckles said:
Wests Magpies have no ownership of the WT anymore, they have sold their share to Ashfield… Wests Ashfield is a different entity... Not that it matters, its a bit rich of anyone to look a gift horse in the mouth... especially if you were in Balmains obviously flush financial position.
