Inside look into Tigers Management/Negotiations

[Animal Mother]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

 

[bbobb]

For me, I think the podcast covered the basic of the issues with club although I don't believe they are that simplistic and nor are the fixes.

 

[happy_tiger]

To me, Adrian Tripodina sounds like some wannabe business dude looking for opportuntities to raise his profile through a WT fan podcast. Nothing more than that. We've got enough "influencers and wannabes" of dubious quality already. In fact, we're led a by couple of them. And, there lies the problem.

Is Adrian looking after someone for a 3rd party deal ......or was he the builder that was backing Teddy ?????

 

[Swordy]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

People get upset when your opinion differs.

 

[Animal Mother]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

People get upset when your opinion differs.

You called him a wannabe as well.
Strange insult considering what he was saying

 

[tony soprano]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

Not sure the need for personal attacks


Did u agree with his logic about stuffed up negotiations?

 

[Animal Mother]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

Not sure the need for personal attacks


Did u agree with his logic about stuffed up negotiations?

Our club are the worst negotiators in the business. Blind Freddy could see this before the podcast came along. This was affirmation to a degree.

 

[Swordy]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

People get upset when your opinion differs.

You called him a wannabe as well.
Strange insult considering what he was saying

Because thats what he struck me as. Do you want me to use a different word? The guy might be a nce bloke, wouldnt know him if I fell over him in the street. But thats the impression I got from listening.

Strange insult considering what he was saying? ...Thats the point. I disagreed with much of what he said based on what I know to be factual and my own life and business experience. Some of the comments on here almost paint him as the Messiah. I mean, Really?

Another frustrated supporter who may or may not have had dealings with the club. Not sure why his opinion or what he says is any more important than anyone else.

 

[Animal Mother]

@Animal-Mother this is a forum of people expressing opinions. I note you've just joined within the last hour or so. Welcome.

I will read your offerings, as long as they are reasoned and sensible, but I may not agree with them. If not, I'll comment. That's the way this thing works.

Fill your boots Tman, thankyou for the condescension.

 

[tigerballs]

Oh my lord. I just listened to this podcast and the only thing that comes to mind is what a complete wannabe flog.

Why would you want to be a flog?
I don’t think anyone has that as their future aspiration. Your either a flog or not. Wanting to be a flog. That’s just subjective.

Funniest response ever

 

[Animal Mother]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

People get upset when your opinion differs.

You called him a wannabe as well.
Strange insult considering what he was saying

Because thats what he struck me as. Do you want me to use a different word? The guy might be a nce bloke, wouldnt know him if I fell over him in the street. But thats the impression I got from listening.

Strange insult considering what he was saying? ...Thats the point. I disagreed with much of what he said based on what I know to be factual and my own life and business experience. Some of the comments on here almost paint him as the Messiah. I mean, Really?

Another frustrated supporter who may or may not have had dealings with the club. Not sure why his opinion or what he says is any more important than anyone else.

I think the past 10 years hold plenty of support for his views and opinion.

 

[Swordy]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

People get upset when your opinion differs.

You called him a wannabe as well.
Strange insult considering what he was saying

Because thats what he struck me as. Do you want me to use a different word? The guy might be a nce bloke, wouldnt know him if I fell over him in the street. But thats the impression I got from listening.

Strange insult considering what he was saying? ...Thats the point. I disagreed with much of what he said based on what I know to be factual and my own life and business experience. Some of the comments on here almost paint him as the Messiah. I mean, Really?

Another frustrated supporter who may or may not have had dealings with the club. Not sure why his opinion or what he says is any more important than anyone else.

I think the past 10 years hold plenty of support for his views and opinion.

We will agree to disagree about the podcast guy. No one is arguing that the club has been a basket case for a long time, so in that context he has the same views and opinions as the rest of us 'common folk'. Its the 'why' and the 'detail' that is different to what some of us think and know. My view and opinion is no better or worse than yours, or his.

But if he is putting himself out there, be prepared to be critiqued.

 

[Animal Mother]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

People get upset when your opinion differs.

You called him a wannabe as well.
Strange insult considering what he was saying

Because thats what he struck me as. Do you want me to use a different word? The guy might be a nce bloke, wouldnt know him if I fell over him in the street. But thats the impression I got from listening.

Strange insult considering what he was saying? ...Thats the point. I disagreed with much of what he said based on what I know to be factual and my own life and business experience. Some of the comments on here almost paint him as the Messiah. I mean, Really?

Another frustrated supporter who may or may not have had dealings with the club. Not sure why his opinion or what he says is any more important than anyone else.

I think the past 10 years hold plenty of support for his views and opinion.

We will agree to disagree about the podcast guy. No one is arguing that the club has been a basket case for a long time, so in that context he has the same views and opinions as the rest of us 'common folk'. Its the 'why' and the 'detail' that is different to what some of us think and know. My view and opinion is no better or worse than yours, or his.

But if he is putting himself out there, be prepared to be critiqued.

Fair call, it just amused me that I was reading several posts naming him a “wannabe”. Certainly struck me as a collective effort to discredit.

 

[Rugba]

Yep. I had a listen to it yesterday. The biggest thing that struck me was the gap we have around attracting players. He could easily provide a selling point for a potential recruit to head to other clubs (eg Manly, Cronulla or Bondi to be near the beach, Panthers because of the pride in the community, Bulldogs a traditional powerhouse) but struggled to think of what our unique selling point was.

Our unique selling point to attract players would be having September off each year on full pay.

:grin: should have told matterson earlier , didn’t he have a sook as didn’t want to train during finals

 

[Rugba]

I’ve listened to most of it , just seems like a fan ( who may have tried at some stage to help with 3rd party payments ) just having a whinge about things that we all know that has been mentioned in the media .

Other than once incident with teddy when going to Canberra , didn’t see any inside info that even fans of other clubs don’t know. He is no expert or insider , and he does not know anymore than the rest of us the machinations of how clubs operate.

This could have been any poster on here that could have been on there saying exact same things

 

[Needaname]

Happy to see this thread. Great listen. It really just highlighted the fears that I had about Pascoe and the organisation in general. The guy has to go.

It’s not Pascoe in isolation, he is competent in his role. It’s the management structure in general and the lack of focus and attention in regard to what i would call the ‘football operations’ department.

Our management has identified a gap. Hence the appointment of Sheens.

But I am concerned that we have asked Sheens to head up this division with no actual structure in place and no plan of how that division should operate.


From what I can understand, there have been a number of new positions created with appointments prior to the Sheens appointment.
I’m still stuck on the way Pascoe publicly introduced Sheens’ appointment. His job description was vague. It sounded like “hey Sheens has agreed to come back, we just need to agree on what his tasks and areas of responsibility are.”
If they knew, they weren’t saying, or they didn’t know? Take your pick? I think they didn’t know and still don’t because now he has a new job title?
It’s hard to know what’s going on ?
The usual practice when developing an organisation is to chart positions with job descriptions according to the needs of its overall objectives. Then you look for people to fill those roles. It may take time to find the right people, but when you do that’s when the magic happens, as those people interact with each other and roles are modified in accordance with consideration to the strengths of each person.
I realise many organisations have opted to find people first , then find a job for them, but taking that literally is hit and miss and takes too long imo.

We are quite literally 10years behind the Panthers.
Gus even said we won’t see the benefit of this till 2030. I don’t know Sheens personally nor Gus but I am asking to the forum if anyone does because as stated above the club has decided to get Sheens back to the club just to be involved. Become a mr football if you like and solve all the problems.

Is anyone confident that Sheens has equal experience to do this, just as Penrith did in 2011 when Gus was appointed as General Manager of Football. There was no title of that nature before that. Now a lot of clubs have jumped on board and appointed similar people in a similar role, us included. But this was also Hartigans position and despite his supporters I don’t see enough in his resume to confirm he was the person we needed to appoint for such an ‘encompassing’ role.

It’s been said many times that we have players who are just happy to play nrl, be known as an nrl player, that’s their apex destination.
What if our decision makers are of the same mindset?
What if our CEO, Chair, fellow board members share that mindset ? It makes sense to me that culture is driven from the top down and as such changing 2 or 3 players, a coach is not going to fix the problem. When the coach moves on we are left with the culture driven decisions.
We don’t need any more proof of this.
We turn good players into ordinary ones.
We can’t hang onto our home bred talent who become champions at other clubs.
How many of our decent players have left angry with us?
I know it’s a nice cliche, one man can make a difference, but when he’s up against the odds?
Sheens didn’t survive last time he tried to change things?

I guess you could use Maguire in that same example and I’d even extend the scenario out to Bennett; who has been quite public in his thoughts regarding successful teams and successful organisations.

It’s often argued Madge didn’t change Souths it was the injection of Russell and Holmes a court Richardson and the influence of Sattler, Piggins etc, not to mention a few handy players.

On that assessment alone you look at the two clubs and can see for yourself. Since Russell and Holmes a court and Shane Richardson have been involved with the reshaping of the South Sydney football organisation as a whole.
The Rabbitohs have made the finals under 4 of the 5 coaches that have been appointed since 2007.

Well you could include Maguire. I haven’t because he’s one of a few displaying some kind of killer instinct.
I would be surprised if you offered Bennett the same remuneration pkg he’s on now if he would come to the WT, similarly, I can’t see him going to the Broncos for the same reason.

I may of confused the point. Let me rephrase, I agree with all of the above and my response was directly to your quote about one man not making a difference. In reviewing South Sydney and how they were performing on a playing level and were set up operationally before Maguire came along you will see how he as well as the management and players were equiped with the resources to succeed at the club and another he is seemingly struggling without a similar support network.

 

[GCfan]

Yep. I had a listen to it yesterday. The biggest thing that struck me was the gap we have around attracting players. He could easily provide a selling point for a potential recruit to head to other clubs (eg Manly, Cronulla or Bondi to be near the beach, Panthers because of the pride in the community, Bulldogs a traditional powerhouse) but struggled to think of what our unique selling point was.

Our unique selling point to attract players would be having September off each year on full pay.

Yeah bang on. They need to start presenting the contracts in $ per game rather than a yearly contract value. We’d be one of the best weekly earns in the NRL

 

[TCL]

You are all using the same phrases and pushing the same narrative.
Obviously sharing just the one brain? or something more organised?

There's nothing organised by anything I post on here, man. In fact, I think most people would not agree with stuff I post. But, I'm not going to be fooled by opportunists or shonks. This Adrian bloke fits the bill and I've called him out as such. Make of it what you will.

People get upset when your opinion differs.

You called him a wannabe as well.
Strange insult considering what he was saying

Because thats what he struck me as. Do you want me to use a different word? The guy might be a nce bloke, wouldnt know him if I fell over him in the street. But thats the impression I got from listening.

Strange insult considering what he was saying? ...Thats the point. I disagreed with much of what he said based on what I know to be factual and my own life and business experience. Some of the comments on here almost paint him as the Messiah. I mean, Really?

Another frustrated supporter who may or may not have had dealings with the club. Not sure why his opinion or what he says is any more important than anyone else.

I think the past 10 years hold plenty of support for his views and opinion.

We will agree to disagree about the podcast guy. No one is arguing that the club has been a basket case for a long time, so in that context he has the same views and opinions as the rest of us 'common folk'. Its the 'why' and the 'detail' that is different to what some of us think and know. My view and opinion is no better or worse than yours, or his.

But if he is putting himself out there, be prepared to be critiqued.

Fair call, it just amused me that I was reading several posts naming him a “wannabe”. Certainly struck me as a collective effort to discredit.

It’s only collective if they all discussed prior and agreed to discredit otherwise they just have the same opinion, which in the forum is quite normal and happens quite regularly. Having just joined you may not have noticed but if you stick around you will see.