Interchange Bench

[crouching_tiger]

A 1st grade player told me a few months back how Sheens uses his bench. That the rotation times are ALL pre-meditated and they stick to them regardless of how the results are panning out throughout the game. Only time they get put out of whack is if there is a serious injury of course, which then adjustments need to be made accordingly.
So Sheens goes into a match with a stubborn gameplan and allows no room for accounting for "on the day" occurances depending if the opposition comes out and destroys his gameplan from the first whistle.
That is why we are all left scratching our heads during some games when we are all yelling for a player to be brought off the bench.
I think a few that spring to mind are games when Ben Jeffery was left benched for 80mins in the final round against Newcastle which cost the team a top 8 finish, and earlier this year when Morris and Galea were left benched too long which were very costly as well.
Why would a coach not accommodate to making slight adjustments if the other coach is well and truly on top of you with their gameplan?? Failing to admit that you are losing the war and sticking to your guns is always going to bring you undone..

 

[benjibrotown]

A 1st grade player told me a few months back how Sheens uses his bench. That the rotation times are ALL pre-meditated and they stick to them regardless of how the results are panning out throughout the game. Only time they get put out of whack is if there is a serious injury of course, which then adjustments need to be made accordingly.
So Sheens goes into a match with a stubborn gameplan and allows no room for accounting for "on the day" occurances depending if the opposition comes out and destroys his gameplan from the first whistle.
That is why we are all left scratching our heads during some games when we are all yelling for a player to be brought off the bench.
I think a few that spring to mind are games when Ben Jeffery was left benched for 80mins in the final round against Newcastle which cost the team a top 8 finish, and earlier this year when Morris and Galea were left benched too long which were very costly as well.
Why would a coach not accommodate to making slight adjustments if the other coach is well and truly on top of you with their gameplan?? Failing to admit that you are losing the war and sticking to your guns is always going to bring you undone..

What was the first grade players views on these tactics??

 

[crouching_tiger]

A 1st grade player told me a few months back how Sheens uses his bench. That the rotation times are ALL pre-meditated and they stick to them regardless of how the results are panning out throughout the game. Only time they get put out of whack is if there is a serious injury of course, which then adjustments need to be made accordingly.
So Sheens goes into a match with a stubborn gameplan and allows no room for accounting for "on the day" occurances depending if the opposition comes out and destroys his gameplan from the first whistle.
That is why we are all left scratching our heads during some games when we are all yelling for a player to be brought off the bench.
I think a few that spring to mind are games when Ben Jeffery was left benched for 80mins in the final round against Newcastle which cost the team a top 8 finish, and earlier this year when Morris and Galea were left benched too long which were very costly as well.
Why would a coach not accommodate to making slight adjustments if the other coach is well and truly on top of you with their gameplan?? Failing to admit that you are losing the war and sticking to your guns is always going to bring you undone..

What was the first grade players views on these tactics??

Good question. He was TOTALLY AGAINST Sheens' approach. He saw it the same way us frustrated supporters see it. To bring on replacements WHEN AND IF neccessary according to what is happening in front of you at the time.
And i tell you what, this was not just "spin" or "someone telling me what i wanted to hear".

 

[Geo]

Did the player ever bring this up in team meetings?

Is it a common view amoungst the playing group?

Why would a player reveal this other than to distabalise the Coach?

 

[Buckets_of_blood]

Is this player a fringe player, a regular 1st grader or a regular bench player?

 

[crouching_tiger]

Did the player ever bring this up in team meetings?

Is it a common view amoungst the playing group?

Why would a player reveal this other than to distabalise the Coach?

I only know for FACT the answer to question 3\. But i can not make this public due to other rammifications which could occur. But i will say this: because he could NOW, and a SENIOR player. And i personally don't think it was in any way to distabilise the coach but just being honest in their frustrations.

Questions 1-2 were never brought up in our convo as we were just having a few quiet drinks trying not to talk too much about footy as it was after the season had finished. But those answers would be interesting to hear, as it might give us all some clearer insight to how much weight a player pulls against Sheens.

 

[crouching_tiger]

Is this player a fringe player, a regular 1st grader or a regular bench player?

Regular SENIOR 1st grader.

 

[Geo]

Did the player ever bring this up in team meetings?

Is it a common view amoungst the playing group?

Why would a player reveal this other than to distabalise the Coach?

I only know for FACT the answer to question 3\. But i can not make this public due to other rammifications which could occur. But i will say this: because he could NOW, and a SENIOR player. And i personally don't think it was in any way to distabilise the coach but just being honest in their frustrations.

Questions 1-2 were never brought up in our convo as we were just having a few quiet drinks trying not to talk too much about footy as it was after the season had finished. But those answers would be interesting to hear, as it might give us all some clearer insight to how much weight a player pulls against Sheens.

Fair enough but it's a pretty serious claim that a SENIOR player is frustrated with the Coaches gameplans…...yet couldn't feel as though they could bring it up with his Coach or others in the Senior Playing group........

BTW...Sheens isn't the only Coach who sticks to a regular interchange plan........Bennett is famous for it.....so is Bellamy....look at Origin 1 and 2 last year..........

 

[magpie_mania]

Is this player a fringe player, a regular 1st grader or a regular bench player?

Regular SENIOR 1st grader.

I must say Im very doubtful of this allegation.

 

[crouching_tiger]

Did the player ever bring this up in team meetings?

Is it a common view amoungst the playing group?

Why would a player reveal this other than to distabalise the Coach?

I only know for FACT the answer to question 3\. But i can not make this public due to other rammifications which could occur. But i will say this: because he could NOW, and a SENIOR player. And i personally don't think it was in any way to distabilise the coach but just being honest in their frustrations.

Questions 1-2 were never brought up in our convo as we were just having a few quiet drinks trying not to talk too much about footy as it was after the season had finished. But those answers would be interesting to hear, as it might give us all some clearer insight to how much weight a player pulls against Sheens.

Fair enough but it's a pretty serious claim that a SENIOR player is frustrated with the Coaches gameplans…...yet couldn't feel as though they could bring it up with his Coach or others in the Senior Playing group........

BTW...Sheens isn't the only Coach who sticks to a regular interchange plan........Bennett is famous for it.....so is Bellamy....look at Origin 1 and 2 last year..........

But Bennett and Bellamy know how to get their teams into finals. And know how to fix things ASAP when they're broke without costing them a shot at the title..

 

[crouching_tiger]

Is this player a fringe player, a regular 1st grader or a regular bench player?

Regular SENIOR 1st grader.

I must say Im very doubtful of this allegation.

Why's that? You think i sat here all off season conjuring all this story up to gee you up?? :laughing:

 

[Geo]

But Bennett and Bellamy know how to get their teams into finals. And know how to fix things ASAP when they're broke without costing them a shot at the title..

Bellamy and Bennett have different cattle so it works…....I think Sheens use of the interchange bench and who he selects on it has well has cost us in the past......I just think it's stange that a player would make such claims....

C_t would never make things UP....... :astonished:

 

[crouching_tiger]

If i was making up BS i would have answered ALL the questions you guys have thrown at me.
I can only answer what i do know as FACT.
You probably wouldn't think the claims are strange if you knew the ALL the circumstances of why this player was able to speak out at the time of the conversation. But as i will not disclose the player's name, so naturally there will always be some who will doubt this..

 

[stryker]

It wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if some were starting to question a couple of his approaches to the game.
I mean it is a free country and he isnt Hitler…..is he?

 

[crouching_tiger]

yet couldn't feel as though they could bring it up with his Coach or others in the Senior Playing group….....

i didn't say he didn't bring it up with his Coach or fellow players, Neither did he. So for all we know he MAY have…

You have jumped to a conclusion there which is why you my find it strange..

 

[Buckets_of_blood]

Did the player ever bring this up in team meetings?

Is it a common view amoungst the playing group?

Why would a player reveal this other than to distabalise the Coach?

I only know for FACT the answer to question 3\. But i can not make this public due to other rammifications which could occur. But i will say this: because he could NOW, and a SENIOR player. And i personally don't think it was in any way to distabilise the coach but just being honest in their frustrations.

Questions 1-2 were never brought up in our convo as we were just having a few quiet drinks trying not to talk too much about footy as it was after the season had finished. But those answers would be interesting to hear, as it might give us all some clearer insight to how much weight a player pulls against Sheens.

Fair enough but it's a pretty serious claim that a SENIOR player is frustrated with the Coaches gameplans…...yet couldn't feel as though they could bring it up with his Coach or others in the Senior Playing group........

BTW...Sheens isn't the only Coach who sticks to a regular interchange plan........Bennett is famous for it.....so is Bellamy....look at Origin 1 and 2 last year..........

I wouldnt say its serious.
I'd say its very common place.

Someone once described players in general when discussing off field behaviour, to get to the top you need to know what you want and be forthright & headstrong as well as be a handy footy player, same for coaches….with such strong personalities over the course of an entire season, its never always going to be smooth sailing....

 

[MAFIA]

Nothing wrong with what sheensy has done here 1 player has told you this just a thought here how many games has it won us, me thinks this player was a fringe player and didnt get enough time on the park, i think sheens has done it for his whole coaching life…... now how many premierships has the bloke won i think his ideas are working just fine

 

[Balmain_Bug]

You can see what CT is saying every week in what the Fonz does. It is clearly all pre-planned as when different guys come on, the style purposely changes and so to does the direction at times. He is a very intense tactical coach. Most of this stuff leaves me scratching my head.

I am very interested to see who will be the dummy half runner off the bench. I am very interested to see if this dummy half runner will have a kicking game. I am very interested to see how Fonzie will use such player. I feel Fulton is too slow to be the dummy half replacement off the bench so I feel it may go to Fitzy. The Fonz will have the role of his 4 bench players all set to go and will keep that all year. The players may change but their allocated roles will be the same.

 

[jadtiger]

What you are saying CT i find quite disturbing.I have long felt that sheens uses the bench rotation poorly, if he does set it in concrete each week it does explain some of his odd decisions.To be honest a coach should be fine tuning both his game tactics and his bench as the game develops anything less than puts the team at a major disadvantage

 

[Geo]

I wouldnt say its serious.
I'd say its very common place.

Someone once described players in general when discussing off field behaviour, to get to the top you need to know what you want and be forthright & headstrong as well as be a handy footy player, same for coaches….with such strong personalities over the course of an entire season, its never always going to be smooth sailing....

I didn't say it doesn't happen but what I find strange is that the SENIOR player would air it in Public….......