Is Poor Officiating Going To End Up In Court

[hank37w]

And the feedback from the bunker was that AJ ran sideways, but he's still heading towards the ball? Surely we aren't at a point where you can only run in lines parallel to the sideline?

I might be able to believe the ruling of sideways running if it had of been Noffo that was involved, but otherwise, Nah!

Still in total disbelief that that Klein could be such a Klown. Have the NRL checked his pockets for betting slips?

Although ripping off charities was totally despicable, when it comes to the gambling side of things, Tim Simona was probably rubbed out of the game for less.

I can totally understand players reacting in the heat of the moment and accusing officials of cheating

 

[426Tlgerland]

It will end up in court if that game yesterday was a grand final and the roosters were us and lost , uncle Nick would not back down

 

[trentrunciman]

Feedback@nrl.com.au

 

[Snidest 0]

Not necessarily, Fox Sports is reporting the tigers are indeed looking at legal avenues and that the NRL have privately conceded it was entirely the wrong call. Hope its followed through.

The last time the Tigers threatened legal action was over the Pascoe salary cap breach.

All bluff and bravado without even the tiniest hint of actual legal grounds to challenge the decision - so after all the big talk we got REAL legal advice and accepted the punishment without a whimper!

Unprofessional morons talking more shit that they can't back up!

 

[magpies forever]

The last time the Tigers threatened legal action was over the Pascoe salary cap breach.

All bluff and bravado without even the tiniest hint of actual legal grounds to challenge the decision - so after all the big talk we got REAL legal advice and accepted the punishment without a whimper!

Unprofessional morons talking more shit that they can't back up!

Give them a chance before you put the boot in.

 

[jirskyr]

Feedback@nrl.com.au

Thanks

I wrote to them, not that it will make a difference, but just to add weight to the pile-on that I hope is occurring.

Hi NRL

Tigers vs Cowboys outcome yesterday is possibly the worst refereeing intervention and indiscretion I have ever seen in 35 years of watching NRL. The NRL should be ashamed that such indecision and panic is possible from the match officials, and that we should find ourselves, in a highly physical contest over 80 mins, in a position that highly debatable 50/50 calls are being volunteered by the bunker on behalf of a losing side.

There are no grounds for a captain’s challenge by Cowboys, and if the NRL attempts to trade in technicalities that expose the frailties of its own law, it only serves to indicate how incompetent the governing body is.

Either you bring in a new rule like captain’s challenge and make it clear and eliminate the grey areas, or you don’t bother bringing it in at all.

If I am a captain I will now challenge every single late-game decision regardless of whether or not there is a stoppage in play, and I will instruct all my kick-chasers to run through en masse, colliding with would-be defenders, in an attempt to sew confusion and chaos, resulting in an eternal gamble that will require 5 minutes of video analysis before fulltime is called on any match.

I am normally a staunch defender of the establishment and the referees, but this incident has turned me and I cannot reason my way to a satisfactory landing place. It’s a disgrace and I am ashamed of the NRL and the ineptitude of the officials.

Hang your heads on this dark day and thank your gods that it was not a key match.

Regards

 

[The Fresh Oil]

It was a key match.

People keep saying the result won’t change anything and that’s just wrong. If/when wests get the spoon will any sponsors leave? Will people not renew? Will other teams jammed in the top 4 miss out on two games come finals because cows got a leg up?

 

[jirskyr]

It was a key match.

People keep saying the result won’t change anything and that’s just wrong. If/when wests get the spoon will any sponsors leave? Will people not renew? Will other teams jammed in the top 4 miss out on two games come finals because cows got a leg up?

Not a key match for the teams that "matter". Cowboys are playing finals football no matter what, and in the wash there are still 6 more games to affect the make-up of the Top 8. Same as there are still 6 matches to determine the wooden spooners.

NRL doesn't care if Tigers come 15th or 16th. And we have to acknowledge that the closer to affecting finals football a decision becomes, the more "key" it becomes.

Of course we as Tigers fans can recognise how key it is to our club, but that argument can be made of any losing side at any time, such that it becomes a null argument.

 

[diedpretty]

Opinion​

Tigers fiasco shows it’s time to blow up the Bunker​

Andrew Webster​

Chief Sports Writer
July 25, 2022 — 11.54am



Imagine, for a moment, there was no Bunker for the final second of the Tigers-Cowboys match. Imagine there was no captain’s challenge. Play some thinking music if necessary.
Here is what I am imagining.





https://weststigersforum.com/javascript:void(0);

​

The North Queensland Cowboys take on the West Tigers in round 19 of the 2022 NRL Premiership
I’m imagining a short kick-off from Cowboys centre Valentine Holmes. I’m imagining his teammates running through, but some of them with different purposes. I’m imagining some want to weave through the forest of Tigers players to leap high and contest the ball. I’m also imagining one of them looking to trick the referee. I’m imagining one will try to run into the back of a defender and milk a penalty, setting up a relatively easy penalty kick to win the match.
I’m also imagining referee Chris Butler being all over this. He’s a senior referee who can spot a con job from a thousand miles, although in this moment he’s just a few metres away. He has the best seat in the house.

I’m imagining he doesn’t have the incessant chatter of a “referee coach” in the grandstand telling him what to do. He doesn’t have a person sitting in an office in Eveleigh waiting to pounce on any incorrect decision he might make.
It’s just him and a couple of touch judges, a whistle and years of experience to draw upon in any situation. They make decisions based purely on what they see and what they know.

Wests Tigers lost by one point after a controversial penalty was awarded to the Cowboys with one second of the game left.Credit:Getty Images
I’m imagining the ball falls into the hands of Tigers fullback Daine Laurie. He is tackled, the siren sounds, the Tigers players celebrate like they’ve won the grand final. Captain James Tamou, in his 300th match, is grinning like the cat that got the cream, albeit a very large cat.
I’m imagining furious Cowboys players rush at Butler, claiming an escort penalty, but he is confident in himself and his touch judges and takes it for what it was: Kyle Feldt trying to milk a match-winning penalty by running into the back of Tigers centre Asu Kepaoa. “Nice try,” Butler says to Chad Townsend.

Imagine if that happened?
The narrative this week would be around the Tigers pulling off the upset of the season, a just reward for a club that’s been through hell.

​

Instead, the headlines scream about a code in crisis because of its rules, interpretations and crackdowns, and a club threatening legal action, as silly as that is.
People don’t know what they’re watching any more. They’re confused about what warrants a set restart, a sin bin or a send-off.

Did you know a team could ask for a captain’s challenge after the siren? I thought they could be issued only for a “stoppage in play”.
What would I know? What would you know? The NRL bangs out a wordy statement on Sunday night saying that stoppage includes the end of the game.
In other words, suck it up. Keep paying your memberships, your ridiculous prices for tickets, merchandise, hot chips and flat beer.
Oh, and while you’re shoving those $8 pies down your throat, cop the bad decisions on your second chin. It’s the game. It’s sport.
In the past month, ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys, chief executive Andrew Abdo and head of football Graham Annesley have bemoaned the shit-stream of talk about match officials.

“This game has an ability beyond any other that I’ve ever witnessed – and I’ve seen sports all around the world – to focus in on officiating like I’ve not seen in any other sport,” Annesley said just a week ago.
When will the NRL stop being so defensive about its rules, when will it stop dismissing its fans like they are whinging children, and do something about it?


There’s a clear distinction between referee bashing, the oldest trick in the book from coaches trying to divert attention from their side’s performance, and serious issues with the way the game is officiated.
Never one to back away from a fight, Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis — who is also the principal at Brydens Lawyers — has threatened legal action.

I’m no sports lawyer but the ones I know have already laughed off the suggestion. Unless the Tigers can prove some sort of fraudulent activity, it will amount to naught. Makes for good copy, though.
In 2019, a group of New Orleans fans launched a class action against the NFL after officials failed to penalise the Los Angeles Rams for pass interference in the dying seconds of the NFC Championship game.
It cost the Saints the chance of reaching the Super Bowl, and a group of wealthy fans wanted the match replayed.
Nothing came of it so the fans bought advertising space on billboards around Atlanta, the Super Bowl host city, complaining about the result.
No sport is immune to refereeing controversy. As long as humans are making decisions, there will be human error.

Match officials also need to be respected. I’d argue no sport makes its officials wear ugly abuse more than tennis, where you can essentially say anything to the chair umpire with impunity or a paltry fine.

​

In rugby league, the blowtorch needs to be applied to the administrators who keep adding or changing the rule book. Instead of solving problems, they make more.
When rugby league is played at its free-flowing best, without pedantic over-officiating, there is no sport like it. Witness Origin III.
The problem is fans have diminishing confidence in the result being determined by the players.

A listener on SEN Radio on Monday morning suggested abandoning the Bunker and captain’s challenge for matches between teams out of finals contention.
Imagine that.

 

[Plato]

Normally with no perceived problems in back play, Laurie catches the ball and either takes the tackle or kicks it over the sideline and game over, Tigers win. If A.J. had not been there contesting the ball Feldt may, or may not have got to Laurie. If Feldt gets to Laurie and makes a clean tackle game over, Tigers win. If Feldt gets there and makes a late tackle game over, Tigers win. If Feldt doesn't get there to make the tackle at all game over, Tigers win. So we lost that game because A.J. happened to be somewhere close enough for Feldt to make him a target, or am I missing the point?

 

[Needaname]

We should challenge for offside from the kick-off. Cowgirls challenge supposedly took 26 seconds, so what's another 6 hours matter in the NRL where rules are apparently optional. All futile as Klown would just penalise us for something else.

James Tamou actually said that.
The referee said that was all cleared James

 

[Snidest 0]

Give them a chance before you put the boot in.

There is NO CHANCE - & the fact I know that before our esteemed Chair & CEO is the problem!

I won't wait on the apologies when nothing eventuates from this legal challenge fantasy!!

 

[tony soprano]

Feedback@nrl.com.au

They will file your email accordingly

 

[tony soprano]

Opinion​

Tigers fiasco shows it’s time to blow up the Bunker​

Andrew Webster​

Chief Sports Writer
July 25, 2022 — 11.54am



Imagine, for a moment, there was no Bunker for the final second of the Tigers-Cowboys match. Imagine there was no captain’s challenge. Play some thinking music if necessary.
Here is what I am imagining.





https://weststigersforum.com/javascript:void(0);

​

The North Queensland Cowboys take on the West Tigers in round 19 of the 2022 NRL Premiership
I’m imagining a short kick-off from Cowboys centre Valentine Holmes. I’m imagining his teammates running through, but some of them with different purposes. I’m imagining some want to weave through the forest of Tigers players to leap high and contest the ball. I’m also imagining one of them looking to trick the referee. I’m imagining one will try to run into the back of a defender and milk a penalty, setting up a relatively easy penalty kick to win the match.
I’m also imagining referee Chris Butler being all over this. He’s a senior referee who can spot a con job from a thousand miles, although in this moment he’s just a few metres away. He has the best seat in the house.

I’m imagining he doesn’t have the incessant chatter of a “referee coach” in the grandstand telling him what to do. He doesn’t have a person sitting in an office in Eveleigh waiting to pounce on any incorrect decision he might make.
It’s just him and a couple of touch judges, a whistle and years of experience to draw upon in any situation. They make decisions based purely on what they see and what they know.

Wests Tigers lost by one point after a controversial penalty was awarded to the Cowboys with one second of the game left.Credit:Getty Images
I’m imagining the ball falls into the hands of Tigers fullback Daine Laurie. He is tackled, the siren sounds, the Tigers players celebrate like they’ve won the grand final. Captain James Tamou, in his 300th match, is grinning like the cat that got the cream, albeit a very large cat.
I’m imagining furious Cowboys players rush at Butler, claiming an escort penalty, but he is confident in himself and his touch judges and takes it for what it was: Kyle Feldt trying to milk a match-winning penalty by running into the back of Tigers centre Asu Kepaoa. “Nice try,” Butler says to Chad Townsend.

Imagine if that happened?
The narrative this week would be around the Tigers pulling off the upset of the season, a just reward for a club that’s been through hell.

​

Instead, the headlines scream about a code in crisis because of its rules, interpretations and crackdowns, and a club threatening legal action, as silly as that is.
People don’t know what they’re watching any more. They’re confused about what warrants a set restart, a sin bin or a send-off.

Did you know a team could ask for a captain’s challenge after the siren? I thought they could be issued only for a “stoppage in play”.
What would I know? What would you know? The NRL bangs out a wordy statement on Sunday night saying that stoppage includes the end of the game.
In other words, suck it up. Keep paying your memberships, your ridiculous prices for tickets, merchandise, hot chips and flat beer.
Oh, and while you’re shoving those $8 pies down your throat, cop the bad decisions on your second chin. It’s the game. It’s sport.
In the past month, ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys, chief executive Andrew Abdo and head of football Graham Annesley have bemoaned the shit-stream of talk about match officials.

“This game has an ability beyond any other that I’ve ever witnessed – and I’ve seen sports all around the world – to focus in on officiating like I’ve not seen in any other sport,” Annesley said just a week ago.
When will the NRL stop being so defensive about its rules, when will it stop dismissing its fans like they are whinging children, and do something about it?


There’s a clear distinction between referee bashing, the oldest trick in the book from coaches trying to divert attention from their side’s performance, and serious issues with the way the game is officiated.
Never one to back away from a fight, Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis — who is also the principal at Brydens Lawyers — has threatened legal action.

I’m no sports lawyer but the ones I know have already laughed off the suggestion. Unless the Tigers can prove some sort of fraudulent activity, it will amount to naught. Makes for good copy, though.
In 2019, a group of New Orleans fans launched a class action against the NFL after officials failed to penalise the Los Angeles Rams for pass interference in the dying seconds of the NFC Championship game.
It cost the Saints the chance of reaching the Super Bowl, and a group of wealthy fans wanted the match replayed.
Nothing came of it so the fans bought advertising space on billboards around Atlanta, the Super Bowl host city, complaining about the result.
No sport is immune to refereeing controversy. As long as humans are making decisions, there will be human error.

Match officials also need to be respected. I’d argue no sport makes its officials wear ugly abuse more than tennis, where you can essentially say anything to the chair umpire with impunity or a paltry fine.

​

In rugby league, the blowtorch needs to be applied to the administrators who keep adding or changing the rule book. Instead of solving problems, they make more.
When rugby league is played at its free-flowing best, without pedantic over-officiating, there is no sport like it. Witness Origin III.
The problem is fans have diminishing confidence in the result being determined by the players.

A listener on SEN Radio on Monday morning suggested abandoning the Bunker and captain’s challenge for matches between teams out of finals contention.
Imagine that.

Spot on

 

[BZN]

Yes. For the sake of the integrity of the game we need to get the current situation rectified. Not just this instance, there are far too many dodgy one sided calls, where rules are blatantly disregarded

And "for the sake of the integrity of the game" every NRL club needs to support WT in this case against the NRL, as one of them may well be involved in a similar situation to this at some time down the track.
And the points that they may be robbed of will most likely have a much more serious outcome next time.

Example.....the Roosters being robbed in the GF a couple of years ago when after kicking off the ball hit the opposing blue shirt, the Roosters players stopped playing expecting some sort of action to be taken and the other mob ran thru and scored then went on to win the match.
***There was no rule to cover this ridiculous occurrence*** at the time, but of course the rule was added later.

 

[Snidest 0]

And "for the sake of the integrity of the game" every NRL club needs to support WT in this case against the NRL, as one of them may well be involved in a similar situation to this at some time down the track.
And the points that they may be robbed of will most likely have a much more serious outcome next time.

Example.....the Roosters being robbed in the GF a couple of years ago when after kicking off the ball hit the opposing blue shirt, the Roosters players stopped playing expecting some sort of action to be taken and the other mob ran thru and scored then went on to win the match.
***There was no rule to cover this ridiculous occurrence*** at the time, but of course the rule was added later.

This never happened!

The Roosters have won all 3 Grand Finals they have played since 2010 when they got smashed by Saints 32-10??

 

[BZN]

This never happened!

The Roosters have won all 3 Grand Finals they have played since 2010 when they got smashed by Saints 32-10??

Thanks .... I may have my teams mixed due to senility but it happened only a few years ago in a GF.
Was it Roosters V Souths then?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

And "for the sake of the integrity of the game" every NRL club needs to support WT in this case against the NRL, as one of them may well be involved in a similar situation to this at some time down the track.
And the points that they may be robbed of will most likely have a much more serious outcome next time.

Example.....the Roosters being robbed in the GF a couple of years ago when after kicking off the ball hit the opposing blue shirt, the Roosters players stopped playing expecting some sort of action to be taken and the other mob ran thru and scored then went on to win the match.
***There was no rule to cover this ridiculous occurrence*** at the time, but of course the rule was added later.

100 agree . NQ and Brisbane are case in point of how quickly you can slide or rise . Obviously the titans the other way . So to have your on field performance be a mitigating factor to whether or not your team get a fair go with the officials ,is absolutely insanity . And has all but been admitted lately by annelsley .

Its like the referees live in a different dimension to the rest . Not to mention more real things , like avoiding their mates getting fired etc.
I guess I’m questioning what the officialdom system is , and what the people running it’s motivation is. Do they actually care about NRL and integrity of the game , or , are they like most Beaurocrats and only worried about themselves and their empire.
If it’s the latter , and outside of rampant corruption, this has to be all but confirmed if We are honest , then the whole system needs a cleanout .
Otherwise they will constantly make decisions that are about maintaining their job , and systems that are designed to keep the refs central to the game . rather than put there to maintain the flow of the game. Because those 2 ideas are completely opposed to each other.
and this is where the issue really lies .
the refs are trying to maintain their importance , whilst destroying the fabric of the game itself .

 

[Merlot]

Thanks .... I may have my teams mixed due to senility but it happened only a few years ago in a GF.
Was it Roosters V Souths then?

roosters v raiders-raiders were robbed from the situation you described 63

 

[supercoach]

And "for the sake of the integrity of the game" every NRL club needs to support WT in this case against the NRL, as one of them may well be involved in a similar situation to this at some time down the track.
And the points that they may be robbed of will most likely have a much more serious outcome next time.

Example.....the Roosters being robbed in the GF a couple of years ago when after kicking off the ball hit the opposing blue shirt, the Roosters players stopped playing expecting some sort of action to be taken and the other mob ran thru and scored then went on to win the match.
***There was no rule to cover this ridiculous occurrence*** at the time, but of course the rule was added later.

Wasn’t it the raiders who were disadvantaged by a Chooks kick? But I get your point