Is Taylor now redundant ?
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earl
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This is a tough one. I think on the edge he is a little wasted but I also think that we need a bunch of middle forwards belting it up.
He definitely has a role to play though so he isn't redundant.
He definitely has a role to play though so he isn't redundant.
Tiger_Watto
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I get what your asking Gator, and its a very interesting scenario to see how the rest of the year unfolds. As most have said, this guy is a brilliant workhorse and is one you would never let go simply because a new kid has turned up.
In saying this, I'd like to see Eisenhower get 80min into his lungs for a few weeks to see what he offers. I have a good feeling he can play 80, and still get his numbers. I think once we try this, it will then lead us to the question of is Taylor's ROLE in the team redundant.
To be fair though, Marsters had a great game yesterday and Taylors contribution to this shouldnt be under-estimated.
Too early to tell!
In saying this, I'd like to see Eisenhower get 80min into his lungs for a few weeks to see what he offers. I have a good feeling he can play 80, and still get his numbers. I think once we try this, it will then lead us to the question of is Taylor's ROLE in the team redundant.
To be fair though, Marsters had a great game yesterday and Taylors contribution to this shouldnt be under-estimated.
Too early to tell!
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newtiger
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I think that ET still has a major role to play in our side over the next few years.
Far from being redundant.
Far from being redundant.
We definitely still need him. Assuming we re-sign him and Eisenhuth (and nobody else) I think our best forward pack for 2018 would be:
8\. Matulino (50-55 mins in 2 stints)
9\. Liddle (60-80 mins straight)
10\. Packer (40-45 mins in 2 stints)
11\. McQueen (55 mins straight)
12\. Taylor (80 mins straight)
13\. Eisenhuth (50 mins in 2 stints)
14\. Twal (bench prop) (35-40 mins straight over H/T)
15\. Sue (bench prop) (25-35 mins straight over H/T
16\. Marsters (impact 2nd row/backs cover)(30-50 mins straight)
17\. Lawrence (impact 2nd row) (25 mins straight)
Rotation
(1) 20-25: Packer off Twal on
(2) 25-30: Matulino off Sue on
(3) 30: Eisenhuth off Marsters on with ET to lock
(4) 55: McQueen off Lawrence on
(5) 55-60: Sue off Packer on
(6) 60: Twal off Matulino on
(7) 60-65: Either Liddle or Marsters off Eisenhuth on and ET to hooker or right edge
(8) As required
ET is the only 2nd row option we have that could fill in at hooker. If we don't have ET then we need to run a bench hooker or a utility on the bench. We don't have a good utility option or a hooker that really fills the "impact" role.
Not every single forward needs to be taking a stack of runs every game. Between Matulino, Twal and Eisenhuth we will have plenty of props putting their hands up for lots of runs. If we're running interchange 2nd rowers on the bench then they should be putting their hands up for plenty of runs too. There is definitely a role for ET as a defensive workhorse and a distributor. I don't care if he only runs for 50m a game if he's keeping us tight in defence and acting as a link in attack.
Anyone thinking Eisenhuth is going to suddenly punch out 80 effective minutes at lock is not being realistic.
8\. Matulino (50-55 mins in 2 stints)
9\. Liddle (60-80 mins straight)
10\. Packer (40-45 mins in 2 stints)
11\. McQueen (55 mins straight)
12\. Taylor (80 mins straight)
13\. Eisenhuth (50 mins in 2 stints)
14\. Twal (bench prop) (35-40 mins straight over H/T)
15\. Sue (bench prop) (25-35 mins straight over H/T
16\. Marsters (impact 2nd row/backs cover)(30-50 mins straight)
17\. Lawrence (impact 2nd row) (25 mins straight)
Rotation
(1) 20-25: Packer off Twal on
(2) 25-30: Matulino off Sue on
(3) 30: Eisenhuth off Marsters on with ET to lock
(4) 55: McQueen off Lawrence on
(5) 55-60: Sue off Packer on
(6) 60: Twal off Matulino on
(7) 60-65: Either Liddle or Marsters off Eisenhuth on and ET to hooker or right edge
(8) As required
ET is the only 2nd row option we have that could fill in at hooker. If we don't have ET then we need to run a bench hooker or a utility on the bench. We don't have a good utility option or a hooker that really fills the "impact" role.
Not every single forward needs to be taking a stack of runs every game. Between Matulino, Twal and Eisenhuth we will have plenty of props putting their hands up for lots of runs. If we're running interchange 2nd rowers on the bench then they should be putting their hands up for plenty of runs too. There is definitely a role for ET as a defensive workhorse and a distributor. I don't care if he only runs for 50m a game if he's keeping us tight in defence and acting as a link in attack.
Anyone thinking Eisenhuth is going to suddenly punch out 80 effective minutes at lock is not being realistic.
WestsBenTigers
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@ said:
Great post but you forgot Aloiai
sheer64
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Unless Cordner or Gillett are available no he is not redundant.
Love_the_WestsTigers
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Rubbish
its hard to find hard working blokes, ET is one of those in our team
its hard to find hard working blokes, ET is one of those in our team
Fade_To_Black
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Not wise to throw out experienced, committed players in the hope that blokes who have played a dozen games between them will still be shining after a full season or 2 of 1st grade. Eisenhuth and Twal are playing well ATM but ET is as committed as they come and has looked to be playing injured for most of this season- that crash of heads with Sam Burgess in round 1 wasn't exactly slight either.
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Good post Nelson.
I agree ET will.be vital glue in the pack next year.
Plus is an awesome guy.
balmain boy
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It's too early to say that guys who've played 5 first grade games can permanently replace a proven performer but if Eisenhuth can make the same number of tackles as ET and have a much larger impact in attack then he becomes our lock.
ET out wide i don't know. I guess he's no worse than the guys we've been playing there but he's not really a runner. One of the problems with our attack is that none of our back rowers threaten the line so the defence can gang up on the likely targets. Chee Kam is the only back rower who looks capable of making a break, Lawrence can run through a gap if there is one, but he can't create one for himself or a team mate. Don't think ET can either but he's better than Lovett, Edwards, Lawrence and Aloiai in defence and as good in attack. If he knows he's not going to have to make 50 tackles a game hopefully he can work on his attack and running game more.
And his stats are inflated for some reason. He's not 190cm, moreso about 185 and 100kgs.
ET out wide i don't know. I guess he's no worse than the guys we've been playing there but he's not really a runner. One of the problems with our attack is that none of our back rowers threaten the line so the defence can gang up on the likely targets. Chee Kam is the only back rower who looks capable of making a break, Lawrence can run through a gap if there is one, but he can't create one for himself or a team mate. Don't think ET can either but he's better than Lovett, Edwards, Lawrence and Aloiai in defence and as good in attack. If he knows he's not going to have to make 50 tackles a game hopefully he can work on his attack and running game more.
And his stats are inflated for some reason. He's not 190cm, moreso about 185 and 100kgs.
Masterton
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I would love to come back to the Warriors one day,” Taylor told the NZ Herald.
“I’ve left the door open for continued discussions but they haven’t got back to me.
“The new offer from the Tigers that’s on the table for me to sign right now is really good. I’m loving it here and it’s been awesome (playing under Ivan again).”
“I’ve left the door open for continued discussions but they haven’t got back to me.
“The new offer from the Tigers that’s on the table for me to sign right now is really good. I’m loving it here and it’s been awesome (playing under Ivan again).”
larrycorowa
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I think it wAs clear that et was better suited to an edge as it meant we lacked a middle metre eater. He has good lateral movement and great experience. The pack look much more balanced just neeed a strike bavkrower and 80 min hooker.
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newtiger
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I can't believe that after 1win against a team that didn't turn up, people on here want to get rid of one of our best performers.
I glad that I'm not in the trenches we some of you guys, you'd get stabbed in the back pretty quickly.
I glad that I'm not in the trenches we some of you guys, you'd get stabbed in the back pretty quickly.
