It is time for SHEENS to go.

[westTAHger]

How long can injuries be used as a excuse for a poor win/loss record? Most forum experts and keyboard heroes have stated that this club has great depth. Injuries excuse out the window.

What can't be excused is brain dead team selections. Players out of position and poor bench selection/rotation. If the club has so much depth then why are players moved around to accommodate a injured player ? Should be a straight swap with a similar player. If Moltzen is a fullback then I'm a skinny Ethiopian!

The players can't be excused either for inconsistent performances. Stupid errors, dropped balls, nothing penalties and the general failure to execute the basics of the game - catch, run, pass and kick!

Should Sheens go now? Probably not. 7 games into a season isn't time to hit the panic button and have a week in Kiama. The club though should hold out till around round 15 before considering re-signing Mr 42.8%.

Options - Folkes, Brown, Dymock, Gentle

I agree, footy is a business.
as we all know there are no friends in business.
if a player does not perform he is dropped.
if a coach does not perform, get the most or best from his players, then what happens to him??
does he get taken aside and spoken to?
by who?
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[batboy]

Sorry, It's reads worse than it was intended. No what i am saying is that, He is being outmuscled every week by hulking, fast polynesian wingers week after week… It is far from racism to openly admit that Anglo Saxon athletes are by far less superior over the history of ALL SPORT!! These days, There are the Folaus, Vidots, Vatuvais, Tuiakis, of the game is where it is headed.
It's not 1985 anymore!! Slow and Small understrength guys don't have the impact on the edges

 

[system]

I would miss Sheensanigans Tuesdays too much

 

[Balmain_Bug]

Sheens said in the offseason he was a massive fan of Mitch Brown and the effort he put in for us in 2010\. What the heck has happened with Sheens now nit aging him at 1 ??

Hopefully Penrith do sign him. Wigan need a coach as well.

WT will go top 4 easy in 2012 if he is gone.

 

[chalky]

Chalky,

Your winning percentage stats are a joke. Pre 1996 is ancient history mate. d*** Johnson once won the Australian touring car championship, should he be hired to drive today?

How are these stats of all the worst performing teams that have been in the comp since 2000, the amount of times they have made the semis;
Canberra - 7 times !!!!!
Nth QLD - 3 times !!
Warriors - 6 times !!!
Penrith - 4 times !!!

Wests tigers have made the semis on least occasions than ANY other team in the NRL.

Take that stat home buddy

They are not my stats BUDDY, as i put on my post i got them from the NZ herald website. I didnt realise i was suppose to filter them so that they showed winning percentages of coaches when the wind was blowing from the east, the games were played at 5.30 on a Saturday and the ref of the game had a double barrell name. Sorry BUDDY, my mistake.
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Interesting stat is of your list of teams who have made the semis more than us, only Penrith have actually won the comp. I wonder if Raiders supporters would swap their 7 failed visits to the finals for an actual premiership.

Shit one point away from the big one last year wasnt a bad effort.

Carn the Tigers, carn Sir Sheens, in you we trust!

 

[bbobb]

I can see where Bug is coming from but if realistically if we had won two-three more games this season, would this thread even be in existance? We were one game and point away from a GF last year. I suppose my point is that it is way too early to start dropping the axe.

The Melbourne Cup is not won by the horse that passes the winning post the first time. It is the horse that rounds the bend in a good position coming home that invariably wins it. Sheens just needs to make sure our win-loss ratio is 70%+ in between the last SOO match and the end of season to ensure we enter the semis with good form.

The other point to consider is "who" will replace him. It is all well and good to come with names but if you don't pick a coach that compliments the team it will be even worse. Just because you drop the coach does not mean you can automatically get new players. Look at Steve Kearney at Parra. He coaches like Bellamy at the a storm but simply does not have the cattle to make it work.

Wests Tigers have a mobile pack of forwards who attempt to use skill and guile rather than bash their opponents. We also have the worlds most attacking genius in Benji and the arguably the games most skillful and attackingly dominant dummy-half.

So the question remains, given the current construct of our team. Who is the most qualified to lead our team? I'll make it easy they don't even have to be available. I would say that even Bennet IS NOT the obvious choice (he plays a power game that I believe does not suit the players we have)

 

[Flippedy]

A change is as good as a holiday, so the saying goes. I like Sheens, but perhaps he has grown a bit stale being here for so long. Sheensy sure has been given more chances than most. He would have been long gone if he was coaching another team that had our performance record over the past 5 years.

Everyone is asking who could we get to replace him? Well, we have a ready made, premiership winning coach already in our ranks, so the obvious choice for me would be Folkes. He needs to be back coaching, not just doing this strength and conditioning BS. If he was given the reins, without interference, I'm pretty certain he would make more 'sensible' team selections and could instill some of that missing 'mongrel' into the team that we all so long to see, on a consistent basis.

 

[spudoakes]

im a fonz supporter but im starting to side with bug. We need a changing of the guard

Who would you replace him with Spudoakes?

id give folkes ago his overall record was pretty good

 

[Balmain_Bug]

A change is as good as a holiday, so the saying goes. I like Sheens, but perhaps he has grown a bit stale being here for so long. Sheensy sure has been given more chances than most. He would have been long gone if he was coaching another team that had our performance record over the past 5 years.

Everyone is asking who could we get to replace him? Well, we have a ready made, premiership winning coach already in our ranks, so the obvious choice for me would be Folkes. He needs to be back coaching, not just doing this strength and conditioning BS. If he was given the reins, without interference, I'm pretty certain he would make more 'sensible' team selections and could instill some of that missing 'mongrel' into the team that we all so long to see, on a consistent basis.

:righton:

 

[glebe_tiger]

i see both sides of the argument here and understand peoples frustrations but remove sheens and replace him with who? we wont be a top 4 side overnight with his removal unlike what people think. i reckon we will struggle for a season or 2 if and when he goes, takes time for any new coach to get settled and to get playing roster he wants. i was a sheens hater for a longtime but with the injuries and all this year cant be blaming anyone for that. i think he deserves another 2 years and thats that with him, he can stay on with the club after that in some directing role. there arent really many good available coaches out there and people can name a few but would you really want them here? folkes deserves the job after sheens. i dont rate bennett as highly as most people do either, he has always been at bigmoney clubs that have money to burn or have superstar rosters already. if bennett really can walk on water (as what people are lead to believe) then why hasnt he ever gone to a struggling club and turned their fortunes around with his mystical powers?

 

[Snodgrass]

Don't you guys remember the rabble that was Wests Tigers pre Sheens. We were like a friggin bikie gang with footy boots.
The bloke has built discipline into the club. A club we are all proud of today.

We've got an injury list longer than Bugs face and hey, we're actually in the eight.

I'd also love to know the bricks and motar of the alleged stats - Souths were missing for a few years, Titans are new so we've won more games than either of them (as opposed the glass half empty way of looking at losses) - Nth Qld ???. And how can Sheens be hung on the years before he arrived … what are the overall stats in the Sheens @ Wests era ?????? (remembering he started from below scratch - with a rabble)

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Nathan brown would be OK….
I'd like a change - a wholesale change, not from withing to a sheensified apprentice, my interest is waning, the players out of position, the bench....the defense.
The recruitment has improved, a change in coach is no guarantee of improvement, but I think it would do all the palyers a world of good.
Farah, Lawrence Heighno Liam, Bryce, Blake, Simon, Andrew Gareth , Lui Marshall Moltzen Meaney Miller Murdoch Masilla have never had a diff NRL coach....like driving the same car for years, jump in a new one and it opens up a whole new world.
Bit over the top with the name calling Bug, coward and dismal failure he's not....I'd love to have a few beers with sheens and talk footy.

A very fair assessment Ink…

I'm sometimes lost for words when I see players playing out of position, but I'm more dissapointed when it appears our preparation has not been good... I know we have a Senior Players Group who have an input into training and game day preparations, but Sheens has to accept the accountability which comes from his role as the Chief. Ultimately he is accountable, and if he is allowing players or other influences (like recruitment officers) to determine our on field performance, he is just plain silly.

Tim appears to be a great mentor, but maybe a change is in the wings for some fresh ideas?

 

[Guest]

The irony of this thread is that despite all the whinging Sheens will re-sign with the Tigers anyway.

 

[Icon]

I keep reading how well we went last year, did we really go that well. While on the surface it does looks good, One week before the grand final, one point loss to the eventual winner. Lets look at it a bit deeper. We struggled into the semi's, played some really ugly footy and had some really ugly wins. We than lost to the roosters, beat the raiders but we honestly were pretty close to lossing that, one straight kick and we were going out the back door in straight sets. We then lost the next game to the dragons. So 2 losses and one lucky win in the semis.

Just trying to point out maybe we are playing to our average standard right now, it how we played the majority of last year. Maybe instead of judging the year on a few week from last year, we should be looking at how we play the majority of the time.

 

[tiger4ever]

Chalky,

Your winning percentage stats are a joke. Pre 1996 is ancient history mate. d*** Johnson once won the Australian touring car championship, should he be hired to drive today?

How are these stats of all the worst performing teams that have been in the comp since 2000, the amount of times they have made the semis;
Canberra - 7 times !!!!!
Nth QLD - 3 times !!
Warriors - 6 times !!!
Penrith - 4 times !!!

Wests tigers have made the semis on least occasions than ANY other team in the NRL.

Take that stat home buddy

They are not my stats BUDDY, as i put on my post i got them from the NZ herald website. I didnt realise i was suppose to filter them so that they showed winning percentages of coaches when the wind was blowing from the east, the games were played at 5.30 on a Saturday and the ref of the game had a double barrell name. Sorry BUDDY, my mistake.
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Interesting stat is of your list of teams who have made the semis more than us, only Penrith have actually won the comp. I wonder if Raiders supporters would swap their 7 failed visits to the finals for an actual premiership.

s*** one point away from the big one last year wasnt a bad effort.

Carn the Tigers, carn Sir Sheens, in you we trust!

Wests tigers will probably never win another premiership so dont ever forget what he acheived with us on his 3rd year.

06- 11th
07- 9th missed out by for and against great effort considering the massive injury toll we had
08- 10th Lost a few key players like benji and robbie for long periods.
09- 9th missed out by 1 point
10- 3rd Very good season and if we didnt get rorted against the roosters we would have made the grand final as we wouldnt of had to play raiders at canberra and dragons to qualify.

I dont see how you could say we have been unsuccesful.

 

[tiger4ever]

The irony of this thread is that despite all the whinging Sheens will re-sign with the Tigers anyway.

pmsl great move wests tigers

This thread appears every 2 or 3 weeks so its hardly anything new.Just keep refreshing this one for the rest of the season so it there for next time.Call it bugs thread.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

tiger4ever,

I am saying we have made the semis less than any other team that has contested since we entered the comp. Finishing our standard 9th place is not successful.

Top 4 is successful.

 

[IronTiger]

I have supported Wests with my heart and soul since 1976\. Wests are my life.

Wests Tigers have lost more games than ANY other team in the NRL since their inception. Sheens has been coach almost 9 of those 12 seasons.

They are the cold hard facts.

Who to replace him? Any coach in the NRL can replace him because every other coach has a higher win/loss ratio than Sheens.

Stats don't lie. He is the worst coach in the NRL today by a country mile.

You people say I was in hiding when we came one point if making the Grand Final , are you crediting Sheens for that good run? Should you not then 'credit' him for Wests Tigers having lost more games than any other team since there inception?

Go away and think about that.

No one is crediting Sheen's alone for winning games Bug but when you blame him alone for loses it's a credible counter argument.

To use stats as a basis of an argument is in itself is pointless. Stats can be twisted anyway you wish but fail to show emotion, enjoyment and pride. Yes ok WESTS TIGERS have made the finals twice in Sheen's tenure as coach and yes we have lost games and we have won games. We may in that time have a worse win/loss record than teams like the Sharks, Bunnies, Roosters, Cowboys, Panthers, Eels, Bulldogs, Knights, Warriors and Raiders etc but so what. History does'nt show these teams with huge success recently and remember only one club can win a comp and with 16 clubs fighting tooth and nail each year 15 will be disapointed, or would be if you base everytthing on facts, figures, winning and losing.

I have endless happy memories in the past 10 years following the Tigers regardless if we won or lost and this will continue. It's about support and taking the knocks and enjoying the comebacks and success IF it comes and if not well there is always next week.

:sign:

 

[redemption]

I have supported Wests with my heart and soul since 1976\. Wests are my life.

Wests Tigers have lost more games than ANY other team in the NRL since their inception. Sheens has been coach almost 9 of those 12 seasons.

They are the cold hard facts.

Who to replace him? Any coach in the NRL can replace him because every other coach has a higher win/loss ratio than Sheens.

Stats don't lie. He is the worst coach in the NRL today by a country mile.

**You people say I was in hiding when we came one point if making the Grand Final** , are you crediting Sheens for that good run? Should you not then 'credit' him for Wests Tigers having lost more games than any other team since there inception?

Go away and think about that.

You were in hiding mate - and you took no joy from our success because you were too busy death-riding the coach to support this team that you claim to love so passionately!!!

Mate if you were a bit more balanced - objective - thoughtful and unbiassed maybe your suggestions would hold more sway!!

You do make the odd fair point - but the constant repitition of twisted stats and name-calling has made you into a farce of enormous proportions!!

Your contention that stats prove every coach out there is superior would not win a primary school debate!!!

 

[Geo]

tiger4ever,

I am saying we have made the semis less than any other team that has contested since we entered the comp. Finishing our standard 9th place is not successful.

Top 4 is successful.

Wrong….a Premiership is successful....anything else is well 2nd place...