innsaneink
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Personal attacks, nothing of substance - you are very weak Tiger05
I dont need your shlt when I post my opinion on a topic. Troll
I dont need your shlt when I post my opinion on a topic. Troll
It is time for SHEENS to go.
- Thread starter Balmain_Bug
- Start date
So if Sheens goes Benji goes… does that mean Benji really isnt even passionate about our team?
well Clearly our coach isn't getting into the players heads because mentally they make the same mistakes every week every month and every year
dropping the ball after scoring
giving away penalties late in the tackle count
choking leads.
kicking early in the tackle count late in the game with a 4 point lead.
not kicking bombs when most teams fluke trys and wins from them.
not liking wingers that can catch bombs where most trys are scored these days/
no killer instinct
This has been going on since 2004, and yes 2005 the same things happened apart from 3 good months near the end of the year.
All those things above the dragons do and its the only reason that boring team of all time can win most games.
When the same mistakes have been happening mentally for the past 7 years its time to start asking the question, is the coach getting to the players? well the dragons worked that one out.
well Clearly our coach isn't getting into the players heads because mentally they make the same mistakes every week every month and every year
dropping the ball after scoring
giving away penalties late in the tackle count
choking leads.
kicking early in the tackle count late in the game with a 4 point lead.
not kicking bombs when most teams fluke trys and wins from them.
not liking wingers that can catch bombs where most trys are scored these days/
no killer instinct
This has been going on since 2004, and yes 2005 the same things happened apart from 3 good months near the end of the year.
All those things above the dragons do and its the only reason that boring team of all time can win most games.
When the same mistakes have been happening mentally for the past 7 years its time to start asking the question, is the coach getting to the players? well the dragons worked that one out.
innsaneink
Well-known member
@Golden said:
Been some time since that has been no longer the case, marshalls contract has no clause tying him to Sheens at all.
fergiefurr
New member
Somethig that cracks me up is sheens saying he won't pick players out of position for Australia, yet he does it every single week for us.
redemption
New member
@Balmain Bug said:
Stats do lie bug - try telling anyone with a clue that Elliott, Henry, Furner, Flanagan, Stone, Lang etc are better coaches than him due to your misinterpretation of stats and you'd be laughed out of the room!!!
Sheens is not a god and is far from infallible - but he is not the anti-christ that you continually attempt to portray either!!
reading the thread through most people are blaming injuries on the bad form.. I am sorry but the team makes the same mistakes as I listed regardless of who's in and out of the team, and its been the same way for 7 years. ( am excluding 2003 as it was Sheens rebuilding the rubbish we had left from Lambs mess)
I think he is just getting stale, he still thinks its the mid 90s, when clearly most teams are looking to score trys from kicks and defending trys from kicks. the kicking game is such a big part in todays game in 2011 its something we have never had. maybe when Prince was in there it was at its best but its terrible, do we ever score a try off a bomb?? or look for 6 more after a bomb? god look how the warriors won last night
I think he is just getting stale, he still thinks its the mid 90s, when clearly most teams are looking to score trys from kicks and defending trys from kicks. the kicking game is such a big part in todays game in 2011 its something we have never had. maybe when Prince was in there it was at its best but its terrible, do we ever score a try off a bomb?? or look for 6 more after a bomb? god look how the warriors won last night
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chalky
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@Balmain Bug said:
WINNING RECORDS
* Anthony Griffin: 83 per cent
* Craig Bellamy: 66 per cent
* Wayne Bennett: 64 per cent
* Kevin Moore: 57 per cent
* Des Hasler: 56 per cent
* John Lang: 56 per cent
* Brian Smith: 52 per cent
* John Cartwright: 52 per cent
* Tim Sheens: 51 per cent
* Ivan Cleary: 48 per cent
* Shane Flanagan: 46 per cent
* Rick Stone: 46 per cent
* Matt Elliott: 46 per cent
* David Furner: 43 per cent
* Neil Henry: 41 per cent
* Stephen Kearney: 33 per cent
From http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10721261
redemption
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@Golden said:
Every team that has relied on kicking to score their tries has struggled in semis (Penrith in 2010 being the most recent example)!!
Sheens has a great mind for attacking running football - but we could do with a defensive coach who provides a bit more starch!!
fergiefurr
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Those stats are for the whole career
Bring up since 1996 and they will tell a different story.
Bring up since 1996 and they will tell a different story.
@Golden said:
You want to blame Sheens now for drop balls and other mistakes that are made at junior level? Does he tell the players to drop the ball? Take a look at the part I bolded, does your own writing not tell you something? We're probably the most deadliest team with the ball especially with our 5th tackle options yet you want to revert from that and put up bombs??? To me, that's going backwards. I'd rather take my chances and throw it out wide like we do.
Joel Helmes
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I would like to summarise the situation from my perspective.
Firstly I like Tim as a person, he has had a wonderful coaching career and respect and admire what he has achieved here.
His recruitment and player development from late 2002 when he took over right up to grand final night in 2005 was brilliant.
He has been there for the strengtening and development of the club off field and Wests Tigers are now truly a powerhouse.
After 2005 however I believe the club really lost its way on field - the handling of the halfback situation after Scott Princes departure from the club was a **dismal failure** and some of the other recruitment was **dreadful**.
In more recent years the addition of Ellis and Tuqiri and the further development of guys including Lawrence and Galloway has been excellent.
Like everyone else (including Tim's biggest supporters) there are frustrations with some of the decisions that are made, not once but **over and over again**.
It has been a massive 9 year campaign with heaps of ups and downs and I think the biggest issue that needs to be looked at is whether a fresh perspective needs to be brought in.
The thing that stands out to me from that Broncos game on Friday night is that we are still too light, too flimsy and too small and **I am sick of getting monstered**.
Look at the teams at the top of the table - Melbourne, Broncos, Bulldogs, Dragons they all have big forward packs and big fast backs (I realise two of our big fast backs are out injured).
It always seems that we are trying 'manufacture" players, or play the game in a style that isn't condusive to the rules and style of play in the NRL at the time.
Personally, as I have stated before I would have Steve Folkes in the top job at the drop of a hat if a change was to be made.
Firstly I like Tim as a person, he has had a wonderful coaching career and respect and admire what he has achieved here.
His recruitment and player development from late 2002 when he took over right up to grand final night in 2005 was brilliant.
He has been there for the strengtening and development of the club off field and Wests Tigers are now truly a powerhouse.
After 2005 however I believe the club really lost its way on field - the handling of the halfback situation after Scott Princes departure from the club was a **dismal failure** and some of the other recruitment was **dreadful**.
In more recent years the addition of Ellis and Tuqiri and the further development of guys including Lawrence and Galloway has been excellent.
Like everyone else (including Tim's biggest supporters) there are frustrations with some of the decisions that are made, not once but **over and over again**.
It has been a massive 9 year campaign with heaps of ups and downs and I think the biggest issue that needs to be looked at is whether a fresh perspective needs to be brought in.
The thing that stands out to me from that Broncos game on Friday night is that we are still too light, too flimsy and too small and **I am sick of getting monstered**.
Look at the teams at the top of the table - Melbourne, Broncos, Bulldogs, Dragons they all have big forward packs and big fast backs (I realise two of our big fast backs are out injured).
It always seems that we are trying 'manufacture" players, or play the game in a style that isn't condusive to the rules and style of play in the NRL at the time.
Personally, as I have stated before I would have Steve Folkes in the top job at the drop of a hat if a change was to be made.
How long can injuries be used as a excuse for a poor win/loss record? Most forum experts and keyboard heroes have stated that this club has great depth. Injuries excuse out the window.
What can't be excused is brain dead team selections. Players out of position and poor bench selection/rotation. If the club has so much depth then why are players moved around to accommodate a injured player ? Should be a straight swap with a similar player. If Moltzen is a fullback then I'm a skinny Ethiopian!
The players can't be excused either for inconsistent performances. Stupid errors, dropped balls, nothing penalties and the general failure to execute the basics of the game - catch, run, pass and kick!
Should Sheens go now? Probably not. 7 games into a season isn't time to hit the panic button and have a week in Kiama. The club though should hold out till around round 15 before considering re-signing Mr 42.8%.
Options - Folkes, Brown, Dymock, Gentle
What can't be excused is brain dead team selections. Players out of position and poor bench selection/rotation. If the club has so much depth then why are players moved around to accommodate a injured player ? Should be a straight swap with a similar player. If Moltzen is a fullback then I'm a skinny Ethiopian!
The players can't be excused either for inconsistent performances. Stupid errors, dropped balls, nothing penalties and the general failure to execute the basics of the game - catch, run, pass and kick!
Should Sheens go now? Probably not. 7 games into a season isn't time to hit the panic button and have a week in Kiama. The club though should hold out till around round 15 before considering re-signing Mr 42.8%.
Options - Folkes, Brown, Dymock, Gentle
Balmain_Bug
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Chalky,
Your winning percentage stats are a joke. Pre 1996 is ancient history mate. Dick Johnson once won the Australian touring car championship, should he be hired to drive today?
How are these stats of all the worst performing teams that have been in the comp since 2000, the amount of times they have made the semis;
Canberra - 7 times !!!!!
Nth QLD - 3 times !!
Warriors - 6 times !!!
Penrith - 4 times !!!
Wests tigers have made the semis on least occasions than ANY other team in the NRL.
Take that stat home buddy
Your winning percentage stats are a joke. Pre 1996 is ancient history mate. Dick Johnson once won the Australian touring car championship, should he be hired to drive today?
How are these stats of all the worst performing teams that have been in the comp since 2000, the amount of times they have made the semis;
Canberra - 7 times !!!!!
Nth QLD - 3 times !!
Warriors - 6 times !!!
Penrith - 4 times !!!
Wests tigers have made the semis on least occasions than ANY other team in the NRL.
Take that stat home buddy
haha now we have to adjust stats to suit the argument
Perhaps we should have chased Brian Smith harder…..duck egg
Perhaps we should have chased Brian Smith harder…..duck egg
Maybe there is something in Sheens not re-signing and Penrith announcing that Matt Elliots' tenure at the club is finished as of this year.
Maybe he is heading back?? (Pure speculation of course….)
I am a MASSIVE Sheens fan... But I wish i could ask him the following questions?
1: How does he think more experience and game time will make Tim Moltzen a FB, Sure... His skill levels and positional play may improve... But when you are scared, you're scared!! All the experience in the world will not change what's inside.
2: How does a small, Slow white winger who is far from a grade player get picked week after week in todays game? Beau ryan IS NOT a grade player Mitch Brown IS... How Beau gets picked before Mitch is beyond me?
Mitch is Bigger, Faster, Far more skillful and should be picked above Beau 8 days a week.
3: He is not using a 4 man baench rotation... Maybe the only coach in the league? WHY??? It is there for a reason... Putting the 17th man on for 5 Minutes at the end of a game we CAN'T win is of no benefit to anyone... Especially man 17.
Like I said, i am a BIG fan... But I can't agree with our team selections while Beau Ryan is picked. Apart from maybe 3-4 Good (Not Great) games last year, He is ordinary at best. Nice guy... But if you don't have it... You don't have it!!
Maybe he is heading back?? (Pure speculation of course….)
I am a MASSIVE Sheens fan... But I wish i could ask him the following questions?
1: How does he think more experience and game time will make Tim Moltzen a FB, Sure... His skill levels and positional play may improve... But when you are scared, you're scared!! All the experience in the world will not change what's inside.
2: How does a small, Slow white winger who is far from a grade player get picked week after week in todays game? Beau ryan IS NOT a grade player Mitch Brown IS... How Beau gets picked before Mitch is beyond me?
Mitch is Bigger, Faster, Far more skillful and should be picked above Beau 8 days a week.
3: He is not using a 4 man baench rotation... Maybe the only coach in the league? WHY??? It is there for a reason... Putting the 17th man on for 5 Minutes at the end of a game we CAN'T win is of no benefit to anyone... Especially man 17.
Like I said, i am a BIG fan... But I can't agree with our team selections while Beau Ryan is picked. Apart from maybe 3-4 Good (Not Great) games last year, He is ordinary at best. Nice guy... But if you don't have it... You don't have it!!
fergiefurr
New member
@Geo. said:
Laure Daley has a better winning record at 5/8 then benji, maybe we should sign him?
You know since Pre 96 stats are important and all
Sorry, It's reads worse than it was intended. No what i am saying is that, He is being outmuscled every week by hulking, fast polynesian wingers week after week… It is far from racism to openly admit that Anglo Saxon athletes are by far less superior over the history of ALL SPORT!! These days, There are the Folaus, Vidots, Vatuvais, Tuiakis, of the game is where it is headed.
It's not 1985 anymore!! Slow and Small understrength guys don't have the impact on the edges
It's not 1985 anymore!! Slow and Small understrength guys don't have the impact on the edges
