It Should Be Moses

stevied

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Mitchell Moses should be the five eighth for the West Tigers against Manly tonight and these are the reasons why;
1\. He is a real five eighth with real five eighth skills including superior passing and kicking.
2\. He has an established combination with Luke Brooks.
3\. He will provide more variety and penetration in attack by opening up the right side.
4\. He will take pressure off Luke Brooks.
5\. He will gain valuable experience and provide insight into his readiness for the
position.
Blake Austin has been a valuable player for the Tigers this year by providing a spark off the bench but is he a play maker? His strengths are his broken field running and his ability to make individual bursts when the opposition defenses are tired. I don't seem him as a creator. Additionally, he doesn't have a great kicking game. People on this forum will suggest that Moses isn't ready for the pressure cooker of Brookvale Oval and that he'll be found out with his light frame. But what better way to find out? From what I've seen, he's a pretty gutsy and determined character with reasonable low tackling technique and, besides, has Austin's defense been great this year? I'd give Austin another shot at fullback where he played well before. Of course, success in these two positions, depends on the work of our forwards and I'd make another change. I've said it before - Galloway does not deserve to hold his spot. He literally lumbers up, does not bend the line and is slow playing the ball. I don't agree with several posters who typecast Taupau as an impact player off the bench. He DOES bend the line and provides something the team desperately needs - tackle busting ability and aggression! He should start along with Ava instead of Sironen who belongs on the bench. And, of course, the other change that should have happened was the blooding of Asipeli Fine in the centres for Lulia but we all know that Potter is a conservative coach who is reluctant to pick players on form.
 
And, obviously I agree with you Tiger Maniac, I've been away and only just seen your Holy Moses topic!
 
I think you're confused about what a halfback and five eighth do?

All the skills you described him as having would make him a nice second half back?

The skills you described Austin is having (broken field running, indiviual bursts and taking advantage if tired defence) is what makes a good five eighth?

I'm not saying moses doesn't posses those abilities, but austin certainly does as well.
 
From what i can see fullback and five eight are not that different. Do you really want defensive liabilities both sides of the ruck?

Let Moses find his feet at the back without having to worry about forwards charging at him 3-4 times each set.
 
Moses can chime into the line AS a 5/8 all he wants. But it removes the high possibility of a 2nd rower being massively exposed at fullback once other teams can build team plans around that (usually good teams, not the raiders).

also i recall hearing whispers that austin wasn't massively comfortable playing fullback for the next 10 weeks (or at least a few weeks).
 
Let Moses and Austin fight it out. Best man at 6 gets the job and West Tigers benefit from it. Nice to have some real contenders for the same spot. Can only make our side stronger from it.
 
We traditionally play a left & right halves pairing and the link between the 2 are very limited… Ultimately, it comes down to which player will allow the other player to do there thing without being too dominant.

Luke looks far more comfortable when Anasta has been on the pitch, and tends to labour a little whenever Austin is playing first or second receiver.

If Luke can start asserting his authority over Blake, I'm happy for Moses to build into his career from the Fullback position and inject himself where needed... Potter needs to see how it unfolds first before making any changes.
 
@Majere77 said:
I think you're confused about what a halfback and five eighth do?

All the skills you described him as having would make him a nice second half back?

The skills you described Austin is having (broken field running, indiviual bursts and taking advantage if tired defence) is what makes a good five eighth?

I'm not saying moses doesn't posses those abilities, but austin certainly does as well.

It appears you're still in the 90's. The Tigers, as well as most NRL clubs operate with one half on one side of the field, and the other on the other side of the field.
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Therefore both halves need to essentially be halfbacks, otherwise the winger and centre on one side will never touch the ball. See Anasta - Simona and Nofo as a premium example of that!

The main reason Moses is playing fullback is because he:

a. has played there before
b. has better positioning skills than Austin
c. is small and so more hidden in defence than being in the line
d. there are no other players in our top 25 who can play fullback (without reshuffling our starting lineup)
 
I agree with you Balmain Boy! Two halfbacks are what is required. We'll see how it shakes out. Anasta may have been a great mentor to Brooks but the Tigers needed another player to set up the play out wide. Not sure if Austin can do that.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
@Majere77 said:
I think you're confused about what a halfback and five eighth do?

All the skills you described him as having would make him a nice second half back?

The skills you described Austin is having (broken field running, indiviual bursts and taking advantage if tired defence) is what makes a good five eighth?

I'm not saying moses doesn't posses those abilities, but austin certainly does as well.

It appears you're still in the 90's. The Tigers, as well as most NRL clubs operate with one half on one side of the field, and the other on the other side of the field.
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Therefore both halves need to essentially be halfbacks, otherwise the winger and centre on one side will never touch the ball. See Anasta - Simona and Nofo as a premium example of that!

The main reason Moses is playing fullback is because he:

a. has played there before
b. has better positioning skills than Austin
c. is small and so more hidden in defence than being in the line
d. there are no other players in our top 25 who can play fullback (without reshuffling our starting lineup)

I thought Austins positional play was better and that was his first crack at being fullback.
 
-We wanted Robbie to be the NSW Hooker - It happened
-We wanted Brooks - Well he is now in
-Along the way we have wanted a lot of things - eventually happened
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It will happen, be patient, Brooks and Moses are the future halves. It will happen in due course.
Im not at that stage where i'm pushing it

First i want to see Austin get a fair chance to see what he CAN do ..
 

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