Ivan Cleary - THREAD..
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Really at the end of the day it really doesn't matter whose pulling the reigns, he's sitting on a Colt that is maybe capable of a class 3 win at Canterbury on a Wednesday, he won't be steering Winx.
We've got Packerlino for Christ's sake!!
Unless Alex Twal turns into the Burgess brothers and Fafita rolled into one, we're pushing steaming dog poo up hill anyway.
I see no players on the market that are going to provide what we need.
Bellamy would be battling to take this side into the semis.
We've got Packerlino for Christ's sake!!
Unless Alex Twal turns into the Burgess brothers and Fafita rolled into one, we're pushing steaming dog poo up hill anyway.
I see no players on the market that are going to provide what we need.
Bellamy would be battling to take this side into the semis.
The_Patriot
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Its not very often one agrees with Laurie Daley, errrr.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/laurie-daley-has-called-on-the-wests-tigers-to-focus-on-replacing-ivan-cleary-immediately-with-a-bigname-head-coach/news-story/b7b6ebe3d9c84b8ad2197de2cfa8fd88
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/laurie-daley-has-called-on-the-wests-tigers-to-focus-on-replacing-ivan-cleary-immediately-with-a-bigname-head-coach/news-story/b7b6ebe3d9c84b8ad2197de2cfa8fd88
bigsiro
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If I may, I want to talk about us fans for a moment.
We loved Ivan but that has turned sour. He hasn't yet taken us to the finals but a vast majority of us believed in him and wanted him long term.
Over 200 pages now suggest that as fans, many of us have not only lost the love but resent him being our head coach any longer.
The meeting with Penrith (however harmless we want to believe it was) was the catalyst for this extreme about face from the fans. Silly Ivan.
Right now we are a very disillusioned mob and the club needs to step up.
Ivan has a job now to convince players that he wants to build a winning dynasty here - an impossible task, considering he wants to coach his son at Penrith and build his real winning dynasty over there.
Our position on the open market is shot and the faith of his own players here must be highly dubious. I don't see how this point is arguable. (Note: Benji's comments in this regard are moot. He is only staying for another season and he would play under any coach, surely!)
Whether or not Ivan sits or goes to Panthers is a separate question. So, let's no think of it as conceding to the Panthers just yet.
But we all need to now Ivan is a sitting duck. If he stays on this year and maybe even next year he will bear the brunt from the fans, regardless of results. Being that it will be really difficult to improve our team (based on the above) it is a matter of time before poor results follow and "Ivan Out" signs appear at games. That seems harsh, but it will happen. We are a passionate lot and we want what is best for the Tigers. We all want and need a stable coaching environment, and that cannot be achieved as long as Ivan is about.
The damage is done. I think a good proportion of the fan's appreciate it is irreparable.
As such it is a pretty simple, but really sad equation; if Tigers management want the fans back, Ivan has to go.
We loved Ivan but that has turned sour. He hasn't yet taken us to the finals but a vast majority of us believed in him and wanted him long term.
Over 200 pages now suggest that as fans, many of us have not only lost the love but resent him being our head coach any longer.
The meeting with Penrith (however harmless we want to believe it was) was the catalyst for this extreme about face from the fans. Silly Ivan.
Right now we are a very disillusioned mob and the club needs to step up.
Ivan has a job now to convince players that he wants to build a winning dynasty here - an impossible task, considering he wants to coach his son at Penrith and build his real winning dynasty over there.
Our position on the open market is shot and the faith of his own players here must be highly dubious. I don't see how this point is arguable. (Note: Benji's comments in this regard are moot. He is only staying for another season and he would play under any coach, surely!)
Whether or not Ivan sits or goes to Panthers is a separate question. So, let's no think of it as conceding to the Panthers just yet.
But we all need to now Ivan is a sitting duck. If he stays on this year and maybe even next year he will bear the brunt from the fans, regardless of results. Being that it will be really difficult to improve our team (based on the above) it is a matter of time before poor results follow and "Ivan Out" signs appear at games. That seems harsh, but it will happen. We are a passionate lot and we want what is best for the Tigers. We all want and need a stable coaching environment, and that cannot be achieved as long as Ivan is about.
The damage is done. I think a good proportion of the fan's appreciate it is irreparable.
As such it is a pretty simple, but really sad equation; if Tigers management want the fans back, Ivan has to go.
GNR4LIFE
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Agree. We haven't improved under him either. Despite what the apologists like to claim.
Pawsandclaws
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More of Gould attempting to up the pressure on the WTs. Same message, different face.
I love Ivan, best coach we have had here, but if its its confirmed he signs with Penrith for 2021 **_AND_** we can secure Maguire, I'd jump at that. Im not necessarily sold on Maguire as a Coach but we do need someone with the runs on the board to attract talent.
What a lot of people here seem to be missing though is that Ivan has a contract here for another two years. We can't just "let him go" unless he agrees and if we do we can forget compensation from Penrith, we would be effectively sacking him.
What a lot of people here seem to be missing though is that Ivan has a contract here for another two years. We can't just "let him go" unless he agrees and if we do we can forget compensation from Penrith, we would be effectively sacking him.
Chicken_Faced_Killa
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Whatever happens with all of this the one thing I hope the club does is ensure we have a coach lined up before letting Ivan go. We need an established coach who can take the squad and the club forward.
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It's interesting you know, the more media crap i see with the 'Gould stamp of approval' the more I think the Panthers are doing everything in their power to push Ivan away.
To my mind, Cleary would hate all this media BS and the pressure it brings on his family. He would have a good idea where its origins are.
This also indicates to me that this media pressure on Cleary exists for a reason. The only reason for it is, Gould isn't as close to his goal as he'd like the public to think.
Another perspective
Lozza wouldn't be telling us to let Ivan go so he would be a chance would he?
If we have Ivan signed for the next two years - fact. and won't let him go.
If Nathan has a clause (as reported by Read?) in his new contract that unless Ivan is the coach at Penriff - he has an out.
Does that mean they both end up here.
Just a thought - don't believe it myself.
Wouldn't have Madge at any price by the way.
If we have Ivan signed for the next two years - fact. and won't let him go.
If Nathan has a clause (as reported by Read?) in his new contract that unless Ivan is the coach at Penriff - he has an out.
Does that mean they both end up here.
Just a thought - don't believe it myself.
Wouldn't have Madge at any price by the way.
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newtiger
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An odd apostrophe wouldn’t go astray.
“Brett Read’s” it changes the the whole context of how your post.
As I’m sure that there are millions of Brett’s that read Tweets.
If you haven’t seen that Tweet it makes it a bit hard to understand.
I really think we should stay strong on enforcing Ivan's contract for the next 2 years, call Gus's bluff and give him the option of hiring a new coach in 2020 or firing Ceraldo after he has enjoyed a year with his players and staff. We always only had the terms of Ivans contract so its business as usual and if Ivan does not commit for 2021 and beyond we have the time to source a new coach in our time NOT Gus's
tiger05premier
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Really?
I didn't know that
Maybe a sign that we have shown interest in him if in fact we know IC is on his way out
The_Patriot
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Someone gets it.
I dont know about frog marched but if he signs with Penrith its done. There is no way back.
This club cant handle another 2 years of media drama. It really cant.
Ivan was brought in to sort out this kind of rubbish, unfortunately he has only added to it.
