Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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This is my last post on Ivan Cleary because I’ve said everything that I wanted to.
I believe Ivan is now poison and anything he does at the tigers from now is just going through the motions, he tried to bring it all to a head for move to the panthers next year but things got out too soon and if the panthers are ok to wait until 2021 for him so they can keep Nathan then it will surely be a much more secretive deal written in blood between Ivan and Gus to bring that to fruition.
We are just delaying the inevitable if Ivan stays on which effects our ability to move forward and become a force.
We don’t have time to sit in a holding pattern for 2 years.
Nathan Cleary is young, he may end up with a career ending injury next week then the game will move on. Ivan led us to believe he could attract Nathan to the tigers but alas you can leed a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Ivan’s integrity is shot, he will probably come out now and deny it all and take our pay Cheques whilst he plots future plans for the panthers and Nathan incognito.
**I have friends who are panthers supporters, they tell me they would take Brooks and we have Cleary because “Nathan Cleary is not taking the line on”.**
I thought the world of Ivan but the deafening silence of his behalf only enforces what I believe to be the truth.

Gotta agree with this.I am pretty sure if Brooks was in that current panthers side with their forward and cleary currently played for us Brooks would be origin half.However I really want Ivan to stay cause the guy is definitely the best coach we have had possibly in our short history.
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Now we really getting into the world of pure fantasy
 
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One of the reporters on TV tonight said Penrith have thrown 1.6mpa+ at Ivan which is double what he is on with us.

I still think Ivan will stay but if he does I would rather he is extended if Nathan signs long term with Penrith so it forces Panthers to look elsewhere for a long term coach.

1.6mil for Ivan and then they can sign Nathan for 400k. Its thinking outside the square.

Doesn't work like that anymore - not with the operations cap NRL are introducing. The money comes out of somewhere, either player salary or operations.
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That's true. But they could spend a bit more on players than coaches if they wanted to.
 
It's unbelievable at what length Gus went to last night to justify his sacking of Griffin "Ciraldo came to me twice , handing in his resignation " , what a germ.

Griffin said on his interview on 360 that Gus said to him " you'll be shocked at the state of affairs here " referring to when Griffin was about to start his Coaching with the Panthers.

Then Gus said last night " Griffin's mistake was doing that interview on emotion , I'm not gonna sit here and allow him putting my staff down , all the hard work over the last 7 years and any success we've had is because of that not cause Griffin was here " :laughing:

but but you sacked Ivan Gus
 
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https://twitter.com/WestsTigers/status/1027705851568484352

Still no Ivan, looks like Robbie is leading the chat
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Nothing in that

That’s a player thing not a coach thing - same reason the coach isn’t in amongst the team song after a victory
 
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This is my last post on Ivan Cleary because I’ve said everything that I wanted to.
I believe Ivan is now poison and anything he does at the tigers from now is just going through the motions, he tried to bring it all to a head for move to the panthers next year but things got out too soon and if the panthers are ok to wait until 2021 for him so they can keep Nathan then it will surely be a much more secretive deal written in blood between Ivan and Gus to bring that to fruition.
We are just delaying the inevitable if Ivan stays on which effects our ability to move forward and become a force.
We don’t have time to sit in a holding pattern for 2 years.
Nathan Cleary is young, he may end up with a career ending injury next week then the game will move on. Ivan led us to believe he could attract Nathan to the tigers but alas you can leed a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Ivan’s integrity is shot, he will probably come out now and deny it all and take our pay Cheques whilst he plots future plans for the panthers and Nathan incognito.
**I have friends who are panthers supporters, they tell me they would take Brooks and we have Cleary because “Nathan Cleary is not taking the line on”.**
I thought the world of Ivan but the deafening silence of his behalf only enforces what I believe to be the truth.

Gotta agree with this.I am pretty sure if Brooks was in that current panthers side with their forward and cleary currently played for us Brooks would be origin half.However I really want Ivan to stay cause the guy is definitely the best coach we have had possibly in our short history.

Now we really getting into the world of pure fantasy
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I respectfully disagree that Ivan has been the best coach we have had. Tell me something great that Ivan has done that we would remember him by? This on the bus rubbish and his other meaningless quotes are all irrelevant. Ivan was handed his position on a silver platter and looking at us now, we are coming 9th (nothing to write home about) and could possibly be about to shaft the club. At a stretch, I'd say our defense has been better, but that's about it.
 
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It's unbelievable at what length Gus went to last night to justify his sacking of Griffin "Ciraldo came to me twice , handing in his resignation " , what a germ.

Griffin said on his interview on 360 that Gus said to him " you'll be shocked at the state of affairs here " referring to when Griffin was about to start his Coaching with the Panthers.

Then Gus said last night " Griffin's mistake was doing that interview on emotion , I'm not gonna sit here and allow him putting my staff down , all the hard work over the last 7 years and any success we've had is because of that not cause Griffin was here " :laughing:

but but you sacked Ivan Gus
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I think Gus is starting to do my head in. I dreamt last night that I was giving birth to him. When I woke up this morning I found out that I'd shit the bed.
 
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And if Cleary does take an offer at Penrith 2021, for double his salary, could you really hate him for it? Could he not do a decent job in his last 2 years? He may or may not be like Mitchell Moses, but most players (and I assume offiicals) try to give their best within their contract, even if they are leaving at some point.

The concern is that players may be reluctant to commit for a reasonable length of time to a club, if they have no idea who the coach will be in 12-24 months time.

So our recruitment efforts could take a hit fort he next season or two due to the uncertainty.

There are ways around it obviously, one of which is signing our own replacement coach for 2021, to give some certainty and stability to any potential recruits. Its a gamble committing to a coach that far ahead though.

The rest of your comments are definitely reasonable, but as nobody outside of the inner-sanctum knowing exactly what's being played out, we are all left playing out the what-ifs.

We just have to be patient it seems.
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I agree to an extent regards recruitment however that doesn't seem to have stopped the Broncos tying up their roster with Unca Wayne's uncertainty and who will be coaching them beyond 2019 or even in 2019..
 
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And if Cleary does take an offer at Penrith 2021, for double his salary, could you really hate him for it? Could he not do a decent job in his last 2 years? He may or may not be like Mitchell Moses, but most players (and I assume offiicals) try to give their best within their contract, even if they are leaving at some point.

The concern is that players may be reluctant to commit for a reasonable length of time to a club, if they have no idea who the coach will be in 12-24 months time.

So our recruitment efforts could take a hit fort he next season or two due to the uncertainty.

There are ways around it obviously, one of which is signing our own replacement coach for 2021, to give some certainty and stability to any potential recruits. Its a gamble committing to a coach that far ahead though.

The rest of your comments are definitely reasonable, but as nobody outside of the inner-sanctum knowing exactly what's being played out, we are all left playing out the what-ifs.

We just have to be patient it seems.

I agree to an extent regards recruitment however that doesn't seem to have stopped the Broncos tying up their roster with Unca Wayne's uncertainty and who will be coaching them beyond 2019 or even in 2019..
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Is there any uncertainty about who will coach the Broncos? Maybe they just have more practice at doing things better than the Panthers..
 
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The concern is that players may be reluctant to commit for a reasonable length of time to a club, if they have no idea who the coach will be in 12-24 months time.

So our recruitment efforts could take a hit fort he next season or two due to the uncertainty.

There are ways around it obviously, one of which is signing our own replacement coach for 2021, to give some certainty and stability to any potential recruits. Its a gamble committing to a coach that far ahead though.

The rest of your comments are definitely reasonable, but as nobody outside of the inner-sanctum knowing exactly what's being played out, we are all left playing out the what-ifs.

We just have to be patient it seems.

I agree to an extent regards recruitment however that doesn't seem to have stopped the Broncos tying up their roster with Unca Wayne's uncertainty and who will be coaching them beyond 2019 or even in 2019..
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When you are a Super Club, small details like who the coach is don't seem to have much of an impact on recruitment. Players will expect the Broncos to be successful regardless of the coach, and they will be given all the trappings that go along with being a Bronco in Brisbane.

We have trouble attracting big name players at the best of times. Throw this mess into the mix and things become much harder.

Like i have said in a few threads though, i can't see Penrith putting a coach on pre-order for 2021\. And all to tie up Nathan Cleary? They're just trying to pressure us into releasing Cleary without the demand for compensation. I hope we are smarter than to fall for that.
 
Two questions.
Any answer welcomed.

1\. Is it the end of the world if we let Cleary go and get heavily compensated(2 players of choice and decent $$)?

2\. Would we be better off in 5 years if Brooks leaves and the clearys stay?
 
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Two questions.
Any answer welcomed.

1\. Is it the end of the world if we let Cleary go and get heavily compensated(2 players of choice and decent $$)?

2\. Would we be better off in 5 years if Brooks leaves and the clearys stay?
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1\. Not at all.
2\. Don't understand the question.
 
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And if Cleary does take an offer at Penrith 2021, for double his salary, could you really hate him for it? Could he not do a decent job in his last 2 years? He may or may not be like Mitchell Moses, but most players (and I assume offiicals) try to give their best within their contract, even if they are leaving at some point.

The concern is that players may be reluctant to commit for a reasonable length of time to a club, if they have no idea who the coach will be in 12-24 months time.

So our recruitment efforts could take a hit fort he next season or two due to the uncertainty.

There are ways around it obviously, one of which is signing our own replacement coach for 2021, to give some certainty and stability to any potential recruits. Its a gamble committing to a coach that far ahead though.

The rest of your comments are definitely reasonable, but as nobody outside of the inner-sanctum knowing exactly what's being played out, we are all left playing out the what-ifs.

We just have to be patient it seems.

I agree to an extent regards recruitment however that doesn't seem to have stopped the Broncos tying up their roster with Unca Wayne's uncertainty and who will be coaching them beyond 2019 or even in 2019..
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They already had the roster, massive difference
 
Number 1 Buckleys
We will get what we are given
No way would we get to choose and they probably wouldn't want to come now anyway

Number 2
Extend Brooks for his Loyalty and much improved game
He deserves it
 
Can we please get Ivan to do a lap of honor at Leichhardt oval if he does leave at the end of the year

It's only fitting he gets a Royal send off from the loyal Tigers supporters
 
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Two questions.
Any answer welcomed.

1\. Is it the end of the world if we let Cleary go and get heavily compensated(2 players of choice and decent $$)?

2\. Would we be better off in 5 years if Brooks leaves and the clearys stay?
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Certainly not the end of the world. It would suck though as we are left with the players he recruited (Packer, Mats, Reynolds) which are likely to remain here hampering any strategy of a new coach.

I don't understand the second question, what are you trying to get at there? I like Brooks, but in five years time he may decide to move on and he would have my thanks. Clearys if they both came here for five years (not bloody likely) is a good stint so wouldn't begrudge them leaving then either.
 
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