Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

Who knows how long this has been going on. For all we know this could have been in the works as far back as last off season. Who knows what discussions have been had in chateau Cleary.
 
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Re analysing the pascoe video again…
the fact he mentions that we are going to 'fight this'.
It signals there is intent there by ivan, right?
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I don't think it does necessarily. It might signal that WT management is considering suing the Panthers for an attempt to coerce Cleary out of his present contract.

My speculation on the whole thing.
Panthers management meet with Cleary, ostensibly to discuss Nathan's future. In the meeting the idea of offering Ivan the Coaching position following his tenure at WT is raised. Ivan says yes in principle, and will think about it, but would rather sooner than later. It is left at that. Two weeks go by with no decision, and Gould decides to force Cleary's hand by sacking Griffin. And voila!
 
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While theres nothing funny in this situation for Fans, or anyone for that matter
I am amazed at the indignation of the club about anyone breaking a contract, its a bit of Pot calling the Kettle.

YES ! There was a settlement in these cases, and if all this is true, there will be in this as well
But Wts cant get on their high horse , and berate anyone else who'se ethics are no different to theirs.

After this settles a bit, a settlement will be reached and life will go on.
Football clubs have the ethics of an alley cat, and we are nieve if we think otherwise,
if it was them who decided to cut Ivan, for any reason, he'd be gone ,

If it wasnt for the fact that it is us involved, a lot here here, would be crowing loudly, much as we were when it was The Dogs
that were imploding earlier this year,
the club will talk tough for a while and a settlement will be reached
just another episode of the Drama that happens all the often in Rugby League
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Pretty much spot on
 
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What does Ivan say to his player's at training?
Can he actually look them all in the eye and say his still driving the Bus or continues acting like nothing has occurred.

His a piece of ….....

The scarecrow had more balls than Ivan !

:laughing: Look at you…
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It’s true !

Why hasn’t Ivan come out and fronted the media ?

Cause he’s a pussy !
 
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There are a million ways this could have gone down but my suggestion is that it possibly could have gone like this.

Ivan Cleary as stated goes to a meeting with Penrith about his son Nathan. During that meeting and with coaching uncertainty, Cleary asks who will be the coach? Penrith response at this time is 'we don't know but would you be interested in returning'? Cleary says I'm contracted with WT, but I'll never say never. Penrith says let's go to Gus Gould and see what he thinks. At this point in time there is no offer made, the meeting is iver and so there is nothing to tell the West Tigers. I wouldn't tell my employer either. Nothing has happened!

When the actual sacking of Griffin occurs Nathan Cleary then goes straight to Pascoe and says mate just letting you know that I speak to Penrith last week and the coaching came up in the conversation. Pascoe asks how far did discussions go? Cleary correctly replies that it was raised, but there was no offer.

Pascoe goes straight to the board and says there is potential for a coaching offer for Cleary, what would happen if he wanted to go? at which time it was decided vehemently that there would be no release.

The media then chase up on the potential for Cleary and even as early as the next morning, no offer had been made to Cleary. But in fact one was made later in the day.

Clearly is considering the offer, as we all would and should. None of us know what is in the offer and it might be absolutely too good to refuse.

Pascoe confirms with the media that a release will not be granted and at the same time Cleary is considering the offer and his options.

I personally don't have a problem with the above if it happened that way. I also don't have a problem if Cleary comes out today or tomorrow and says he considered an offer to return to Penrith and coach his son but he decided he would like to finish his work at the Tigers.

There is so much going around in the media they can't be trusted. 3 weeks ago Cleary and his son were at the Roosters next year. 2 weeks ago Cleary and his son were at the Brisbane Broncos next year. Last week Cleary and his son w

ere at West Tigers next year. The media are changing their stories every week and I wouldn't believe too much of what any of them say.

And as for being sick of hearing about his son, Cleary has never raised that in the media. There is a fascination and the questions come to him from the media constantly. What is he supposed to say? He gives an honest answer and people crucify him. I think it's actually refreshing.
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That’s actually pretty close to what think as well swordy

My only concern is no word from the man himself.
Either he is still contemplating or they have decided to keep low and coach - we actually have a somewhat important game on Sunday. In case all have forgotten
 
Take it with a grain of salt, but have heard Penrith have offered to pay out Cleary's contract, plus an extra 400k as a sweetener. All up could be close to 2 million.
 
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Take it with a grain of salt, but have heard Penrith have offered to pay out Cleary's contract, plus an extra 400k as a sweetener. All up could be close to 2 million.
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Apparently the Tigers are going to work out a player and money compensation deal.
 
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What does Ivan say to his player's at training?
Can he actually look them all in the eye and say his still driving the Bus or continues acting like nothing has occurred.

His a piece of ….....

The scarecrow had more balls than Ivan !
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Have to agree with this one about the scarecrow!
 
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There are a million ways this could have gone down but my suggestion is that it possibly could have gone like this.

Ivan Cleary as stated goes to a meeting with Penrith about his son Nathan. During that meeting and with coaching uncertainty, Cleary asks who will be the coach? Penrith response at this time is 'we don't know but would you be interested in returning'? Cleary says I'm contracted with WT, but I'll never say never. Penrith says let's go to Gus Gould and see what he thinks. At this point in time there is no offer made, the meeting is iver and so there is nothing to tell the West Tigers. I wouldn't tell my employer either. Nothing has happened!

When the actual sacking of Griffin occurs Nathan Cleary then goes straight to Pascoe and says mate just letting you know that I speak to Penrith last week and the coaching came up in the conversation. Pascoe asks how far did discussions go? Cleary correctly replies that it was raised, but there was no offer.

Pascoe goes straight to the board and says there is potential for a coaching offer for Cleary, what would happen if he wanted to go? at which time it was decided vehemently that there would be no release.

The media then chase up on the potential for Cleary and even as early as the next morning, no offer had been made to Cleary. But in fact one was made later in the day.

Clearly is considering the offer, as we all would and should. None of us know what is in the offer and it might be absolutely too good to refuse.

Pascoe confirms with the media that a release will not be granted and at the same time Cleary is considering the offer and his options.

I personally don't have a problem with the above if it happened that way. I also don't have a problem if Cleary comes out today or tomorrow and says he considered an offer to return to Penrith and coach his son but he decided he would like to finish his work at the Tigers.

There is so much going around in the media they can't be trusted. 3 weeks ago Cleary and his son were at the Roosters next year. 2 weeks ago Cleary and his son were at the Brisbane Broncos next year. Last week Cleary and his son w

ere at West Tigers next year. The media are changing their stories every week and I wouldn't believe too much of what any of them say.

And as for being sick of hearing about his son, Cleary has never raised that in the media. There is a fascination and the questions come to him from the media constantly. What is he supposed to say? He gives an honest answer and people crucify him. I think it's actually refreshing.

That’s actually pretty close to what think as well swordy

My only concern is no word from the man himself.
Either he is still contemplating or they have decided to keep low and coach - we actually have a somewhat important game on Sunday. In case all have forgotten
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Exactly, Cleary can put all this to bed and state he is still on the bus…..but the fact the man remains silent only adds fuel to the speculation
 
Reports that Cleary has addressed the playing group and advised them he has a "tough family decision to make"

Wests Tigers board meeting tonight to look at options including a pay out figure and player transfers
 
Ivan Cleary addressed the Wests Tigers players on Wednesday morning for the first time since news broke of Penrith's plan to lure him back.

NRL.com understands he couldn't guarantee where he would be next season. He couldn't lie to his players, admitting he had a tough family decision to make.

The Tigers have called an extraordinary board meeting on Wednesday night to discuss the future of the organisation, however as it stands Cleary has not yet asked for a release and is not expected to front the board.

Ivan Cleary addresses players as Wests Tigers discuss compensation option NRL.com
 
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What does Ivan say to his player's at training?
Can he actually look them all in the eye and say his still driving the Bus or continues acting like nothing has occurred.

His a piece of ….....

The scarecrow had more balls than Ivan !

Have to agree with this one about the scarecrow!
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Reminds me a bit of George Bush, Thanks to the Donald, he's no longer the most hated President in history. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has made him smell like roses.

Like W, JT smells like roses in comparison. Who'd have thought that was possible a week ago.
 
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Take it with a grain of salt, but have heard Penrith have offered to pay out Cleary's contract, plus an extra 400k as a sweetener. All up could be close to 2 million.
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Kings ransom. Player will be involved
 
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Take it with a grain of salt, but have heard Penrith have offered to pay out Cleary's contract, plus an extra 400k as a sweetener. All up could be close to 2 million.
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Depending on the who the next coach is, this could be a big win for us.
 
According to this article just published https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/08/08/ivan-cleary-addresses-players-as-wests-tigers-discuss-compensation-option/

Extraordinary board meeting has been called for tonight. Won't post the whole article. Ivan won't be attending but his future will be discussed.
 
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Take it with a grain of salt, but have heard Penrith have offered to pay out Cleary's contract, plus an extra 400k as a sweetener. All up could be close to 2 million.

Kings ransom. Player will be involved
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400k isnt a kings ransom, what do you suggest is acceptable for a kings ransom?

Not saying you said 400k is correct just to clarify.
 
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