Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[The_Patriot]

I think we can all agree that the NRL will let this play out, then step in AFTER Penrith get their man, and put in place an anti tampering rule for coaches. Kind of like the cripple fight in South Park where everyone stands back and watches Timmy and Jimmy beat the crap out of each other, then when their done, someone says “ok boys, that’s enough.” That’s the NRL.

Yep, I was saying this to someone a stack of pages back.

Today there is a Daily Telegraph article by Kent and someone other guy saying -

NRL dont like it and will change the rules signing coaches who ares still under contract but guess what, nothing will be in place to stop it this time.

As predicted :brick:

Borderline corrupt these guys.

The only good thing it mentioned was that we have expert on employment law on our board at the moment. He knows his stuff.

 

[tiger_one]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxqvwkmTNy8

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Brian Fletcher's comments are unbelievable.

"We could wait a year and a half. It wouldn't worry us," Fletcher said.
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""Knowing Ivan's qualities, he will honour the contract but, then again, Wests Tigers might think that if Ivan wants to coach his son and his son is going to play at Penrith, they might let him go.

So, according to them - they are willing to have a caretaker coach in Ciraldo stay on for the next 2 years while Cleary's contract plays out with us. Yet they believe they are in a so-called 'premiership-window' with their current squad. If they are to be believed, they are willing to potentially throw that away without an experienced coach for the next 2 seasons. And then say this:

"But that's up to them. We're not there to pinch Ivan off Wests Tigers."

Load of crap.

Src: https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/08/09/17/52/panthers-prepared-to-wait-for-cleary-ceo

All this talk of not knowing the facts, so we shouldn’t be too hard on Cleary ends with these quotes. Cleary here is guilty by association. If he really intended on not going anywhere, he’d retort to this, because his name would be getting dragged through the mud for no reason. He hasn’t responded because it’s true. Anyone at this point who doesn’t believe Cleary is up to his eye balls in this is in denial.

We all are entitled to our conclusions on this matter.
I just find it rather strange that people are passing judgement before all the facts are known.
And critisizing Clearys reaction to the offer where they would very likely do the same thing. Consider the offer, discuss it with their family and only then advise their current employer.
Now if you would do anything different then you would be telling me there a fairies living at bottom of your garden.

Yes you are entitled to be wrong. Sorry, if that’s harsh but that’s the truth. If I was Cleary and I was innocent and had no intention of going anywhere, and a rival teams CEO said they’re happy to wait 2 years to sign me, I’d be a little peeved that I am being misrepresented and would attempt to set the record straight. If he fronts the media at the captains run and chooses to by coy, will you still defend him? It’s obvious that’s how he’ll play it.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Brian Fletcher's comments are unbelievable.
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So, according to them - they are willing to have a caretaker coach in Ciraldo stay on for the next 2 years while Cleary's contract plays out with us. Yet they believe they are in a so-called 'premiership-window' with their current squad. If they are to be believed, they are willing to potentially throw that away without an experienced coach for the next 2 seasons. And then say this:
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Load of crap.

Src: https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/08/09/17/52/panthers-prepared-to-wait-for-cleary-ceo

All this talk of not knowing the facts, so we shouldn’t be too hard on Cleary ends with these quotes. Cleary here is guilty by association. If he really intended on not going anywhere, he’d retort to this, because his name would be getting dragged through the mud for no reason. He hasn’t responded because it’s true. Anyone at this point who doesn’t believe Cleary is up to his eye balls in this is in denial.

We all are entitled to our conclusions on this matter.
I just find it rather strange that people are passing judgement before all the facts are known.
And critisizing Clearys reaction to the offer where they would very likely do the same thing. Consider the offer, discuss it with their family and only then advise their current employer.
Now if you would do anything different then you would be telling me there a fairies living at bottom of your garden.

Yes you are entitled to be wrong. Sorry, if that’s harsh but that’s the truth. If I was Cleary and I was innocent and had no intention of going anywhere, and a rival teams CEO said they’re happy to wait 2 years to sign me, I’d be a little peeved that I am being misrepresented and would attempt to set the record straight. If he fronts the media at the captains run and chooses to by coy, will you still defend him? It’s obvious that’s how he’ll play it.

I think that he will do what his current employer advises him to do. And currently it’s to say nothing and focus on the next game.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

All this talk of not knowing the facts, so we shouldn’t be too hard on Cleary ends with these quotes. Cleary here is guilty by association. If he really intended on not going anywhere, he’d retort to this, because his name would be getting dragged through the mud for no reason. He hasn’t responded because it’s true. Anyone at this point who doesn’t believe Cleary is up to his eye balls in this is in denial.

We all are entitled to our conclusions on this matter.
I just find it rather strange that people are passing judgement before all the facts are known.
And critisizing Clearys reaction to the offer where they would very likely do the same thing. Consider the offer, discuss it with their family and only then advise their current employer.
Now if you would do anything different then you would be telling me there a fairies living at bottom of your garden.

Yes you are entitled to be wrong. Sorry, if that’s harsh but that’s the truth. If I was Cleary and I was innocent and had no intention of going anywhere, and a rival teams CEO said they’re happy to wait 2 years to sign me, I’d be a little peeved that I am being misrepresented and would attempt to set the record straight. If he fronts the media at the captains run and chooses to by coy, will you still defend him? It’s obvious that’s how he’ll play it.

I think that he will do what his current employer advises him to do. And currently it’s to say nothing and focus on the next game.

Fair enough. When you are proven to be wrong though, don’t use the defence that you were waiting to hear something concrete from Cleary because they won’t wash. There’s a difference between waiting for facts and being in denial.

 

[newtiger]

Watching a bit of the Footy show last night, Gus basically throw Ivan under the bus.
"We were prepared to wait until the end of the year to change coaches but when the Cleary intention came to light we have no choice other then tell Griffin that he would not be here next year and then it would be better if it happened straight away"
I hope Ivan was watching.
Just more of Gus PR crap.

 

[TrueTiger]

The situation is severely damaging to the WT and has been for days. Do you really think that the club would not have had Cleary in front of the media to state that he is staying if he was?

Well to be fair, No, I don't believe the club would trot their coach out to become media fodder in the midst of the frenzy. It's their job to wear the impact of the media and shield staff that have done no wrong.
Go on, keep sharpening your pitchfork.

No, it is their job to protect the club as a whole, including it's players, members and supporters. At footy training tonight it was the main topic of discussion and EVERYBODY had a similar opinion, that being, if Cleary is staying it should have been put to bed by him on Tuesday. Unless it comes from the mouths of the Penrith chair or Cleary, it is hearsay, even the statements from our CEO and chair.

You only have to look on here to see the effect that it is having and the current strategy Is utterly ridiculous if nothing is happening.

I agree that Management should be protecting the Club as a whole.
Many "FANS" have been totally absorbed by a bunch of media speculation and are ready to lynch the coach based on fluff. Some of those same "FANS" have forgotten that there is an important game this weekend. Given that the club has a commitment to try to make the finals, the best way management can look after the club is to ensure the coach can focus on his very important job. (By the way, this is something the Panthers seem to have forgotten.)
Therefore I disagree that they should push our coach out into the media spotlight just to satisfy people that jump at shadows.

I will wait until I hear a definate statement from the club re Ivan leaving….if Ivan stays and fulfills his contract until its expiry date,then has he done anything wrong ??...of course not,if he takes an offer of 1.6 mill from Penrith sobeit,he has to make a living.. if he stays he has completed his agreement with the WTs and is not bound by anything other than another offer from them to accept or not...people get to emotional about these things,this is the NRL,which includes people like Gould who are manipulative and coniving,he is the one who has sacked his coach,he is trying to manipulate the media and the WTs to take the pressure off himself anyway he can...

If Ivan does go early...I will wait until we find a suitable replacement and life goes on...hopefully into the finals in the next couple of years...Im cool about all this because it is what I have become to expect from our club over the years,,DRAMA after DRAMA....

 

[Furious1]

Maybe it plays out this way. Cleary sees out the next 2 years with us as he has a legally binding contract and we won't be pussies and roll over for anybody anymore. Meanwhile Ivan agrees to terms with Penrith from 2021 by which time Penriths "outstanding" young caretaker coach has a couple of years experience coaching an NRL side with a couple of handy assistants, achieving great results making him a coach players want to play for.
Ciraldo doesn't want to go back to being assistant coach or reserve grade coach when Cleary arrives, so WT sign him up and he brings some of those great players that he has coached through the system and won premierships with to us.
Penrith gets weaker, we get stronger and Father and son can ride off into eternity, or Spurs for a steak and a beer.

On a deadly serious note, my concern in Madge is yes he won a premiership, but he was a lot like Sheens ( With us) and Hasler in that once he did, he could not adjust his teams style of football and game plan to move with the times. He was one dimensional in his ideas.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe it plays out this way. Cleary sees out the next 2 years with us as he has a legally binding contract and we won't be pussies and roll over for anybody anymore. Meanwhile Ivan agrees to terms with Penrith from 2021 by which time Penriths "outstanding" young caretaker coach has a couple of years experience coaching an NRL side with a couple of handy assistants, achieving great results making him a coach players want to play for.
Ciraldo doesn't want to go back to being assistant coach or reserve grade coach when Cleary arrives, so WT sign him up and he brings some of those great players that he has coached through the system and won premierships with to us.
Penrith gets weaker, we get stronger and Father and son can ride off into eternity, or Spurs for a steak and a beer.

On a deadly serious note, my concern in Madge is yes he won a premiership, but he was a lot like Sheens ( With us) and Hasler in that once he did, he could not adjust his teams style of football and game plan to move with the times. He was one dimensional in his ideas.

You didn’t account for players Cleary might take with him. Marsters and Twal in particular are off contract when Cleary’s contract runs out.

 

[Furious1]

Maybe it plays out this way. Cleary sees out the next 2 years with us as he has a legally binding contract and we won't be pussies and roll over for anybody anymore. Meanwhile Ivan agrees to terms with Penrith from 2021 by which time Penriths "outstanding" young caretaker coach has a couple of years experience coaching an NRL side with a couple of handy assistants, achieving great results making him a coach players want to play for.
Ciraldo doesn't want to go back to being assistant coach or reserve grade coach when Cleary arrives, so WT sign him up and he brings some of those great players that he has coached through the system and won premierships with to us.
Penrith gets weaker, we get stronger and Father and son can ride off into eternity, or Spurs for a steak and a beer.

On a deadly serious note, my concern in Madge is yes he won a premiership, but he was a lot like Sheens ( With us) and Hasler in that once he did, he could not adjust his teams style of football and game plan to move with the times. He was one dimensional in his ideas.

You didn’t account for players Cleary might take with him. Marsters and Twal in particular are off contract when Cleary’s contract runs out.

What about Kikau and Whare or Blake or some other young kid in their system. What about our recruitment manager finding a replacement before then? theres a lot of what ifs mate

 

[momo_amp_medo]

We all are entitled to our conclusions on this matter.
I just find it rather strange that people are passing judgement before all the facts are known.
And critisizing Clearys reaction to the offer where they would very likely do the same thing. Consider the offer, discuss it with their family and only then advise their current employer.
Now if you would do anything different then you would be telling me there a fairies living at bottom of your garden.

Yes you are entitled to be wrong. Sorry, if that’s harsh but that’s the truth. If I was Cleary and I was innocent and had no intention of going anywhere, and a rival teams CEO said they’re happy to wait 2 years to sign me, I’d be a little peeved that I am being misrepresented and would attempt to set the record straight. If he fronts the media at the captains run and chooses to by coy, will you still defend him? It’s obvious that’s how he’ll play it.

I think that he will do what his current employer advises him to do. And currently it’s to say nothing and focus on the next game.

Fair enough. When you are proven to be wrong though, don’t use the defence that you were waiting to hear something concrete from Cleary because they won’t wash. There’s a difference between waiting for facts and being in denial.

I don't recall ever defending my actions or opinions after many miss-calls that I made over time.
So wont be fizzed if this is another one.
I am just calling the situation as I see it and am disappointed (just like you are) in how things are at present.

 

[supercoach]

Club is now in a no win situation through no fault of their own. Now I don’t know if Penrith and Cleary had a clever and devious plan in place or it was just the way the cards fell. The one thing I do know is, when Cleary spoke to Penrith and than to Pascoe about jumping ship he than no longer could coach at the Tigers.

The idea that now he sees out his contract and than moves on, can’t work and will not work. The trouble now of course is there is a real chance we lose a coach and get no settlement. Far fetched as it sounds but Cleary could turn around and ask the Tigers for a settlement if they decided to terminate his contract, although I doubt it would come to that.

If your waiting for the truth to come out you will be waiting a long time. From now on it will be all spin while the three players can work out a exit plan and that exit plan will have a very strong confidentiality clause in the deal

Really sad because you felt the club was starting to make big steps forward, but of course as one door closes another opens

 

[Geo]

Interesting Wests Tigers have expert employment lawyer Darren Perry on the Board…

 

[foreveratiger]

Brian Fletcher's comments are unbelievable.

"We could wait a year and a half. It wouldn't worry us," Fletcher said.
>
""Knowing Ivan's qualities, he will honour the contract but, then again, Wests Tigers might think that if Ivan wants to coach his son and his son is going to play at Penrith, they might let him go.

So, according to them - they are willing to have a caretaker coach in Ciraldo stay on for the next 2 years while Cleary's contract plays out with us. Yet they believe they are in a so-called 'premiership-window' with their current squad. If they are to be believed, they are willing to potentially throw that away without an experienced coach for the next 2 seasons. And then say this:

"But that's up to them. We're not there to pinch Ivan off Wests Tigers."

Load of crap.

Src: https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/08/09/17/52/panthers-prepared-to-wait-for-cleary-ceo

All this talk of not knowing the facts, so we shouldn’t be too hard on Cleary ends with these quotes. Cleary here is guilty by association. If he really intended on not going anywhere, he’d retort to this, because his name would be getting dragged through the mud for no reason. He hasn’t responded because it’s true. Anyone at this point who doesn’t believe Cleary is up to his eye balls in this is in denial.

We all are entitled to our conclusions on this matter.
I just find it rather strange that people are passing judgement before all the facts are known.
And critisizing Clearys reaction to the offer where they would very likely do the same thing. Consider the offer, discuss it with their family and only then advise their current employer.
Now if you would do anything different then you would be telling me there a fairies living at bottom of your garden.

You make me laugh 8 hour's ago your telling me how do I know for certain blah blah , I'm listening to to many rumours blah blah…..
Since you closed your eyes last night and woken up this morning you say that like any offer you'd be discussing it with your family blah blah , but how is that possible when Ivan hasn't said anything ? Did he text you or call you? that's what he was doing ( discussing offer with family) , here you are telling me how I'm reading into to much rumours etc.... :laughing:

Like GNR says your in denial , like so many on here some just take longer than other's to admit the realisation of it all .

 

[HabboTiger]

Will there be a coaching insider this week?

 

[bp_tiger]

Well to be fair, No, I don't believe the club would trot their coach out to become media fodder in the midst of the frenzy. It's their job to wear the impact of the media and shield staff that have done no wrong.
Go on, keep sharpening your pitchfork.

No, it is their job to protect the club as a whole, including it's players, members and supporters. At footy training tonight it was the main topic of discussion and EVERYBODY had a similar opinion, that being, if Cleary is staying it should have been put to bed by him on Tuesday. Unless it comes from the mouths of the Penrith chair or Cleary, it is hearsay, even the statements from our CEO and chair.

You only have to look on here to see the effect that it is having and the current strategy Is utterly ridiculous if nothing is happening.

I agree that Management should be protecting the Club as a whole.
Many "FANS" have been totally absorbed by a bunch of media speculation and are ready to lynch the coach based on fluff. Some of those same "FANS" have forgotten that there is an important game this weekend. Given that the club has a commitment to try to make the finals, the best way management can look after the club is to ensure the coach can focus on his very important job. (By the way, this is something the Panthers seem to have forgotten.)
Therefore I disagree that they should push our coach out into the media spotlight just to satisfy people that jump at shadows.

I will wait until I hear a definate statement from the club re Ivan leaving….if Ivan stays and fulfills his contract until its expiry date,then has he done anything wrong ??...of course not,if he takes an offer of 1.6 mill from Penrith sobeit,he has to make a living.. if he stays he has completed his agreement with the WTs and is not bound by anything other than another offer from them to accept or not...people get to emotional about these things,this is the NRL,which includes people like Gould who are manipulative and coniving,he is the one who has sacked his coach,he is trying to manipulate the media and the WTs to take the pressure off himself anyway he can...

If Ivan does go early...I will wait until we find a suitable replacement and life goes on...hopefully into the finals in the next couple of years...Im cool about all this because it is what I have become to expect from our club over the years,,DRAMA after DRAMA....

agreed with everything u have said, BUT there is one thing that worries me how the hell do we recruit players when ivan has his head more interested in joining penrith and whos going to come here knowing ivans of and they dont know who will take over.

 

[HabboTiger]

https://twitter.com/WestsTigers/status/1027705851568484352

Still no Ivan, looks like Robbie is leading the chat

 

[gallagher]

Brian Fletcher's comments are unbelievable.
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So, according to them - they are willing to have a caretaker coach in Ciraldo stay on for the next 2 years while Cleary's contract plays out with us. Yet they believe they are in a so-called 'premiership-window' with their current squad. If they are to be believed, they are willing to potentially throw that away without an experienced coach for the next 2 seasons. And then say this:
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\
\
Load of crap.

Src: https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/08/09/17/52/panthers-prepared-to-wait-for-cleary-ceo

All this talk of not knowing the facts, so we shouldn’t be too hard on Cleary ends with these quotes. Cleary here is guilty by association. If he really intended on not going anywhere, he’d retort to this, because his name would be getting dragged through the mud for no reason. He hasn’t responded because it’s true. Anyone at this point who doesn’t believe Cleary is up to his eye balls in this is in denial.

We all are entitled to our conclusions on this matter.
I just find it rather strange that people are passing judgement before all the facts are known.
And critisizing Clearys reaction to the offer where they would very likely do the same thing. Consider the offer, discuss it with their family and only then advise their current employer.
Now if you would do anything different then you would be telling me there a fairies living at bottom of your garden.

You make me laugh 8 hour's ago your telling me how do I know for certain blah blah , I'm listening to to many rumours blah blah…..
Since you closed your eyes last night and woken up this morning you say that like any offer you'd be discussing it with your family blah blah , but how is that possible when Ivan hasn't said anything ? Did he text you or call you? that's what he was doing ( discussing offer with family) , here you are telling me how I'm reading into to much rumours etc.... :laughing:

Like GNR says your in denial , like so many on here some just take longer than other's to admit the realisation of it all .

Yeah. He reckons its all conjecture but wants to give Cleary an extra 2 years on his contract. Its too funny.

 

[Balmainian]

There is no way the club should extend Cleary. I’ve been a fan but was willing to give him leeway in his first year. We most likely don’t play finals this year. What if we don’t make finals next year and we now have him for 4 years. He has shown himself to have little integrity and if the club wasn’t playing hardball he would have walked out on us on Monday. So do we really want someone like that coaching our team? I know I don’t. Only here because his lawyer told him he has to be. Get as much compensation out of the panthers and move on. Ivan is now on his own bus heading up the m4 and good riddance.

He has shown himself to have little integrity …... Really? no clear evidence on that ....Jury still out.

There is no way the club should extend Cleary. ..... Maybe yes and maybe no. Depends how the final story pans out.

I’ve been a fan but was willing to give him leeway in his first year. ..... you haven’t given him much leeway that I can see.

We most likely don’t play finals this year. ...... first thing you said that you may be right on.

What if we don’t make finals next year and we now have him for 4 years. ........What is that all about? We probably will not with any other coach.

If the club wasn’t playing hardball he would have walked out on us on Monday. ..... Really? Source?

So do we really want someone like that coaching our team? ......... Yes because he is one of the best NRL coaches around.

I don’t. ...... OK but many others would.

Only here because his lawyer told him he has to be. ......... Really? source?

Get as much compensation out of the panthers and move on....... unlikely to happen. Panthers are a smart bunch who rely on lots of fake news which some people are all to eager to swallow.

Ivan is now on his own bus heading up the m4 and good riddance........ Really? I just today saw the bus parked at Concord. Getting ready for the journey to Canberra.

Chill out Girl Scout, it’s his opinion …....source? Ahahahah.
Where’s your evidence to back that none of this happened.
Oh yeah you saw a bus at concord ....... wow sorry my bad.

 

[Newtown]

Let 's be honest with ourselves. What is so great about having your adult son in the team you are coaching? If your son loses form or is playing with an injury do you drop him from first grade? If a reserve grade player, in the same playing position as your son, shows brilliant form do you drop your son and promote the other player to first grade? Any slight hint of nepotism can cause disharmony in a team.

Nathan Cleary is now an adult and I believe that going his own way with a different coach to his father is much likely to assist rather than stifle his personal and rugby league development.