Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[Harvey]

Surely if he is meeting with another club and there is any discussion around moving on earlier he is in breach of contract.

If he confirms a move and attempts to talk to players around improving or their future (as a coach would) he is acting on behalf of another club and breaking recruitment rules.

Stand him down. No pay but still contracted and unable to work elsewhere

And we can afford that?

No pay. He is in breach of contract. Get someone else in

 

[bp_tiger]

i dont care if he stays or goes, what worries me is the lack of quality signing WE ARE NOT getting and wont get if IVAN stays, because he will not be too worried about building a team knowing he is going to the panthers in 2 years. so even if IVAN tries to signing players who will want to come knowing hes leaving as soon as he can. the situation has become untenable, therefore we should squeeze the panthers for what ever we can get and piss him off.

 

[NT_Tiger]

How do people not see we are being manipulated by Penrith. It really has nothing to do with what Ivan has or has not said anymore.

The next two years are going to be a constant barrage of media speculation and rumours.

What a way to build a club.

Who's 'we' Kemosabe?
It looks as though the media is being manipulated by Penrith, and panicked fans are being manipulated as a result, but are the Wests Tigers Management? I doubt it.
As professional business people I would hope they are not running around in circles chanting "the sky is falling". I would imagine that they either know exactly what is going on with the Cleary's, because Ivan told them, or if he's been foxing them they would have some contingencies in place.

 

[Harvey]

i dont care if he stays or goes, what worries me is the lack of quality signing WE ARE NOT getting and wont get if IVAN stays, because he will not be too worried about building a team knowing he is going to the panthers in 2 years. so even if IVAN tries to signing players who will want to come knowing hes leaving as soon as he can. the situation has become untenable, therefore we should squeeze the panthers for what ever we can get and piss him off.

We should keep him. 2 more years here will see his win record under 45% and no one has a coaching career with that record

 

[TonyTiger]

Surely if he is meeting with another club and there is any discussion around moving on earlier he is in breach of contract.

If he confirms a move and attempts to talk to players around improving or their future (as a coach would) he is acting on behalf of another club and breaking recruitment rules.

Stand him down. No pay but still contracted and unable to work elsewhere

There won’t be any compensation for us, no grounds, as Nathan, Ivan, Gould have all conspired to get the script ready after our futile early ramblings at board level when this all blew up. We should have struck while the iron was hot - I.e Penrith we’re guilty of enticing a contracted coach to break his contract which had over 2 years to run. Our threats were idle and gave Penrith the opportunity to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s …
Now they probably have a verbal plan with Ciraldo to accept the coaching roll and then roll over for Ivan as soon as we relent and cut Ivan early. That war Curaldo still gets his CV updated - ha, laughable but effective and no doubt a Gould master plan.
In any case can we still harbour Ivan after the events that have unfolded? I learnt to despite the guy overnight, the rescue rope we threw him is still intact, we should have severed it before we dragged him aboard.
You live & learn.

 

[Swordy]

I'm not sure how we lose either. I don't care if Cleary signs elsewhere after his current contract or not. Come out now, reaffirm you are at the tigers for the remainder of your contract at which time you will evaluate your position. It's the same as every other team.

Not sure how that leads to constant questions…..

We are talking about if he signs with Penrith while he is still contracted here. Surely you can figure that out?

The media will be all over it, after every loss, every potential signing etc etc.

I couldn't give a rats. Even if he signed an extension they'd be talking about it mate. The media make up whatever they like whenever they like.

Surely you remember a month ago he was done and dusted at Penrith for next year, full stop. Well guess what. He isnt!

You could ask the same questions about the other 15 coaches in the league. Man up, coach the team and if he leaves at the end of his contract well then so be it. As long as he does his best whilst he is here. 2 Years is a long time in this game and there will be 10000 other stories the media will beat up in that time.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Surely if he is meeting with another club and there is any discussion around moving on earlier he is in breach of contract.

If he confirms a move and attempts to talk to players around improving or their future (as a coach would) he is acting on behalf of another club and breaking recruitment rules.

Stand him down. No pay but still contracted and unable to work elsewhere

There won’t be any compensation for us, no grounds, as Nathan, Ivan, Gould have all conspired to get the script ready after our futile early ramblings at board level when this all blew up. We should have struck while the iron was hot - I.e Penrith we’re guilty of enticing a contracted coach to break his contract which had over 2 years to run. Our threats were idle and gave Penrith the opportunity to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s …
Now they probably have a verbal plan with Ciraldo to accept the coaching roll and then roll over for Ivan as soon as we relent and cut Ivan early. That war Curaldo still gets his CV updated - ha, laughable but effective and no doubt a Gould master plan.
In any case can we still harbour Ivan after the events that have unfolded? I learnt to despite the guy overnight, the rescue rope we threw him is still intact, we should have severed it before we dragged him aboard.
You live & learn.

The sky really is falling isn't it?

 

[851]

Penrith to offer Cleary 3 year deal, this has gone to far, we need to cut our losses.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/penrith-panthers-move-to-sign-ivan-cleary-on-threeyear-deal-from-2021/news-story/e40ff7efc76ab4bd9b65a436dc7e1298?utm_source=daily_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&utm_content=control

Of which losses do you speak?

Media is all over it, potential signings,, the losses are many associated with this whole Cleary saga

 

[Russell]

There is no way Penrith believes Ciraldo is the guy to coach them to a premiership over the next 2 years.

They are banking on WTs releasing Clearly from his contract so he can take up the gig from next year.

So if I'm Justin Pascoe i give Gus the two fingered salute and refuse to release Ivan. Almost guaranteed that Penrith withdraw the offer to Ivan and chase another high profile coach instead.

I'm not saying this because i think Ivan is the best coach since Jack Gibson, but because our club cant afford to restart yet another re-build, and Ivan should be made to see out what he agreed to do for the club.

If he wants to p1ss off after 2020 then that's his business.

Absolute gem of a post - well said Abraham agree totally with your thoughts.

 

[Lauren]

Penrith to offer Cleary 3 year deal, this has gone to far, we need to cut our losses.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/penrith-panthers-move-to-sign-ivan-cleary-on-threeyear-deal-from-2021/news-story/e40ff7efc76ab4bd9b65a436dc7e1298?utm_source=daily_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&utm_content=control

Of which losses do you speak?

Media is all over it, potential signings,, the losses are many associated with this whole Cleary saga

It doesn’t phase me one bit if he fulfills his contract or not, but this is exactly what I meant when answering someone on here to what damage this whole saga could create. IDC as much to the effect it has on stakeholders as yet, but its most detrimental to our recruitment and the team’s future.
I only hope Marina and Justin are digging the heels in.

 

[TonyTiger]

Surely if he is meeting with another club and there is any discussion around moving on earlier he is in breach of contract.

If he confirms a move and attempts to talk to players around improving or their future (as a coach would) he is acting on behalf of another club and breaking recruitment rules.

Stand him down. No pay but still contracted and unable to work elsewhere

There won’t be any compensation for us, no grounds, as Nathan, Ivan, Gould have all conspired to get the script ready after our futile early ramblings at board level when this all blew up. We should have struck while the iron was hot - I.e Penrith we’re guilty of enticing a contracted coach to break his contract which had over 2 years to run. Our threats were idle and gave Penrith the opportunity to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s …
Now they probably have a verbal plan with Ciraldo to accept the coaching roll and then roll over for Ivan as soon as we relent and cut Ivan early. That war Curaldo still gets his CV updated - ha, laughable but effective and no doubt a Gould master plan.
In any case can we still harbour Ivan after the events that have unfolded? I learnt to despite the guy overnight, the rescue rope we threw him is still intact, we should have severed it before we dragged him aboard.
You live & learn.

The sky really is falling isn't it?

Ok Chicken Little

 

[Russell]

Maguire is the play here for the Tigers and release Cleary. Penrith to buy out Ivan’s contract value say 1.5m over the two years.
Coach upgrade and cash in the bank.

1.5 million is not nearly enough.

Closer to 3.5 mill - this is not part of the cap you know.

 

[Icon]

Does having Cleary at the WT's for years to come equate to certain success?
Does Cleary leaving before next year equate to certain failure?
Does Cleary Snr and Jnr at the same club equate to certain success?
Would bringing in someone like McGuire bring the WT success or failure?

My point is, this whole drama, which ever way it works out, won't guarantee anything. So, I hope the club doesn't get emotional, but plays it smart.

 

[Russell]

Of course they would be planning this together to get the best outcome for both of them. I also think that Mrs C hates Ivan coaching against Nathan, and if putting pressure on Ivan.
I think that if all these media reports are correct Ivan’ Creditable is shot to ribbons.
I also wonder if Pascoe is meeting with Madge behind the scenes in case we do release Ivan.
I hope that the club screws Gus for a much compensation as possible.

A lesson for us: don’t resurrect a coach from the scrap heap - they’ll use it as a stepping stone to achieve their goal.. gobfor proven success.

Who do you suggest?

He'll probably suggest Madge - a coach on the scrap heap :laughing:

Was he ever on the heap and just scrap.

 

[HabboTiger]

Penriths hype machine strikes again, if you trust the sources outputting this news, oh dear.

 

[TYGA]

Maguire is the play here for the Tigers and release Cleary. Penrith to buy out Ivan’s contract value say 1.5m over the two years.
Coach upgrade and cash in the bank.

1.5 million is not nearly enough.

Closer to 3.5 mill - this is not part of the cap you know.

I know but they won’t pay that sort of money for a coach they have done the damage where in 12 months WT will be forced to release him anyway. Last year of a contract players will want to know who’s coach otherwise we will have Liddle, Brooks and others poached by other clubs.

 

[The_Patriot]

I'm not sure how we lose either. I don't care if Cleary signs elsewhere after his current contract or not. Come out now, reaffirm you are at the tigers for the remainder of your contract at which time you will evaluate your position. It's the same as every other team.

Not sure how that leads to constant questions…..

We are talking about if he signs with Penrith while he is still contracted here. Surely you can figure that out?

The media will be all over it, after every loss, every potential signing etc etc.

I couldn't give a rats. Even if he signed an extension they'd be talking about it mate. The media make up whatever they like whenever they like.

Surely you remember a month ago he was done and dusted at Penrith for next year, full stop. Well guess what. He isnt!

You could ask the same questions about the other 15 coaches in the league. Man up, coach the team and if he leaves at the end of his contract well then so be it. As long as he does his best whilst he is here. 2 Years is a long time in this game and there will be 10000 other stories the media will beat up in that time.

The other 15 coaches wont have a contract at another club while currently employed for the next two years at theirs.

Rats or no rats its the reality of what will happen if he signs for Penrith and tries to continue coaching here.

 

[Guest]

Who do you suggest?

He'll probably suggest Madge - a coach on the scrap heap :laughing:

I like Tooves…

Good to see I'm not alone on the tooves front..

Should generate plenty of investigations…

 

[Guest]

Surely if he is meeting with another club and there is any discussion around moving on earlier he is in breach of contract.

If he confirms a move and attempts to talk to players around improving or their future (as a coach would) he is acting on behalf of another club and breaking recruitment rules.

Stand him down. No pay but still contracted and unable to work elsewhere

There won’t be any compensation for us, no grounds, as Nathan, Ivan, Gould have all conspired to get the script ready after our futile early ramblings at board level when this all blew up. We should have struck while the iron was hot - I.e Penrith we’re guilty of enticing a contracted coach to break his contract which had over 2 years to run. Our threats were idle and gave Penrith the opportunity to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s …
Now they probably have a verbal plan with Ciraldo to accept the coaching roll and then roll over for Ivan as soon as we relent and cut Ivan early. That war Curaldo still gets his CV updated - ha, laughable but effective and no doubt a Gould master plan.
In any case can we still harbour Ivan after the events that have unfolded? I learnt to despite the guy overnight, the rescue rope we threw him is still intact, we should have severed it before we dragged him aboard.
You live & learn.

A few baseless assumptions in there Tony. Try and wait for some facts, I know it's hard but you'll gain a greater perspective at the end of the day.

 

[innsaneink]

There is no way Penrith believes Ciraldo is the guy to coach them to a premiership over the next 2 years.

They are banking on WTs releasing Clearly from his contract so he can take up the gig from next year.

So if I'm Justin Pascoe i give Gus the two fingered salute and refuse to release Ivan. Almost guaranteed that Penrith withdraw the offer to Ivan and chase another high profile coach instead.

I'm not saying this because i think Ivan is the best coach since Jack Gibson, but because our club cant afford to restart yet another re-build, and Ivan should be made to see out what he agreed to do for the club.

If he wants to p1ss off after 2020 then that's his business.

Absolute gem of a post - well said Abraham agree totally with your thoughts.

Yep…good post.
And I believe this is exactly what the club has done thus far
Good work Pascoe & co