Ivan Cleary

[Cultured_Bogan]

As i said earlier in the piece thats it for me. Ill watch the rest of our games but thats it.

NFL Pre Season about to start. Thankfully

Getting to the point where I'm thinking the game actually needs another superleague war. Brisbane, Easts, Souths and Melbourne can run off and have a 4 team comp and leave the rest to actually have a fairly run competition.

 

[shane2801]

Hate Cleary's guts

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Tcat
6 team comp. I agree the NRL is dying a slow and painfully administered death. It's a great game but slowly but surely the 'so what' factor is creeping into my enjoyment of it. I'm assuming others see it in a similar light.

 

[OzLuke]

Must be really feeling the pressure for an otherwise timid cat like him to have a whinge to the refs at half time.


I’m starting to think the ‘cool cat’ image is just a facade. Under pressure he’s a lying, swearing, bad tempered grub - all proven. Remember Ivan, true character is determined by how you act when no one is looking!


I agree.

Guy is a fake.

He has screwed two clubs now in similar fashion and when under pressure does dumb things.

Paul Kent blew up deluxe about him...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Must be really feeling the pressure for an otherwise timid cat like him to have a whinge to the refs at half time.


I’m starting to think the ‘cool cat’ image is just a facade. Under pressure he’s a lying, swearing, bad tempered grub - all proven. Remember Ivan, true character is determined by how you act when no one is looking!


I agree.

Guy is a fake.

He has screwed two clubs now in similar fashion and when under pressure does dumb things.

Paul Kent blew up deluxe about him...

One of the few times I've agreed with Paul Kent.

 

[4jtigers]

I liked Cleary before and I thought he was of good character but now it is all coming out in the open and it doesn't look good. I still don't know him and would just judge him with his actions of late. Looking back now, all the players that he signed up are now beginning to be has beens, it is clear now that he has no idea and never thought of the future of the club. We are in a mess because of him.

 

[jirskyr]

Started as an issue about Ivan Cleary and winds up being an anti-NRL rant.

Why does anyone really care if Cleary gets fined or not? Nobody was there and nobody knows the true details of what happened. The refs didn't even hear him and didn't report it, so what does it matter? Doesn't help Wests one iota if Cleary gets a $40K fine or no fine.

Yeah Paul Kent blew up deluxe, but beware wolf in sheep's clothing! Paul Kent is not "on your side" and is not your mate - the bloke is a professional agitator and complainer who needs to generate content on a daily basis for his newspaper and his TV show, but doesn't have the buffoonery to fall back on to fill his 27 minutes.

In the old days it was coaching and matches, not this multi-media multi-platform nonsense, where everyone is trying to make a buck by promulgating the most insignificant tidbits of sports information in order to satisfy a demand for regular and "juicy" content.

Sure, complain about perceived double-standards or favouritism, complain about what you see as a lack of consistency, but have a real think about how seriously you take this off-field nonsense in regards to your enjoyment of watching sport.

Some folks are preferring NFL pre-season to NRL end-season? Well dandy, go watch your American 3 hour stop-start crap and be happy about it. But don't compare the two codes - NFL is nothing like league and the money being thrown around is obscene; in comparison the NRL is run on the smell of an oily rag. By way of comparison, Todd Greenburg is on a couple of hundred thousand per year (I can't find a specific figure, only ranges), whereas NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is on at least USD 31.7M as of 2015.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Started as an issue about Ivan Cleary and winds up being an anti-NRL rant.

Why does anyone really care if Cleary gets fined or not? Nobody was there and nobody knows the true details of what happened. The refs didn't even hear him and didn't report it, so what does it matter? Doesn't help Wests one iota if Cleary gets a $40K fine or no fine.

Yeah Paul Kent blew up deluxe, but beware wolf in sheep's clothing! Paul Kent is not "on your side" and is not your mate - the bloke is a professional agitator and complainer who needs to generate content on a daily basis for his newspaper and his TV show, but doesn't have the buffoonery to fall back on to fill his 27 minutes.

In the old days it was coaching and matches, not this multi-media multi-platform nonsense, where everyone is trying to make a buck by promulgating the most insignificant tidbits of sports information in order to satisfy a demand for regular and "juicy" content.

Sure, complain about perceived double-standards or favouritism, complain about what you see as a lack of consistency, but have a real think about how seriously you take this off-field nonsense in regards to your enjoyment of watching sport.

Some folks are preferring NFL pre-season to NRL end-season? Well dandy, go watch your American 3 hour stop-start crap and be happy about it. But don't compare the two codes - NFL is nothing like league and the money being thrown around is obscene; in comparison the NRL is run on the smell of an oily rag. By way of comparison, Todd Greenburg is on a couple of hundred thousand per year (I can't find a specific figure, only ranges), whereas NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is on at least USD 31.7M as of 2015.

The issue in itself isn't much. But the games administration is administering a death by a thousand cuts.

 

[CTigersWinComp]

@The_Patriot Ivan YOU, You , HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED, Give him Packer Matalino Taylor, reynolds whom he originally purchased for punishment and free up the tigers salary cap , Theres got to be an investigation toovey style comon NRL Free up the Tigers salary cap and send them players to Ivan

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I liked Cleary before and I thought he was of good character but now it is all coming out in the open and it doesn't look good. I still don't know him and would just judge him with his actions of late. Looking back now, all the players that he signed up are now beginning to be has beens, it is clear now that he has no idea and never thought of the future of the club. We are in a mess because of him.

He was gifted something Taylor and Potter could of only dream of, an open cheque book. He walked straight into a situation it usually takes coaches one or two years to get to if they are lucky. And what he did was create an even bigger mess than we were already in. Doubt he'll get a Xmas card from Madge.

 

[jirskyr]

The issue in itself isn’t much. But the games administration is administering a death by a thousand cuts.

I don't really believe that is true. Of course I cannot tell you what to believe.

NRL is actually in peak health, in terms of it's own history. Viewership is high, sponsorship high, membership all-time high, crowds high, media revenue all-time high. This might not be maintained and the league might not continue to grow, but currently it is as big as it's ever been, with only ever increasing competition from other sports like soccer and AFL.

Reffing has always been inconsistent, it's inherent to all contact sport, esp the more technical games. Rugby reffing is horrendous and soccer reffing is constant scandal. NFL reffing is super technical but they don't need to worry about "stops in play" because that's a natural component of the game.

The history of rugby league administration, for anyone who isn't an enthusiast or hasn't thought about it much, is absolutely riddled with cronyism and agendas. I would argue that 2019 is actually the most transparent and least agenda-driven that rugby league in Australia has ever been. And it has a lot to deal with, with the huge drive in social media, competition from other codes etc.

Rugby league in Australia has three fundamental challenges:

1) It's a heavy contact sport and it's hard to get juniors to sign up in massive numbers - you can't really change that, it's a game about getting hurt and dealing with it, and many kids and parents aren't cool with that.

2) Rugby League was literally created to serve the self-interest of the clubs and players. Rugby League didn't turn pro and split from Union because of some difference in ideology or a desire to change the rulebook - it was done for profit. There's a long path to walk to try and eliminate the self-interest from the code. Also, fundamentally, that self-interest is almost certainly impossible to eliminate, because sport is mutually exclusive competition - i.e. if you win, someone else definitely loses.

3) It's only played competitively in 3 Australian states, Auckland and Northern England. That is a very small global pool to select from for anything - players, gate takings, clubs, sponsorship, money, viewership etc.

It's a difficult sport to manage. They don't have the funds to compete with larger sports. But just take a look at the world's biggest sport and can anyone honestly say that FIFA do a tremendous job, with no controversy, no inconsistency, no hooliganism, no haves and have-nots, no imbalance, no bias, no corruption?

Everyone cares so everyone complains, which I understand, but also perspective helps. Maybe Ponga gets favoured calls and maybe Roosters have under-table deals. Consider that the juice in the orange, the controversy you secretly desire to make the experience more interesting. Consider the up-sides of having controversy, passion, rivalries, villains!

 

[Geo]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

 

[4jtigers]

I liked Cleary before and I thought he was of good character but now it is all coming out in the open and it doesn't look good. I still don't know him and would just judge him with his actions of late. Looking back now, all the players that he signed up are now beginning to be has beens, it is clear now that he has no idea and never thought of the future of the club. We are in a mess because of him.

He was gifted something Taylor and Potter could of only dream of, an open cheque book. He walked straight into a situation it usually takes coaches one or two years to get to if they are lucky. And what he did was create an even bigger mess than we were already in. Doubt he'll get a Xmas card from Madge.

yeah it is sad and here we thought he would be good for us but we were wrong... it just brought tears to my eyes typing this.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

 

[happy_tiger]

Biggest problem is the game itself creates many of its problems and then sweeps it under the rug when it gets to the too hard basket or might put them at odds with the game /club powerbrokers

If it is going to upset someone who isn't afraid to stand up to the NRL they poo themselves

 

[Geo]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The issue in itself isn’t much. But the games administration is administering a death by a thousand cuts.

I don't really believe that is true. Of course I cannot tell you what to believe.

NRL is actually in peak health, in terms of it's own history. Viewership is high, sponsorship high, membership all-time high, crowds high, media revenue all-time high. This might not be maintained and the league might not continue to grow, but currently it is as big as it's ever been, with only ever increasing competition from other sports like soccer and AFL.

Reffing has always been inconsistent, it's inherent to all contact sport, esp the more technical games. Rugby reffing is horrendous and soccer reffing is constant scandal. NFL reffing is super technical but they don't need to worry about "stops in play" because that's a natural component of the game.

The history of rugby league administration, for anyone who isn't an enthusiast or hasn't thought about it much, is absolutely riddled with cronyism and agendas. I would argue that 2019 is actually the most transparent and least agenda-driven that rugby league in Australia has ever been. And it has a lot to deal with, with the huge drive in social media, competition from other codes etc.

Rugby league in Australia has three fundamental challenges:

1) It's a heavy contact sport and it's hard to get juniors to sign up in massive numbers - you can't really change that, it's a game about getting hurt and dealing with it, and many kids and parents aren't cool with that.

2) Rugby League was literally created to serve the self-interest of the clubs and players. Rugby League didn't turn pro and split from Union because of some difference in ideology or a desire to change the rulebook - it was done for profit. There's a long path to walk to try and eliminate the self-interest from the code. Also, fundamentally, that self-interest is almost certainly impossible to eliminate, because sport is mutually exclusive competition - i.e. if you win, someone else definitely loses.

3) It's only played competitively in 3 Australian states, Auckland and Northern England. That is a very small global pool to select from for anything - players, gate takings, clubs, sponsorship, money, viewership etc.

It's a difficult sport to manage. They don't have the funds to compete with larger sports. But just take a look at the world's biggest sport and can anyone honestly say that FIFA do a tremendous job, with no controversy, no inconsistency, no hooliganism, no haves and have-nots, no imbalance, no bias, no corruption?

Everyone cares so everyone complains, which I understand, but also perspective helps. Maybe Ponga gets favoured calls and maybe Roosters have under-table deals. Consider that the juice in the orange, the controversy you secretly desire to make the experience more interesting. Consider the up-sides of having controversy, passion, rivalries, villains!

Those are all fine points, but many fans are not happy with the way the game is administered. You only need frequent any social media platform, from this site through to Facebook and Twitter to see there are a lot of people who are unhappy with the game is administered.

I used to watch as many games a weekend as I could. I might flick a game on here or there to check a score but outside our games I don't really make the effort to watch any other game now, I haven't made a conscious effort to watch origin in about three to four years.

I am totally disenfranchised with the way the game is run and the inconsistencies in the way players and clubs are punished for transgressions. Of course my opinion is just one case and it is anecdotal, but I am sure there are many others who feel the same way, some on this site, many whom aren't. Cleary escaping penalty for accosting a referee while Toovey, Sticky et al have been fined in the past is yet another example of the NRL meting out different penalties for the same offences.

Some cop the wet lettuce, others get the sledgehammer.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

Well where did the accusation come from? It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere?

 

[Newtown]

@shane2801 I originally thought that he was such a very gentleman.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The issue in itself isn’t much. But the games administration is administering a death by a thousand cuts.

I don't really believe that is true. Of course I cannot tell you what to believe.

NRL is actually in peak health, in terms of it's own history. Viewership is high, sponsorship high, membership all-time high, crowds high, media revenue all-time high. This might not be maintained and the league might not continue to grow, but currently it is as big as it's ever been, with only ever increasing competition from other sports like soccer and AFL.

Reffing has always been inconsistent, it's inherent to all contact sport, esp the more technical games. Rugby reffing is horrendous and soccer reffing is constant scandal. NFL reffing is super technical but they don't need to worry about "stops in play" because that's a natural component of the game.

The history of rugby league administration, for anyone who isn't an enthusiast or hasn't thought about it much, is absolutely riddled with cronyism and agendas. I would argue that 2019 is actually the most transparent and least agenda-driven that rugby league in Australia has ever been. And it has a lot to deal with, with the huge drive in social media, competition from other codes etc.

Rugby league in Australia has three fundamental challenges:

1) It's a heavy contact sport and it's hard to get juniors to sign up in massive numbers - you can't really change that, it's a game about getting hurt and dealing with it, and many kids and parents aren't cool with that.

2) Rugby League was literally created to serve the self-interest of the clubs and players. Rugby League didn't turn pro and split from Union because of some difference in ideology or a desire to change the rulebook - it was done for profit. There's a long path to walk to try and eliminate the self-interest from the code. Also, fundamentally, that self-interest is almost certainly impossible to eliminate, because sport is mutually exclusive competition - i.e. if you win, someone else definitely loses.

3) It's only played competitively in 3 Australian states, Auckland and Northern England. That is a very small global pool to select from for anything - players, gate takings, clubs, sponsorship, money, viewership etc.

It's a difficult sport to manage. They don't have the funds to compete with larger sports. But just take a look at the world's biggest sport and can anyone honestly say that FIFA do a tremendous job, with no controversy, no inconsistency, no hooliganism, no haves and have-nots, no imbalance, no bias, no corruption?

Everyone cares so everyone complains, which I understand, but also perspective helps. Maybe Ponga gets favoured calls and maybe Roosters have under-table deals. Consider that the juice in the orange, the controversy you secretly desire to make the experience more interesting. Consider the up-sides of having controversy, passion, rivalries, villains!

Those are all fine points, but many fans are not happy with the way the game is administered. You only need frequent any social media platform, from this site through to Facebook and Twitter to see there are a lot of people who are unhappy with the game is administered.

I used to watch as many games a weekend as I could. I might flick a game on here or there to check a score but outside our games I don't really make the effort to watch any other game now, I haven't made a conscious effort to watch origin in about three to four years.

I am totally disenfranchised with the way the game is run and the inconsistencies in the way players and clubs are punished for transgressions. Of course my opinion is just one case and it is anecdotal, but I am sure there are many others who feel the same way, some on this site, many whom aren't. Cleary escaping penalty for accosting a referee while Toovey, Sticky et al have been fined in the past is yet another example of the NRL meting out different penalties for the same offences.

Some cop the wet lettuce, others get the sledgehammer.

People on FB and Twitter are generally unhappy about everything.