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NRL 2020: Bulldogs target Isaah Yeo, Stephen Crichton after Kyle Flanagan signing
It’s no secret Matt Burton is a key target but new Bulldogs coach Trent Barrett has two even bigger Penrith scalps in his sights. Canterbury’s growing hit list here.
Matt Burton is already a key target, and now Canterbury has drawn up a Panthers priority list which includes NSW State of Origin stars Stephen Crichton and Isaah Yeo.
It comes after the Bulldogs signed Penrith assistant Trent Barrett as head coach and aggressive Panthers forward Jack Hetherington.
While Burton is Canterbury’s main choice, the Bulldogs are closely monitoring Crichton and Yeo, who come off contract after next season.
The developments come as Canterbury confirmed the signing of Sydney Roosters halfback Kyle Flanagan to a three-year deal. A Burton-Flanagan halves combination could -potentially lift Canterbury into a top eight contender.
All NRL players coming off contract after next season can be officially approached from this Sunday.
Should they sign Burton, Canterbury hope he may arrive for next season although there is no indication Penrith would offer an early release.
The Daily Telegraph has also learnt Melbourne, North Queensland and Wests Tigers have an interest in Burton. Barrett was at Canterbury’s Belmore headquarters on Monday but after a long year at Penrith has taken a week’s holiday. He has a strong relationship with all Panthers players. Penrith has the most talent of any NRL club coming off contract after next year, including Burton, Crichton, Yeo, Jarome Luai, Kurt Capewell, Mitch Kenny, Spencer Leniu, Brent Naden, Josh Mansour and Zane Tetevano.
Yeo and Crichton could command salaries of between $500,000 and $600,000 a season. The Panthers are desperately hoping to retain all their grand finals stars.
Crichton’s brother, Bulldogs winger, Christian, comes off contract at Belmore after next season. While wanting to be strategic, Canterbury will have some cash to splash for 2022. Other NRL star players coming off after next season include Kotoni Staggs, Dale Finucane, Jahrome Hughes, Mitchell Pearce, Nathan Brown, Blake Ferguson, Maika Sivo, Jarome Luai, Dane Gagai, Adam Reynolds, Junior Tatola, Cameron McInnes, Corey Norman, Angus Crichton, James Tedesco, Daniel Tupou and David Nofoaluma,
They can receive offers from midnight on Sunday. Tedesco is shortly expected to announce a new five-year, $6m deal at Bondi.
Canterbury remains hopeful but not overly confident of signing Melbourne and NSW star Josh Addo-Carr. The club is insisting they have not yet made him an offer.
Addo-Carr is attracted to South Sydney but would be unable to play his preferred fullback spot at Redfern because of good mate, Latrell Mitchell. Wests Tigers also remain a chance of signing Addo-Carr.
Barrett is a huge fan of Addo-Carr. All negotiations have been delayed given Addo-Carr will be in NSW camp for the next four weeks.
Canterbury confirmed 22-year-old Flanagan’s signing on Tuesday ¬morning.
“Kyle is a quality all-round footballer, who will bring game management and a strong kicking component to our halves, as well as having the potential to grow as a player under Trent Barrett and his coaching staff,” said Bulldogs CEO, Andrew Hill.
“We are putting together a squad that has the right qualities and everyone is excited about getting back together for the pre-season in what we believe is a new beginning for the club. We can’t wait for Kyle to be a part of that.”

What happened to Barrett not raiding the Panthers talent? That was short lived. He will be on the Panthers most hated list.

Agree... Also if the JAC wants to go to South is correct We must put a deadline on this as we cannot wait another 4 weeks to be burnt again... We are not a doormat and if he wants our money and fullback spot he needs to grow up and make the call..


Why?

Why not... Read my last few posts as that explain it.

Give him the deadline but advise we would entertain it again when his ready but if we sign other player/s in the meantime it could reduce our offer and/or we may not even have a spot left.
It's like buying a house... You find one and you like it and happy with the price but say to the owner, Can you give me 4 more weeks to look around to see if I can get a better house and deal elsewhere and if not I will come back... No chance that happens in the real world.


You realise that the club is the one selling the house? We are selling ourselves. Back to your house selling analogy, the Tigers are selling the house and telling a potential purchaser to "hurry up",,,,......how would that go down? There are other houses to buy.

I am talking from both sides of this.. JAC has found the "So Called House" and wants us to hold while he is continuing his shopping around to get a better deal.... Now the WT say to JAC and agent we have this deal for you and will hold for a week or a date doesn't matter, but after that date we cannot guarantee the same deal or even if its available .. Now it puts the ball in his court to make the decision in a reasonable time frame otherwise could miss out. He has had plenty of time to work out where he wants to go and if his asking for more time that to me says he doesn't want to come here because we are not low balling him.


The very big problem with your house buying analogy is that no matter which side you take (vendor or purchaser) it makes the assumption that it is a market. This is not the case in the case of JAC.

There is not a market of JAC's, there is one. So to take your analogy further you can take either side.

We are buying the house and JAC is the house. There is only ONE house and many people wanting to buy the house but ONE of the potential purchasers says "Here is my offer take it or leave it and you have 3 days to make up your mind!". ow would that turn out?

Or, we are the house, there are many houses for sale but only 1 person looking to buy. Again telling them that this is the price and they should hurry up might not be the best strategy.

Look basically all I am saying is I don't want us all to be talking about JAC in 5 weeks time about if he is coming or not. I'm sorry he has had plenty of time to work out where he wants to play and by saying we have a deal ready for you up until this date but if not accepted we will be looking at other options. That doesn't mean we close the door shut and tell them not to contact us again. It just says hey we as a Professional Organisation and need to move forward and would be willing to talk again when you are ready but cannot guarantee the same deal will be available.


I understand your point of view, I just think it is counter productive. Also it is not as if he hasnt had legitimate distractions with the final series, hangovers and now SOO camp.

We all want the same thing and a decision ASAP but really cannot change anything anyway so will move on :grinning: :+1: ..
 
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My opinion on on JAC. I would love to have him but we can't blow the bank on him.
Wingers are the cream on top for good sides. It is still all about the spine. Look at the top 4 sides.
JAC is not going to turn around a club in my opinion, not will any winger. He will make a difference, absolutely, but I would not count on his signing catapulting us to the top 4. Therefore ,we should make a reasonable offer, and be prepared to walk away if his demands are too high.
Imagine $800k, plus losing tatau? Also need to factor in missing games for origin etc and I really can't believe some people's "sign at all costs" thinking.

Until Madge settles on his spine, we will be stuck in the same position.

This also applies to the dogs, can't believe they would pay more than already reported.

I just don’t get the difference between jac and Latrell why offer Latrell 1 mill and not JAC


Similar players who haven’t played 1 in nrl before

Agreed. It was reckless to offer latrell that. I think we dodged a bullet (pun intended) there.
Maybe they saw more value because of goal kicking?

What bullet did we dodge? Once LM got fit he was killing it at the Rabbitohs. I’d even say they win the grand final if he stays on the field. If we had gotten LM then it would have been a no brainer for JAC.

We just need one big name signing . One player to show confidence to come here and like sheep other players will follow.

I was pointing out we the contract we offered was reckless. No doubt every club would love LM in their side but not on the money we were allegedly offering.

LM on 600k at South's is a good signing
LM at tigers on $1.1 MIL for 4 years is not

I thought he was excelled the last month before he got injured. Prior to that he was bad. He was getting subbed mid game and replaced by Johnston.

We would not be signing JAC now either, as we would not have the salary cap to afford him.

I think most people would have been happy to pay LM $1.1m. Not saying he is worth that much, but we just need a big name signing to build the confidence around the club, to the media and other players considering coming here. We need to pay overs for players until we become a successful club.

Paying overs got us into this situation in the first place.

Let's regress back and do another Iv. No thanks.

Think the club now has more sense.

Paying overs for superstars is what we should do. Paying overs for players like Reynolds, mbye, packer..etc is definitely not something we should ever do againz
 
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My opinion on on JAC. I would love to have him but we can't blow the bank on him.
Wingers are the cream on top for good sides. It is still all about the spine. Look at the top 4 sides.
JAC is not going to turn around a club in my opinion, not will any winger. He will make a difference, absolutely, but I would not count on his signing catapulting us to the top 4. Therefore ,we should make a reasonable offer, and be prepared to walk away if his demands are too high.
Imagine $800k, plus losing tatau? Also need to factor in missing games for origin etc and I really can't believe some people's "sign at all costs" thinking.

Until Madge settles on his spine, we will be stuck in the same position.

This also applies to the dogs, can't believe they would pay more than already reported.

I just don’t get the difference between jac and Latrell why offer Latrell 1 mill and not JAC


Similar players who haven’t played 1 in nrl before

Agreed. It was reckless to offer latrell that. I think we dodged a bullet (pun intended) there.
Maybe they saw more value because of goal kicking?

What bullet did we dodge? Once LM got fit he was killing it at the Rabbitohs. I’d even say they win the grand final if he stays on the field. If we had gotten LM then it would have been a no brainer for JAC.

We just need one big name signing . One player to show confidence to come here and like sheep other players will follow.

Disagree on LM he was not "killing it" and souffs pack were never going to win them a premiership

"I said at the start of the year he was a centre – I was so wrong," Johns admitted.
"He was coming into great form at fullback.
"He looked fit, physically and mentally… well done Latrell, he proved me wrong."

You swap Corey Alan for Latrell Mitchell in the major semi and Rabbitohs win that game.

Latrine wouldn't have scored the Allen try.

If we were watching the same game, Allen was having such a bad game that he got moved to the wing for Alex Johnson.
 
@TigerWest said in [JAC](/post/1254060) said:
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My opinion on on JAC. I would love to have him but we can't blow the bank on him.
Wingers are the cream on top for good sides. It is still all about the spine. Look at the top 4 sides.
JAC is not going to turn around a club in my opinion, not will any winger. He will make a difference, absolutely, but I would not count on his signing catapulting us to the top 4. Therefore ,we should make a reasonable offer, and be prepared to walk away if his demands are too high.
Imagine $800k, plus losing tatau? Also need to factor in missing games for origin etc and I really can't believe some people's "sign at all costs" thinking.

Until Madge settles on his spine, we will be stuck in the same position.

This also applies to the dogs, can't believe they would pay more than already reported.

I just don’t get the difference between jac and Latrell why offer Latrell 1 mill and not JAC


Similar players who haven’t played 1 in nrl before

Agreed. It was reckless to offer latrell that. I think we dodged a bullet (pun intended) there.
Maybe they saw more value because of goal kicking?

What bullet did we dodge? Once LM got fit he was killing it at the Rabbitohs. I’d even say they win the grand final if he stays on the field. If we had gotten LM then it would have been a no brainer for JAC.

We just need one big name signing . One player to show confidence to come here and like sheep other players will follow.

I was pointing out we the contract we offered was reckless. No doubt every club would love LM in their side but not on the money we were allegedly offering.

LM on 600k at South's is a good signing
LM at tigers on $1.1 MIL for 4 years is not

I thought he was excelled the last month before he got injured. Prior to that he was bad. He was getting subbed mid game and replaced by Johnston.

We would not be signing JAC now either, as we would not have the salary cap to afford him.

I think most people would have been happy to pay LM $1.1m. Not saying he is worth that much, but we just need a big name signing to build the confidence around the club, to the media and other players considering coming here. We need to pay overs for players until we become a successful club.

Exactly, we are not a “go to” club at the moment.

I can still remember when Easts were a bottom feeder club, who started raiding successful clubs of their talent, prob paying overs, now they have top line players lining up to go there, they toss out players we can only hope to get.

But I do believe it’s all a cycle, hard to stay on top forever, our turn will come.

Been 20 years and counting. Our turn will come but some of us will probably be long gone!
 
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My opinion on on JAC. I would love to have him but we can't blow the bank on him.
Wingers are the cream on top for good sides. It is still all about the spine. Look at the top 4 sides.
JAC is not going to turn around a club in my opinion, not will any winger. He will make a difference, absolutely, but I would not count on his signing catapulting us to the top 4. Therefore ,we should make a reasonable offer, and be prepared to walk away if his demands are too high.
Imagine $800k, plus losing tatau? Also need to factor in missing games for origin etc and I really can't believe some people's "sign at all costs" thinking.

Until Madge settles on his spine, we will be stuck in the same position.

This also applies to the dogs, can't believe they would pay more than already reported.

I just don’t get the difference between jac and Latrell why offer Latrell 1 mill and not JAC


Similar players who haven’t played 1 in nrl before

Agreed. It was reckless to offer latrell that. I think we dodged a bullet (pun intended) there.
Maybe they saw more value because of goal kicking?

What bullet did we dodge? Once LM got fit he was killing it at the Rabbitohs. I’d even say they win the grand final if he stays on the field. If we had gotten LM then it would have been a no brainer for JAC.

We just need one big name signing . One player to show confidence to come here and like sheep other players will follow.

Disagree on LM he was not "killing it" and souffs pack were never going to win them a premiership

"I said at the start of the year he was a centre – I was so wrong," Johns admitted.
"He was coming into great form at fullback.
"He looked fit, physically and mentally… well done Latrell, he proved me wrong."

You swap Corey Alan for Latrell Mitchell in the major semi and Rabbitohs win that game.

Latrine wouldn't have scored the Allen try.

If we were watching the same game, Allen was having such a bad game that he got moved to the wing for Alex Johnson.

Maybe but he still wouldn't have scored the same try.
 
I grow attached to any that don our jersey. If it was up to me none would leave. We'd probably still be ninth, with the stars we've lost vs the deadwood that would stay evening everything out. Happy to have JAC, but not at the expense of any player, unless it is as a loan only for 2021 and they return after.
 
Don’t think a deadline is needed,if he hasn’t signed already or he doesn’t sign come November 1 then Tigers should withdraw the offer and move on to other targets,need to learn from the Latrell fiasco and move on while other players are still available
 
@tigger19 said in [JAC](/post/1254194) said:
Don’t think a deadline is needed,if he hasn’t signed already or he doesn’t sign come November 1 then Tigers should withdraw the offer and move on to other targets,need to learn from the Latrell fiasco and move on while other players are still available

None of us are in a position to tell the club to give him a deadline. We don’t know what the relationship between he and the club is. And why bother giving anyone a deadline. Have you ever heard of a player signing with a club that gave them a deadline?
 
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My opinion on on JAC. I would love to have him but we can't blow the bank on him.
Wingers are the cream on top for good sides. It is still all about the spine. Look at the top 4 sides.
JAC is not going to turn around a club in my opinion, not will any winger. He will make a difference, absolutely, but I would not count on his signing catapulting us to the top 4. Therefore ,we should make a reasonable offer, and be prepared to walk away if his demands are too high.
Imagine $800k, plus losing tatau? Also need to factor in missing games for origin etc and I really can't believe some people's "sign at all costs" thinking.

Until Madge settles on his spine, we will be stuck in the same position.

This also applies to the dogs, can't believe they would pay more than already reported.

I just don’t get the difference between jac and Latrell why offer Latrell 1 mill and not JAC


Similar players who haven’t played 1 in nrl before

Agreed. It was reckless to offer latrell that. I think we dodged a bullet (pun intended) there.
Maybe they saw more value because of goal kicking?

What bullet did we dodge? Once LM got fit he was killing it at the Rabbitohs. I’d even say they win the grand final if he stays on the field. If we had gotten LM then it would have been a no brainer for JAC.

We just need one big name signing . One player to show confidence to come here and like sheep other players will follow.

I was pointing out we the contract we offered was reckless. No doubt every club would love LM in their side but not on the money we were allegedly offering.

LM on 600k at South's is a good signing
LM at tigers on $1.1 MIL for 4 years is not

I thought he was excelled the last month before he got injured. Prior to that he was bad. He was getting subbed mid game and replaced by Johnston.

We would not be signing JAC now either, as we would not have the salary cap to afford him.

I think most people would have been happy to pay LM $1.1m. Not saying he is worth that much, but we just need a big name signing to build the confidence around the club, to the media and other players considering coming here. We need to pay overs for players until we become a successful club.

Exactly, we are not a “go to” club at the moment.

I can still remember when Easts were a bottom feeder club, who started raiding successful clubs of their talent, prob paying overs, now they have top line players lining up to go there, they toss out players we can only hope to get.

But I do believe it’s all a cycle, hard to stay on top forever, our turn will come.

Been 20 years and counting. Our turn will come but some of us will probably be long gone!

By my maths, it's 15 years. But there are a few clubs who haven't won anything like that, e.g. Eels
 
@2005magic said in [JAC](/post/1254081) said:
If WT don't get JAC as he has taken better offer after ours being on the table so long by itself, let's not give up but maybe get a bit tougher with the marque player opportunities such as they come up. Seems giving them time only works against us. Take it or leave it with a set withdraw of offer date. In the interim continue looking for good players stuck behind better players at their existing club.

I don't get why people keep saying this, how would giving him a deadline have worked when he needed to be released by the Storm to sign anything?
 
@Tiger5150 said in [JAC](/post/1254085) said:
@2005magic said in [JAC](/post/1254081) said:
If WT don't get JAC as he has taken better offer after ours being on the table so long by itself, let's not give up but maybe get a bit tougher with the marque player opportunities such as they come up. Seems giving them time only works against us. Take it or leave it with a set withdraw of offer date. In the interim continue looking for good players stuck behind better players at their existing club.


Not sure I follow the logic of this argument.

We are having trouble attracting elite talent because of what ever reason, so telling them "This is our offer, take it or leave it and here is your deadline" will make us more attractive?

Agreed mate, it just makes no sense.
 
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1254103) said:
@2005magic said in [JAC](/post/1254081) said:
Seems giving them time only works against us. Take it or leave it with a set withdraw of offer date. In the interim continue looking for good players stuck behind better players at their existing club.

I don't understand this POV in relation to JAC.

Hi is not legally able to sign anything until 1 November, and even then he is only able to sign for 2022.

Apparently we and his management have agreed to terms.

So what is the point of threatening to withdraw the offer before he is legally able to sign it?

Even though he he is looking elsewhere, you are right.
 
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NRL 2020: Bulldogs target Isaah Yeo, Stephen Crichton after Kyle Flanagan signing
It’s no secret Matt Burton is a key target but new Bulldogs coach Trent Barrett has two even bigger Penrith scalps in his sights. Canterbury’s growing hit list here.
Matt Burton is already a key target, and now Canterbury has drawn up a Panthers priority list which includes NSW State of Origin stars Stephen Crichton and Isaah Yeo.
It comes after the Bulldogs signed Penrith assistant Trent Barrett as head coach and aggressive Panthers forward Jack Hetherington.
While Burton is Canterbury’s main choice, the Bulldogs are closely monitoring Crichton and Yeo, who come off contract after next season.
The developments come as Canterbury confirmed the signing of Sydney Roosters halfback Kyle Flanagan to a three-year deal. A Burton-Flanagan halves combination could -potentially lift Canterbury into a top eight contender.
All NRL players coming off contract after next season can be officially approached from this Sunday.
Should they sign Burton, Canterbury hope he may arrive for next season although there is no indication Penrith would offer an early release.
The Daily Telegraph has also learnt Melbourne, North Queensland and Wests Tigers have an interest in Burton. Barrett was at Canterbury’s Belmore headquarters on Monday but after a long year at Penrith has taken a week’s holiday. He has a strong relationship with all Panthers players. Penrith has the most talent of any NRL club coming off contract after next year, including Burton, Crichton, Yeo, Jarome Luai, Kurt Capewell, Mitch Kenny, Spencer Leniu, Brent Naden, Josh Mansour and Zane Tetevano.
Yeo and Crichton could command salaries of between $500,000 and $600,000 a season. The Panthers are desperately hoping to retain all their grand finals stars.
Crichton’s brother, Bulldogs winger, Christian, comes off contract at Belmore after next season. While wanting to be strategic, Canterbury will have some cash to splash for 2022. Other NRL star players coming off after next season include Kotoni Staggs, Dale Finucane, Jahrome Hughes, Mitchell Pearce, Nathan Brown, Blake Ferguson, Maika Sivo, Jarome Luai, Dane Gagai, Adam Reynolds, Junior Tatola, Cameron McInnes, Corey Norman, Angus Crichton, James Tedesco, Daniel Tupou and David Nofoaluma,
They can receive offers from midnight on Sunday. Tedesco is shortly expected to announce a new five-year, $6m deal at Bondi.
Canterbury remains hopeful but not overly confident of signing Melbourne and NSW star Josh Addo-Carr. The club is insisting they have not yet made him an offer.
Addo-Carr is attracted to South Sydney but would be unable to play his preferred fullback spot at Redfern because of good mate, Latrell Mitchell. Wests Tigers also remain a chance of signing Addo-Carr.
Barrett is a huge fan of Addo-Carr. All negotiations have been delayed given Addo-Carr will be in NSW camp for the next four weeks.
Canterbury confirmed 22-year-old Flanagan’s signing on Tuesday ¬morning.
“Kyle is a quality all-round footballer, who will bring game management and a strong kicking component to our halves, as well as having the potential to grow as a player under Trent Barrett and his coaching staff,” said Bulldogs CEO, Andrew Hill.
“We are putting together a squad that has the right qualities and everyone is excited about getting back together for the pre-season in what we believe is a new beginning for the club. We can’t wait for Kyle to be a part of that.”

What happened to Barrett not raiding the Panthers talent? That was short lived. He will be on the Panthers most hated list.

Agree... Also if the JAC wants to go to South is correct We must put a deadline on this as we cannot wait another 4 weeks to be burnt again... We are not a doormat and if he wants our money and fullback spot he needs to grow up and make the call..


Why?

Why not... Read my last few posts as that explain it.

Give him the deadline but advise we would entertain it again when his ready but if we sign other player/s in the meantime it could reduce our offer and/or we may not even have a spot left.
It's like buying a house... You find one and you like it and happy with the price but say to the owner, Can you give me 4 more weeks to look around to see if I can get a better house and deal elsewhere and if not I will come back... No chance that happens in the real world.


You realise that the club is the one selling the house? We are selling ourselves. Back to your house selling analogy, the Tigers are selling the house and telling a potential purchaser to "hurry up",,,,......how would that go down? There are other houses to buy.

I am talking from both sides of this.. JAC has found the "So Called House" and wants us to hold while he is continuing his shopping around to get a better deal.... Now the WT say to JAC and agent we have this deal for you and will hold for a week or a date doesn't matter, but after that date we cannot guarantee the same deal or even if its available .. Now it puts the ball in his court to make the decision in a reasonable time frame otherwise could miss out. He has had plenty of time to work out where he wants to go and if his asking for more time that to me says he doesn't want to come here because we are not low balling him.

He needs to be released to agree to anything.
 
In 2016 Justin Pascoe said we tabled Foxx a very competitive offer. However, he will be leaving WT. Is that the same sort of thing we’re doing now? Anyway credit to Storm they took our raw speed, improved their skills and it was responsible for another Arthur Summons Trophy. We can only admire the professionalism and skill of the Storm and only dream of getting a game in playoffs in the next 10 years.
 
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NRL 2020: Bulldogs target Isaah Yeo, Stephen Crichton after Kyle Flanagan signing
It’s no secret Matt Burton is a key target but new Bulldogs coach Trent Barrett has two even bigger Penrith scalps in his sights. Canterbury’s growing hit list here.
Matt Burton is already a key target, and now Canterbury has drawn up a Panthers priority list which includes NSW State of Origin stars Stephen Crichton and Isaah Yeo.
It comes after the Bulldogs signed Penrith assistant Trent Barrett as head coach and aggressive Panthers forward Jack Hetherington.
While Burton is Canterbury’s main choice, the Bulldogs are closely monitoring Crichton and Yeo, who come off contract after next season.
The developments come as Canterbury confirmed the signing of Sydney Roosters halfback Kyle Flanagan to a three-year deal. A Burton-Flanagan halves combination could -potentially lift Canterbury into a top eight contender.
All NRL players coming off contract after next season can be officially approached from this Sunday.
Should they sign Burton, Canterbury hope he may arrive for next season although there is no indication Penrith would offer an early release.
The Daily Telegraph has also learnt Melbourne, North Queensland and Wests Tigers have an interest in Burton. Barrett was at Canterbury’s Belmore headquarters on Monday but after a long year at Penrith has taken a week’s holiday. He has a strong relationship with all Panthers players. Penrith has the most talent of any NRL club coming off contract after next year, including Burton, Crichton, Yeo, Jarome Luai, Kurt Capewell, Mitch Kenny, Spencer Leniu, Brent Naden, Josh Mansour and Zane Tetevano.
Yeo and Crichton could command salaries of between $500,000 and $600,000 a season. The Panthers are desperately hoping to retain all their grand finals stars.
Crichton’s brother, Bulldogs winger, Christian, comes off contract at Belmore after next season. While wanting to be strategic, Canterbury will have some cash to splash for 2022. Other NRL star players coming off after next season include Kotoni Staggs, Dale Finucane, Jahrome Hughes, Mitchell Pearce, Nathan Brown, Blake Ferguson, Maika Sivo, Jarome Luai, Dane Gagai, Adam Reynolds, Junior Tatola, Cameron McInnes, Corey Norman, Angus Crichton, James Tedesco, Daniel Tupou and David Nofoaluma,
They can receive offers from midnight on Sunday. Tedesco is shortly expected to announce a new five-year, $6m deal at Bondi.
Canterbury remains hopeful but not overly confident of signing Melbourne and NSW star Josh Addo-Carr. The club is insisting they have not yet made him an offer.
Addo-Carr is attracted to South Sydney but would be unable to play his preferred fullback spot at Redfern because of good mate, Latrell Mitchell. Wests Tigers also remain a chance of signing Addo-Carr.
Barrett is a huge fan of Addo-Carr. All negotiations have been delayed given Addo-Carr will be in NSW camp for the next four weeks.
Canterbury confirmed 22-year-old Flanagan’s signing on Tuesday ¬morning.
“Kyle is a quality all-round footballer, who will bring game management and a strong kicking component to our halves, as well as having the potential to grow as a player under Trent Barrett and his coaching staff,” said Bulldogs CEO, Andrew Hill.
“We are putting together a squad that has the right qualities and everyone is excited about getting back together for the pre-season in what we believe is a new beginning for the club. We can’t wait for Kyle to be a part of that.”

What happened to Barrett not raiding the Panthers talent? That was short lived. He will be on the Panthers most hated list.

Agree... Also if the JAC wants to go to South is correct We must put a deadline on this as we cannot wait another 4 weeks to be burnt again... We are not a doormat and if he wants our money and fullback spot he needs to grow up and make the call..


Why?

Why not... Read my last few posts as that explain it.

Give him the deadline but advise we would entertain it again when his ready but if we sign other player/s in the meantime it could reduce our offer and/or we may not even have a spot left.
It's like buying a house... You find one and you like it and happy with the price but say to the owner, Can you give me 4 more weeks to look around to see if I can get a better house and deal elsewhere and if not I will come back... No chance that happens in the real world.


You realise that the club is the one selling the house? We are selling ourselves. Back to your house selling analogy, the Tigers are selling the house and telling a potential purchaser to "hurry up",,,,......how would that go down? There are other houses to buy.

I am talking from both sides of this.. JAC has found the "So Called House" and wants us to hold while he is continuing his shopping around to get a better deal.... Now the WT say to JAC and agent we have this deal for you and will hold for a week or a date doesn't matter, but after that date we cannot guarantee the same deal or even if its available .. Now it puts the ball in his court to make the decision in a reasonable time frame otherwise could miss out. He has had plenty of time to work out where he wants to go and if his asking for more time that to me says he doesn't want to come here because we are not low balling him.


The very big problem with your house buying analogy is that no matter which side you take (vendor or purchaser) it makes the assumption that it is a market. This is not the case in the case of JAC.

There is not a market of JAC's, there is one. So to take your analogy further you can take either side.

We are buying the house and JAC is the house. There is only ONE house and many people wanting to buy the house but ONE of the potential purchasers says "Here is my offer take it or leave it and you have 3 days to make up your mind!". ow would that turn out?

Or, we are the house, there are many houses for sale but only 1 person looking to buy. Again telling them that this is the price and they should hurry up might not be the best strategy.

Well said mate.
 
If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [JAC](/post/1254211) said:
If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.
 
I feel dirty for saying it, but I quite liked Souths response when Suali's negotiations hit the press. They were not happy, and they said something to the effect of in the professional world they expect such negotiations to remain discrete. Their negotiations seemed to stop at that point.

Maybe it was because the negotiations stopped that Souths said what they said, but maybe it was Suali's management going to the press that stopped the negotiations.

Personally I think it'd be better for the WT if the second scenario was how it worked normally for us. But that would have to go the other way too. I think we as a club has also gone to the press at times to push an agenda against a player. I'd like us to stop doing that, as well as players not doing that against us.
 
@cochise said in [JAC](/post/1254212) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [JAC](/post/1254211) said:
If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.

Don’t think what’s enough?
 
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