JAC

[cochise]

If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.

Don’t think what’s enough?

Our leverage

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I feel dirty for saying it, but I quite liked Souths response when Suali's negotiations hit the press. They were not happy, and they said something to the effect of in the professional world they expect such negotiations to remain discrete. Their negotiations seemed to stop at that point.

Maybe it was because the negotiations stopped that Souths said what they said, but maybe it was Suali's management going to the press that stopped the negotiations.

Personally I think it'd be better for the WT if the second scenario was how it worked normally for us. But that would have to go the other way too. I think we as a club has also gone to the press at times to push an agenda against a player. I'd like us to stop doing that, as well as players not doing that against us.

One is a 17 year old whose never played first grade, and is quite clearly badly advised. The other is an Australian winger and the best in the game. There’s going to be differences in what you are willing to accept when negotiating with them. Not to say it’s bad what’s happening with JAC, he’s just won a premiership.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.

Don’t think what’s enough?

Our leverage

You don’t think 1.5 million that we can officially offer next week is good leverage?

 

[cochise]

If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.

Don’t think what’s enough?

Our leverage

You don’t think 1.5 million that we can officially offer next week is good leverage?

I hope we don't offer that much lol, but I also think he is looking elsewhere. I see our only hope being that another club not being able to get its ducks in a row in time.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.

Don’t think what’s enough?

Our leverage

You don’t think 1.5 million that we can officially offer next week is good leverage?

I hope we don't offer that much lol, but I also think he is looking elsewhere. I see our only hope being that another club not being able

to get its ducks in a row in time.

I’m not suggesting we offer that much, that’s ridiculous. But that’s around how much we will have combining Packer and Reynolds salaries. So we have the resources to offer him 700-750 without blinking.

 

[cochise]

If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.

Don’t think what’s enough?

Our leverage

You don’t think 1.5 million that we can officially offer next week is good leverage?

I hope we don't offer that much lol, but I also think he is looking elsewhere. I see our only hope being that another club not being able
to get its ducks in a row in time.

I’m not suggesting we offer that much, that’s ridiculous. But that’s around how much we will have combining Packer and Reynolds salaries. So we have the resources to offer him 700-750 without blinking.

I know mate, I was stirring a little. I know exactly what you meant. If he doesn't come I don't think it will be because he didn't like our terms.

 

[TigerWest]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

 

[cochise]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

People are talking about giving him a deadline that is before he can actually sign for us without a release, that is madness. Just because you have an offer in for someone doesn't mean you stop negotiating with others. If talks are progressing well with another player and you decide to go in a different direction that is when you withdraw JAC's offer.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

People are talking about giving him a deadline that is before he can actually sign for us without a release, that is madness. Just because you have an offer in for someone doesn't mean you stop negotiating with others. If talks are progressing well with another player and you decide to go in a different direction that is when you withdraw JAC's offer.

if he doesn’t sign on for 2022 come November 1 as he has supposedly agreed to terms previously then I’m pretty sure the club will know where they stand

 

[ATown]

My opinion on on JAC. I would love to have him but we can't blow the bank on him.
Wingers are the cream on top for good sides. It is still all about the spine. Look at the top 4 sides.
JAC is not going to turn around a club in my opinion, not will any winger. He will make a difference, absolutely, but I would not count on his signing catapulting us to the top 4. Therefore ,we should make a reasonable offer, and be prepared to walk away if his demands are too high.
Imagine $800k, plus losing tatau? Also need to factor in missing games for origin etc and I really can't believe some people's "sign at all costs" thinking.

Until Madge settles on his spine, we will be stuck in the same position.

This also applies to the dogs, can't believe they would pay more than already reported.

I just don’t get the difference between jac and Latrell why offer Latrell 1 mill and not JAC


Similar players who haven’t played 1 in nrl before

Agreed. It was reckless to offer latrell that. I think we dodged a bullet (pun intended) there.
Maybe they saw more value because of goal kicking?

What bullet did we dodge? Once LM got fit he was killing it at the Rabbitohs. I’d even say they win the grand final if he stays on the field. If we had gotten LM then it would have been a no brainer for JAC.

We just need one big name signing . One player to show confidence to come here and like sheep other players will follow.

I was pointing out we the contract we offered was reckless. No doubt every club would love LM in their side but not on the money we were allegedly offering.

LM on 600k at South's is a good signing
LM at tigers on $1.1 MIL for 4 years is not

I thought he was excelled the last month before he got injured. Prior to that he was bad. He was getting subbed mid game and replaced by Johnston.

We would not be signing JAC now either, as we would not have the salary cap to afford him.

I think most people would have been happy to pay LM $1.1m. Not saying he is worth that much, but we just need a big name signing to build the confidence around the club, to the media and other players considering coming here. We need to pay overs for players until we become a successful club.

Exactly, we are not a “go to” club at the moment.

I can still remember when Easts were a bottom feeder club, who started raiding successful clubs of their talent, prob paying overs, now they have top line players lining up to go there, they toss out players we can only hope to get.

But I do believe it’s all a cycle, hard to stay on top forever, our turn will come.

Been 20 years and counting. Our turn will come but some of us will probably be long gone!

By my maths, it's 15 years. But there are a few clubs who haven't won anything like that, e.g. Eels

You said it’s hard to stay on top. As beautiful as 05 was, we hardly stayed on top.

 

[happy_tiger]

If we want him bad enough, we can officially offer him a truckload for 2022 next week. With Packer and Reynolds time being up, we have room for at least one marquee signing. It’s all about being able to secure him for 2022 first and foremost. Then it’s about getting his release, which will follow once he’s been announced. It makes it different to the LM saga. We have more leverage this time round.

I don't think it is enough mate.

Don’t think what’s enough?

Our leverage

Playing ability wise we don't ....JAC isn't going to get the service from halves like Hughes or Munster or from Walker and Reynolds ......thats a big thing decision wise ...especially when rep time comes around ..you start losing 30 k a SOO game for 4 seasons ..thats 360 k in lost revenue .....

 

[cochise]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

People are talking about giving him a deadline that is before he can actually sign for us without a release, that is madness. Just because you have an offer in for someone doesn't mean you stop negotiating with others. If talks are progressing well with another player and you decide to go in a different direction that is when you withdraw JAC's offer.

if he doesn’t sign on for 2022 come November 1 as he has supposedly agreed to terms previously then I’m pretty sure the club will know where they stand

I think they have a pretty good idea already.

 

[OzLuke]


 

[hsvjones]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

People are talking about giving him a deadline that is before he can actually sign for us without a release, that is madness. Just because you have an offer in for someone doesn't mean you stop negotiating with others. If talks are progressing well with another player and you decide to go in a different direction that is when you withdraw JAC's offer.

if he doesn’t sign on for 2022 come November 1 as he has supposedly agreed to terms previously then I’m pretty sure the club will know where they stand

I think they have a pretty good idea already.

Agree... Do you think we increase our offer by 50-100k to make it happen? If you asked me that question 4 months ago I would of said NO way. However after the way he has beefed up and seems to be getting involved more for the storm I really do think he will become a great FB once he settles in. If he is successful at FB he will be getting the higher money anyway but because we are not the most attractive club maybe we need to add the extra money now or remove the clauses regarding games played there as advised.

 

[cochise]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

People are talking about giving him a deadline that is before he can actually sign for us without a release, that is madness. Just because you have an offer in for someone doesn't mean you stop negotiating with others. If talks are progressing well with another player and you decide to go in a different direction that is when you withdraw JAC's offer.

if he doesn’t sign on for 2022 come November 1 as he has supposedly agreed to terms previously then I’m pretty sure the club will know where they stand

I think they have a pretty good idea already.

Agree... Do you think we increase our offer by 50-100k to make it happen? If you asked me that question 4 months ago I would of said NO way. However after the way he has beefed up and seems to be getting involved more for the storm I really do think he will become a great FB once he settles in. If he is successful at FB he will be getting the higher money anyway but because we are not the most attractive club maybe we need to add the extra money now or remove the clauses regarding games played there as advised.

I'd offer him a bit more but we also have to be careful that we don't end up in a situation where he comes but has one eye looking elsewhere waiting for an opportunity to arise where a position comes available elsewhere. What would be worse than missing him would be to get him and then have him leave when a position at the club he wants to be at becomes available.

 

[Tiger5150]

I feel dirty for saying it, but I quite liked Souths response when Suali's negotiations hit the press. They were not happy, and they said something to the effect of in the professional world they expect such negotiations to remain discrete. Their negotiations seemed to stop at that point.

Maybe it was because the negotiations stopped that Souths said what they said, but maybe it was Suali's management going to the press that stopped the negotiations.

Personally I think it'd be better for the WT if the second scenario was how it worked normally for us. But that would have to go the other way too. I think we as a club has also gone to the press at times to push an agenda against a player. I'd like us to stop doing that, as well as players not doing that against us.

I have seen zero in the press from club or player with respect to negotiations with JAC. Can you point me to the press that you are concerned about?

 

[hsvjones]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

People are talking about giving him a deadline that is before he can actually sign for us without a release, that is madness. Just because you have an offer in for someone doesn't mean you stop negotiating with others. If talks are progressing well with another player and you decide to go in a different direction that is when you withdraw JAC's offer.

if he doesn’t sign on for 2022 come November 1 as he has supposedly agreed to terms previously then I’m pretty sure the club will know where they stand

I think they have a pretty good idea already.

Agree... Do you think we increase our offer by 50-100k to make it happen? If you asked me that question 4 months ago I would of said NO way. However after the way he has beefed up and seems to be getting involved more for the storm I really do think he will become a great FB once he settles in. If he is successful at FB he will be getting the higher money anyway but because we are not the most attractive club maybe we need to add the extra money now or remove the clauses regarding games played there as advised.

I'd offer him a bit more but we also have to be careful that we don't end up in a situation where he comes but has one eye looking elsewhere waiting for an opportunity to arise where a position comes available elsewhere. What would be worse than missing him would be to get him and then have him leave when a position at the club he wants to be at becomes available.

I believe we have offered a 3 or 4 year deal so should give us plenty of time wrap him up in our web :grinning: :grinning:

 

[Geo]

I feel dirty for saying it, but I quite liked Souths response when Suali's negotiations hit the press. They were not happy, and they said something to the effect of in the professional world they expect such negotiations to remain discrete. Their negotiations seemed to stop at that point.

Maybe it was because the negotiations stopped that Souths said what they said, but maybe it was Suali's management going to the press that stopped the negotiations.

Personally I think it'd be better for the WT if the second scenario was how it worked normally for us. But that would have to go the other way too. I think we as a club has also gone to the press at times to push an agenda against a player. I'd like us to stop doing that, as well as players not doing that against us.


I have seen zero in the press from club or player with respect to negotiations with JAC. Can you point me to the press that you are concerned about?

It was the same with Mitchell..made an offer he said no..left the door open but moved on signed Doueihi, Joey and that was the end of that...not the case if you read the media..

It's the same with Addo-Carr has an offer ..they are not sitting around waiting..

 

[cochise]

Sorry for flooding the thread with replies, just don't get this deadline nonsense.

Well, as I understand it, we legally can’t move anywhere else until he accepts or declines it, or we cancel it. He could keep us on tender hooks for weeks thinking he’s coming, while miss other opportunities.

I think a deadline is appropriate and generally inserted in all contracts.

He must know, if he wants in or not, by now.
Maybe he has to wait to Nov 1, then he should advise us on that date what he’s doing or we walk.

E.G. What would happen if we resigned Teddy (big dollars) then the next day JAC says OK I will accept your offer and we had did nothing about it?

People are talking about giving him a deadline that is before he can actually sign for us without a release, that is madness. Just because you have an offer in for someone doesn't mean you stop negotiating with others. If talks are progressing well with another player and you decide to go in a different direction that is when you withdraw JAC's offer.

if he doesn’t sign on for 2022 come November 1 as he has supposedly agreed to terms previously then I’m pretty sure the club will know where they stand

I think they have a pretty good idea already.

Agree... Do you think we increase our offer by 50-100k to make it happen? If you asked me that question 4 months ago I would of said NO way. However after the way he has beefed up and seems to be getting involved more for the storm I really do think he will become a great FB once he settles in. If he is successful at FB he will be getting the higher money anyway but because we are not the most attractive club maybe we need to add the extra money now or remove the clauses regarding games played there as advised.

I'd offer him a bit more but we also have to be careful that we don't end up in a situation where he comes but has one eye looking elsewhere waiting for an opportunity to arise where a position comes available elsewhere. What would be worse than missing him would be to get him and then have him leave when a position at the club he wants to be at becomes available.

I believe we have offered a 3 or 4 year deal so should give us plenty of time wrap him up in our web :grinning: :grinning:

Not if he pulls a Matterson. Which is unlikely but he is already leaving one contract early.

 

[JD Tiger]

According to what we've heard on here, JAC already agreed to our terms a few weeks ago. Apparently after that he may have went a bit cold. But come Nov 1, he has agreed to terms already, so we show him the contract (starting from 2022 if need be) and he either signs or doesn't. If not, we ask him why not sign, is it some issue that can be worked out? If not, and he wants to go elsewhere, then fine, good luck, on your bike.

I don't see any reason why this potential signing should continue through the upcoming weeks. State of Origin? No, he can still move his hand and sign a piece of paper.

Hoping we get a resolution in this soon, and if not, then I think the club has learnt nothing from Dogshot Mitchell last year.