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@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214458) said:
@tony-soprano said in [JAC](/post/1214448) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1214443) said:
i would not offer Nofo anymore than 450k what he is on now his attack is great defence is awful. Good luck to him if he can get more elsewhere,
if we had to pay a premium for JAC maybe the other wing is AJ or Hoffman

Nofo can’t stay on his wing in D.

He and Joey Leilua must be the worst defensive wing/centre combination in the NRL.

Not true.

![32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1598482074694-32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png)
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [JAC](/post/1214461) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214458) said:
@tony-soprano said in [JAC](/post/1214448) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1214443) said:
i would not offer Nofo anymore than 450k what he is on now his attack is great defence is awful. Good luck to him if he can get more elsewhere,
if we had to pay a premium for JAC maybe the other wing is AJ or Hoffman

Nofo can’t stay on his wing in D.

He and Joey Leilua must be the worst defensive wing/centre combination in the NRL.

Not true.

![32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1598482074694-32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png)

Would be interesting to see that stat when Benji isn't defending on that right side and Reynolds was there.
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [JAC](/post/1214461) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214458) said:
@tony-soprano said in [JAC](/post/1214448) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1214443) said:
i would not offer Nofo anymore than 450k what he is on now his attack is great defence is awful. Good luck to him if he can get more elsewhere,
if we had to pay a premium for JAC maybe the other wing is AJ or Hoffman

Nofo can’t stay on his wing in D.

He and Joey Leilua must be the worst defensive wing/centre combination in the NRL.

Not true.

![32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1598482074694-32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png)

Be interesting to see the stats if all combinations had played the same number of games!

So does that mean they are in the Top 4?
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214465) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [JAC](/post/1214461) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214458) said:
@tony-soprano said in [JAC](/post/1214448) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1214443) said:
i would not offer Nofo anymore than 450k what he is on now his attack is great defence is awful. Good luck to him if he can get more elsewhere,
if we had to pay a premium for JAC maybe the other wing is AJ or Hoffman

Nofo can’t stay on his wing in D.

He and Joey Leilua must be the worst defensive wing/centre combination in the NRL.

Not true.

![32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1598482074694-32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png)

Be interesting to see the stats if all combinations had played the same number of games!

So does that mean they are in the Top 4?

It would appear so, but they are not the worst, and at least their try scoring rate is up there with the amount they let in. Look at Blake and Ferguson. Better pairing on paper and significantly worse.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214458) said:
@tony-soprano said in [JAC](/post/1214448) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1214443) said:
i would not offer Nofo anymore than 450k what he is on now his attack is great defence is awful. Good luck to him if he can get more elsewhere,
if we had to pay a premium for JAC maybe the other wing is AJ or Hoffman

Nofo can’t stay on his wing in D.

He and Joey Leilua must be the worst defensive wing/centre combination in the NRL.

No that's Marsters and O'Neill followed by Blake and Fergo..
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [JAC](/post/1214467) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214465) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [JAC](/post/1214461) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214458) said:
@tony-soprano said in [JAC](/post/1214448) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1214443) said:
i would not offer Nofo anymore than 450k what he is on now his attack is great defence is awful. Good luck to him if he can get more elsewhere,
if we had to pay a premium for JAC maybe the other wing is AJ or Hoffman

Nofo can’t stay on his wing in D.

He and Joey Leilua must be the worst defensive wing/centre combination in the NRL.

Not true.

![32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1598482074694-32424264-50b8-4a71-b27c-dd09ef64f970-image.png)

Be interesting to see the stats if all combinations had played the same number of games!

So does that mean they are in the Top 4?

It would appear so, but they are not the worst, and at least their try scoring rate is up there with the amount they let in. Look at Blake and Ferguson. Better pairing on paper and significantly worse.

Benji attracts a lot of criticism but if your centre and winger cannot defend, the team struggles. How many games have these two been in the NRL? The question that needs to be asked of Nofoaluma is, why can't you learn after all this time?

At least with Benji we know he has had extensive shoulder injuries.
 
@Geo said in [JAC](/post/1214469) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214458) said:
@tony-soprano said in [JAC](/post/1214448) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1214443) said:
i would not offer Nofo anymore than 450k what he is on now his attack is great defence is awful. Good luck to him if he can get more elsewhere,
if we had to pay a premium for JAC maybe the other wing is AJ or Hoffman

Nofo can’t stay on his wing in D.

He and Joey Leilua must be the worst defensive wing/centre combination in the NRL.

No that's Marsters and O'Neill followed by Blake and Fergo..

So the bar is not set high. Notice the number of games played. They still have the potential to slide comfortably into second. Slide being the operative word.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214447) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [JAC](/post/1214425) said:
Well JAC left prior he is not a club man.
He edges to be paid as a full back but is really a winger. If we sign him I can see him clashing with Madge and then that can effect the overall team harmony.
He is a type of person that only cares about himself take the COVID issues earlier in the year
No thanks to coming back let’s good that Madge is smarter not to psg overs on a winger.

We've had the NSW SOO coach on national television advise that not only is JAC a hard trainer, he is great for morale in the dressing room. He sounds exactly the calibre of player we need at WTs. And a player wanting to maximise his income?

Don't doubt what you say Paws. But....

If he can't be a hard trainer for NSW, give a Morale boost to the NSW team et all. Show any dodgy traits in a rep team and you are out.

What is he like in clubland? What is he like off the field in clubland? Would Freddie Know? I'll answer - No he wouldn't.

Is he after more dough? Does he want to play more with his mate Latrine than us? Is he serious about FB? Is his track record of being smart off the field any good?

500k max. on the wing ONLY. Doubt he would add much to our team at the moment anyway - we have no one to set him up at this stage.

We need halves badly, that is where the dough should go imo. Burton for sure, Widdop short term (2) or .....

Pretty sure JAC will be with his mate myself.
 
All this talk about paying JAC $600-$800k is crazy. Firstly we have far more important issues in our squad that we need to fix. As our cap $$ are limited, we need to build our squad with the right fundamental foundations if we want to progress towards playing finals. Adding JAC to our current roster will not get us where we want to be.
Our priorities need to be focused on upgrading our pack with at least 2 middles that actually are mobile, bend the line, run big metres consistently, can offload and defend like they mean it. Not easy to find i admit, but the best sides have them.
We also must prioritize a half to replace Benji and JR.
Spending the bulk of our funds on a winger before these key positions are improved is like having the icing without the cake!
Secondly we are a club that needs its players to really want to be WTs and i am not sure that JAC does- he strikes me as rather mercenary and I believe he'd prefer the rabbits
 
@Russell said in [JAC](/post/1214504) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214447) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [JAC](/post/1214425) said:
Well JAC left prior he is not a club man.
He edges to be paid as a full back but is really a winger. If we sign him I can see him clashing with Madge and then that can effect the overall team harmony.
He is a type of person that only cares about himself take the COVID issues earlier in the year
No thanks to coming back let’s good that Madge is smarter not to psg overs on a winger.

We've had the NSW SOO coach on national television advise that not only is JAC a hard trainer, he is great for morale in the dressing room. He sounds exactly the calibre of player we need at WTs. And a player wanting to maximise his income?

Don't doubt what you say Paws. But....

If he can't be a hard trainer for NSW, give a Morale boost to the NSW team et all. Show any dodgy traits in a rep team and you are out.

What is he like in clubland? What is he like off the field in clubland? Would Freddie Know? I'll answer - No he wouldn't.

Is he after more dough? Does he want to play more with his mate Latrine than us? Is he serious about FB? Is his track record of being smart off the field any good?

500k max. on the wing ONLY. Doubt he would add much to our team at the moment anyway - we have no one to set him up at this stage.

We need halves badly, that is where the dough should go imo. Burton for sure, Widdop short term (2) or .....

Pretty sure JAC will be with his mate myself.

Good questions Russell. At club level, Bellamy would not put up with anything less than professionalism. Maguire having studied under Bellamy would have confidence in the Storm system. JAC has taken his game to a new level at the Storm.

CCTW's post is interesting to read. It is worth a second or third look.

Our dire need is for genuine pace, both in attack and defence. Gould mentions JAC every Storm game. His presence changes the dynamics of a team.

Of course he wants to maximise his income. I have no issue with this desire. I believe he likes the WTs. He is a rep player and a very good one. I hope he is onboard with WTs.

Imagine Talau, Kei, Kepaoa, Rizk and co carefully watching how JAC prepares for a game. His professionalism will influence our younger players. They will be like sponges and on the left having JAC talking to Talau in defence and positioning in attack will be hugely beneficial.
 
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me 🌝
 
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me 🌝

He has family issues. That is not sooking. He has asked for a release and has been granted a conditional one.

Covid is a significant change to out lives. Individuals react differently and we need to accept that will occur.
 
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me 🌝

I'd have more faith in JAC's professionalism than the numpties in our team. Most of our players barely even turn up on game day.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214516) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me ?

He has family issues. That is not sooking. He has asked for a release and has been granted a conditional one.

Covid is a significant change to out lives. Individuals react differently and we need to accept that will occur.


Good points paws.he will probably be in a better headspace in Sydney
 
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214528) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214516) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me ?

He has family issues. That is not sooking. He has asked for a release and has been granted a conditional one.

Covid is a significant change to out lives. Individuals react differently and we need to accept that will occur.


Good points paws.he will probably be in a better headspace in Sydney

For sure an extra 300 to 400K pa would put anybody in a better headspace..
 
@avocadoontoast said in [JAC](/post/1214523) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me ?

I'd have more faith in JAC's professionalism than the numpties in our team. Most of our players barely even turn up on game day.


I would of disagreed two months ago.
The boys look so disinterested lately
Thank god grant is back
 
@Geo said in [JAC](/post/1214529) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214528) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1214516) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me ?

He has family issues. That is not sooking. He has asked for a release and has been granted a conditional one.

Covid is a significant change to out lives. Individuals react differently and we need to accept that will occur.


Good points paws.he will probably be in a better headspace in Sydney

For sure an extra 300 to 400K pa would put anybody in a better headspace..


All I need is like 5k PA to never leave the house again
 
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214530) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [JAC](/post/1214523) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me ?

I'd have more faith in JAC's professionalism than the numpties in our team. Most of our players barely even turn up on game day.


I would of disagreed two months ago.
The boys look so disinterested lately
Thank god grant is back

they don't care.
 
@Moh said in [JAC](/post/1210285) said:
@Toowoomba_Tiger said in [JAC](/post/1210221) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [JAC](/post/1210209) said:
@Russell said in [JAC](/post/1210129) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [JAC](/post/1210005) said:
@tigerap said in [JAC](/post/1209762) said:
So Bellamy wants Tommy Talu in return....”get stuffed”...take Jennings or nothing.....

Addo carr plays right wing at Melbourne
A trade for Nofoaluma could work
It would probably still leave us with enough money for Stains as well
They both want fullback, they can fight it out with each other
Winner gets the fullback spot
The other gets the wing spot
Fail at fullback and go back to the wing

Why are we trading?

Why would we trade a player who has scored more tries this year than JAC?

What's that old saying
Defence wins matches
You can score 20 tries in a season
But if you let 30 in what's the point
David Nofoaluma has played well in attack this year
But its his defence that constantly lets him down
You can blame his inside men but in my eyes he appears to come in off his wing way to much
And he rarely contests the ball on a kick
Its frustrating to watch

Man these comments frustrate me. It happens to every winger in the Nrl. Its Rugby League 101. Stack 1 side in attack and catch the defence with an overlap. Inevitably the winger gets caught coming in.

Blokes have been burning their opposite wingers down the flank for 100 years. Pretty sure most tries are still scored close to the corner. No doubt there are times he could stay out wider, but seriously have a look at every other team and winger. He's not on his post malone

PREACH.

I don't know why people think it's just Nofo.

Going wide the attacking team is looking for an overlap.


Of course every team tries to sack one side or drag defenders in to force an overlap. The fact that it is SUCH a common tactic means that it is a critical part of a wingers job to make good decisions when facing a small finite set of defensive possibilities. Wingers are not helpless in most situations and there is always an option that is the most effective or most likely to prevent a try.

Nofo FREQUENTLY takes the wrong option and that is a problem. Couple of weeks ago the opposition DID NOT have an overlap and were only a couple of metres off our line without momentum. Joey had the centre under control and Nofo screamed in to help Joey on his centre, leaving the winger an unopposed line from only 2m out. It was disgraceful. Make a decision and at least have a chance in a 1 on 1 tackle.

I am not knocking Nofo for the sake of it. He has been fantastic this year and has made great metres in every game. I'd be picking him every week, but it seems to be an ingrained bug in his system that he makes these bad decisions regularly.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [JAC](/post/1214523) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [JAC](/post/1214514) said:
I’m not 100% sold on JAC’s professionalism
He broke COVID restrictions and is sooking to get a early release
Not very professional to me ?

I'd have more faith in JAC's professionalism than the numpties in our team. Most of our players barely even turn up on game day.

X2
We need a team of players who show the capacity to consistently uphold professional (NRL) standard/s on the field, can work conducively with teammates, can help lift the performance of the team, have athletic ability and is able to competently fulfill positional and (the) team requirements.
JAC is a good start and ticks all boxes.

Any recruits we target should be players who always play with a certain level of pride and the desire to win.
 
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