JAC

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I don’t really see what the big deal with JAC is . Sure he’s fast , and an amazing winger , but is he worth all the angst , some are putting themselves through ? I was super keen for LM last year , and definitely got my hopes up , only to really change my tune when I saw photos of him and his general attitude .

I am no where near those levels of keen for JaC. I really don’t think he moves the needle as much as we all might hope .
I hope we have the right players in our juniors coming through . Every year there’s someone . It could be Cini . It could be Kei . Maybe Talau and Kepoa make a leap . We definitely develop them . They just hit their peak elsewhere previously due to our crappy decison making .
I really feel edge backrower , is a huge area for growth in the team. And I’d be looking real hard at Angus . And , much to the naysayers disgust , giving DWZ a room at the last chance Inn. We’ve definitely had a few of those in the past turn out to be Great buys . I’m not saying to play fullback but yea why not . Also those Eddie Gebbie highlights are hard to look away from .
I guess I’m saying we weren’t looking for him to play wing . So everything you’ve seen , could be irrelevant. It’s really hard to see whether it’s worth all the emotion . LM , I got it , and was kinda hoping I was right , and he was fat and lazy . Turns out he’s still amazing.
JAC makes me feel ... indifference .


He’s one of those players who has x-factor. It’s been a very long time since we signed a player like that (Lote?). I made the mistake of getting caught up in the LM saga last year, so I’m staying out of this. I’d love to get him, but if we don’t, life will go on. We still have some serious cash to spend for 2022 regardless.

I would add Tuiaki, Ellis, and Payton in this group,

 

[JC99]

When JAC was asked if he had singed of Heads of agreement I would have expected him to replay "What's that?", unless of course someone had explained it to him recently for some reason. I don't know what it means but it didn't look honest to me.

It is also possible the HoA story originally posted on this forum first and that's when the media got it from.

Well he said no to the interview but when interviewed by SMH he just said ‘next question’ so somethings up there. Answered strange in the video too. I get the feeling he did it but doesn’t want to say it publicly for whatever reason

Probably sick of the questions daily and would prefer to focus on the origin series

Can’t blame him for that at all

Speaking of origin man am I keen for it! Even though it’s a little hampered down by being at seasons end they’re always the best quality game s

 

[watersider]

I think the club has learnt a lot from the LM saga and has been very quiet publicly. I like what seems to be their stance of a good contract and the opportunity to play fullback, but no swap of our talented players (we have few enough of them already). If he doesn't sign, so be it. I'd also add that JAC has been all class in everything he's said and done around this. Unlike LM who didn't seem to handle it that well, JAC's been clear and open about everything. If he goes to Souths they'll be exciting to watch and I can understand him preferring that option if it's available. I really want him here and think he would make a huge difference to our backline. I was so pissed off when we lost him (and Marika). Our talent identification back then was miserable. Club really can't do more in this instance, it is the wrong move to give up quality players for the chance to sign him. I also think Storm are perfectly entitled to stick to the contract, I'm impressed by their resilience and I think WTs wilted in such situations in the past.

 

[tiger_one]

I think the club has learnt a lot from the LM saga and has been very quiet publicly. I like what seems to be their stance of a good contract and the opportunity to play fullback, but no swap of our talented players (we have few enough of them already). If he doesn't sign, so be it. I'd also add that JAC has been all class in everything he's said and done around this. Unlike LM who didn't seem to handle it that well, JAC's been clear and open about everything. If he goes to Souths they'll be exciting to watch and I can understand him preferring that option if it's available. I really want him here and think he would make a huge difference to our backline. I was so pissed off when we lost him (and Marika). Our talent identification back then was miserable. Club really can't do more in this instance, it is the wrong move to give up quality players for the chance to sign him. I also think Storm are perfectly entitled to stick to the contract, I'm impressed by their resilience and I think WTs wilted in such situations in the past.

Agree with this post.

 

[mike]

JAC watch: Day 74

 

[tony soprano]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

Mate, he could have signed with us yesterday for 2022, if he wanted.

It seems that he did not, because he doesn't want to.

2022 is a long way away. He would be stupid to sign for any club for 2022 right now. That doesn’t mean he didn’t want to sign for 2021

He didn't

You’ve had this opinion and never had any proof as to why you think this. It seems to me you are just assuming. Plenty of good sources have said the opposite

I won't give up cochise's source on this as I know who it is, but he's not spinning rubbish.

If that is the case we should remove our offer immediately.

And why would we do that? So many of you draw your own conclusions based on rumour, not facts. That's an ignorant way to live.

I thought u knew Cochise source JAC wants to go to Souths, I was taking your word on that.

 

[Guest]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

Mate, he could have signed with us yesterday for 2022, if he wanted.

It seems that he did not, because he doesn't want to.

2022 is a long way away. He would be stupid to sign for any club for 2022 right now. That doesn’t mean he didn’t want to sign for 2021

He didn't

You’ve had this opinion and never had any proof as to why you think this. It seems to me you are just assuming. Plenty of good sources have said the opposite

I won't give up cochise's source on this as I know who it is, but he's not spinning rubbish.

If that is the case we should remove our offer immediately.

And why would we do that? So many of you draw your own conclusions based on rumour, not facts. That's an ignorant way to live.

I thought u knew Cochise source JAC wants to go to Souths, I was taking your word on that.

I do know the source. Doesn't mean JAC has made a decision or signed for a club yet.

 

[TCL]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

 

[tony soprano]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

It’s no point pointing finger now the club was in a bad spot when Taylor took over with the cap and financially

The potter Taylor were dark days where we are still feeling the effect

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I don’t really see what the big deal with JAC is . Sure he’s fast , and an amazing winger , but is he worth all the angst , some are putting themselves through ? I was super keen for LM last year , and definitely got my hopes up , only to really change my tune when I saw photos of him and his general attitude .

I am no where near those levels of keen for JaC. I really don’t think he moves the needle as much as we all might hope .
I hope we have the right players in our juniors coming through . Every year there’s someone . It could be Cini . It could be Kei . Maybe Talau and Kepoa make a leap . We definitely develop them . They just hit their peak elsewhere previously due to our crappy decison making .
I really feel edge backrower , is a huge area for growth in the team. And I’d be looking real hard at Angus . And , much to the naysayers disgust , giving DWZ a room at the last chance Inn. We’ve definitely had a few of those in the past turn out to be Great buys . I’m not saying to play fullback but yea why not . Also those Eddie Gebbie highlights are hard to look away from .
I guess I’m saying we weren’t looking for him to play wing . So everything you’ve seen , could be irrelevant. It’s really hard to see whether it’s worth all the emotion . LM , I got it , and was kinda hoping I was right , and he was fat and lazy . Turns out he’s still amazing.
JAC makes me feel ... indifference .


He’s one of those players who has x-factor. It’s been a very long time since we signed a player like that (Lote?). I made the mistake of getting caught up in the LM saga last year, so I’m staying out of this. I’d love to get him, but if we don’t, life will go on. We still have some serious cash to spend for 2022 regardless.

I would add Tuiaki, Ellis, and Payton in this group,

They were great players, but they weren’t x-factor signings. They weren’t the type of players that made people go “Wow see who the Tigers signed”. Tuiaki was unknown, as was Ellis to an extent. JAC would be on a different level. He’d be a rock star signing for us.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

It’s no point pointing finger now the club was in a bad spot when Taylor took over with the cap and financially

The potter Taylor were dark days where we are still feeling the effect

I disagree. The darkness atm was caused by Cleary and how he bungled the cap. He walked into the job with an entire cap at his disposal, to mould the side however he saw fit. We’re now hamstrung by long term big money contracts thanks to him.

 

[mike]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

It’s no point pointing finger now the club was in a bad spot when Taylor took over with the cap and financially

The potter Taylor were dark days where we are still feeling the effect

I disagree. The darkness atm was caused by Cleary and how he bungled the cap. He walked into the job with an entire cap at his disposal, to mould the side however he saw fit. We’re now hamstrung by long term big money contracts thanks to him.

Voldemort has a lot to answer for.

 

[tony soprano]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

It’s no point pointing finger now the club was in a bad spot when Taylor took over with the cap and financially

The potter Taylor were dark days where we are still feeling the effect

I disagree. The darkness atm was caused by Cleary and how he bungled the cap. He walked into the job with an entire cap at his disposal, to mould the side however he saw fit. We’re now hamstrung by long term big money contracts thanks to him.

That was the second wave.

But it’s good to see we getting back to juniors which I think gives the club Some identity Which has been missing since the sheens days.


The club moved away from that post sheens to Madge era

Plus administration up until potter left was a joke players not getting paid, faulton said potter didn’t even get to make decisions and leaks everywhere

 

[earl]

Reading the latest herald article.

Storm still want Talau or Nofo. Tigers won’t budge, unlikely to get JAC as he wants the storm to part on good terms so no swap no deal

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/everyone-knows-what-i-want-fox-keen-on-sydney-coy-about-tigers-20201102-p56asm.html

Who cares? Keep Nofa and Talau and let JAC go elsewhere. No big deal, in my opinion.

Why would we make this trade. We'd be going backwards and it would highlight a terrible culture at the club.

 

[earl]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

You can't make someone sign who doesn't want to be here.

He was ready to join and we couldn’t do a deal with Melbourne simple as that, there’s no other way to put it. 2022 is a long way away and I don’t blame him for not committing to us for then, footy is a business and he is being a smart businessman. If we had done a deal with storm he would be on our books already

None of us know for a fact he was ready to join us
Maybe Josh wanted more from us
Maybe more money
Maybe a one year contract so he could move to souths in 2022 and we weren't prepared to do that
And if he is willing to wait and play another year in Melbourne before he comes back to Sydney then he could still come back to our club if he wanted to
But its time we all realised what's really happening
We are being screwed but this time we won't give in
Good on the club for standing up for once
And its about bloody time to
If josh wants to be here then he will come
But by all reports and what we see going on he simply does not want to come back here
And I for one don't want another player at our club that does not want to be here
Remember what happened to Matterson and Moses
I would rather continue down the path of offering the best youg talent a spot at our club
Forget about Addo-Carr and move on

If josh Wants to be here he can’t sign he won’t get a release lol, why does everyone think he doesn’t want to join he’s stuck at Melbourne!

He has stated numerous times he won't be there next season. He can also sign for 2022 today. He will be released without a trade.

We need to look at this situation realistically just like all signings. If players don't want to sign we just move on. If clubs want to screw us over we just say we aren't playing that game.

I want to get JAC but it's not the end of the world or even close to it. You just don't know what is going to happen over the course of the next couple of seasons.

Relax. It'll all be alright. We appear to be re-signing Madge. We have a decent squad and look to be purchasing some quality junior talent. We just need some top end talent to come here. We may develop those players or we may purchase them.

Who knows what will happen over the next month as well. JAC may even sign here.

 

[earl]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

It’s no point pointing finger now the club was in a bad spot when Taylor took over with the cap and financially

The potter Taylor were dark days where we are still feeling the effect

I disagree. The darkness atm was caused by Cleary and how he bungled the cap. He walked into the job with an entire cap at his disposal, to mould the side however he saw fit. We’re now hamstrung by long term big money contracts thanks to him.

I have no personal animosity towards Cleary but he made some terrible decisions. It was almost like he didn't care. I suppose he cared a bit but that just means he was incompetent. I don't believe he should be employable after those mistakes and then the way he left showed he had basically no integrity. I'm so glad he is gone.

 

[Bob]

Is it bad that I don’t see JT’s reign as totally terrible?

Don’t get me wrong that man cannot coach, our performances were shocking. But he left the club with no long term and the four “stars” were on the fence for RE-signing.

Cleary however left the cap decimated for years three of the four “stars” left

Neither coach made the finals

Only difference is that JT got rid of Farah and Benji (can someone confirm?) which should of been handled better.

I’m not saying we should of kept him, just that he did a decent job of clearing all the deadwood to get a clean surface and Cleary decimated that clean surface and left it exploding in his exit.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

It’s no point pointing finger now the club was in a bad spot when Taylor took over with the cap and financially

The potter Taylor were dark days where we are still feeling the effect

I disagree. The darkness atm was caused by Cleary and how he bungled the cap. He walked into the job with an entire cap at his disposal, to mould the side however he saw fit. We’re now hamstrung by long term big money contracts thanks to him.

Voldemort has a lot to answer for.

It was the big 4 scenario that hamstrung us. So much was banked on them and even the media beat up that we had to keep them together gave management pat’s on the back that we were doing the right thing. Got to a stage and where if it didn’t happen were screwed. No plan b. Poor recruiting plan. Cleary panicked and spent all the money. Still no back up plan being installed,poor recruiting still.
I really think this is being addressed under Madge

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The cumulative impact of losing Koroibete, Simona, JAC has been underestimated. Imagine a WTs' backline with those three players present. There us no substitute for genuine pace and the ability to finish. Any club would suffer from these losses.

 

[earl]

Is it bad that I don’t see JT’s reign as totally terrible?

At the time I thought it was terrible because I think he created needless drama and that stuffed us. We also lost Tapau, Moses, Tedesco and Woods. We would be a better team with those 4 players but Tedesco is a top level player worth what he were going to pay him. The other guys weren't worth to us what other clubs were paying them. So although you could state we under performed and he stuffed our roster I still don't think it was as bad as Cleary.

Our cap was fine. If we just hadn't thrown money at a bunch of dud signings I think we'd be a lot better now.