Jackson Hastings #251

[innsaneink]

How often and evident has it been that weve seen Brooks... Usually late in the set, not call a play, therefore no one else knows what's going on... He runs it either crossfield or diagonally towards the blind side only to run into a dead end... He props.. then heads back infield to be smothered by defense

 

[Halbrowne61]

Except it’s wrong.

How so ?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How so ?

The difference in LBAs and TAs was noticeable which is relevant with the style of football Sheens, Marshall and Faran want the team to play.

 

[mike]

Just read his cv on LinkedIn. He only did 2 1/2 years at the Western Bulldogs( 2005-7) so wouldn’t say his background is AFL, as we also know he came from Penrith to Tigers.
In addition has had a fairly diverse career in some large organisations, I’d say his background is corporate more than anything but been with us over 7 years.

Still doesn’t make him qualified to be CEO of a Rugby League Club. He has been CEO of the worst years of Wests Tigers. Much of it his making. He needs to be elsewhere.

 

[tony soprano]

Still doesn’t make him qualified to be CEO of a Rugby League Club. He has been CEO of the worst years of Wests Tigers. Much of it his making. He needs to be elsewhere.

Ok CEO.

 

[tigertuff]

You need someone leading the way.....if the commentators are saying theres no talk thats never a good thing

Not sure if you have ever been to a major semi or grand final but you can't hear a thing. I couldn't hear my missus sitting next to me. You can bark what ever orders on the field you want , there won't be to many players hearing it.

 

[Halbrowne61]

The difference in LBAs and TAs was noticeable which is relevant with the style of football Sheens, Marshall and Faran want the team to play.

See your point, so I guess what we’re really saying it was good analysis, still to be proven in 23 depending on style. I can buy that.
But just to have that data available I thought was astute. I hadn’t seen it before.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

See your point, so I guess what we’re really saying it was good analysis, still to be proven in 23 depending on style. I can buy that.
But just to have that data available I thought was astute. I hadn’t seen it before.

The analysis was impressive but more importantly MT took the time to compile it. Well done to him and to you for recognising it.

 

[Halbrowne61]

Still doesn’t make him qualified to be CEO of a Rugby League Club. He has been CEO of the worst years of Wests Tigers. Much of it his making. He needs to be elsewhere.

I think it comes back to the circle of management and where his influence starts and ends.
If you’re saying the club is in a bad way financially/administratively incorrect. Finances good, hat sales up, CoE built/opened under his watch.
If you’re saying the club is in a bad way
operationally, correct.But did Pascoe oversee every poor decision, partially.
Between you and I, I don’t think he’s going anywhere at present, so let’s just see if he ( and the whole club) have learnt anything from past mistakes, and can turn things around.

 

[Halbrowne61]

You need someone leading the way.....if the commentators are saying theres no talk thats never a good thing

I’ve always thought you need some leadership tactically ( what plays we’re going to try, based on observations),positionally shouldn’t come into it for first grade footballers.

 

[twentyforty]

I always laugh when people suggest that a halfback has to organize first grade footballers where to be on the field or what to do. How funny is that.

 

[Telltails]

I’ve always thought you need some leadership tactically ( what plays we’re going to try, based on observations),positionally shouldn’t come into it for first grade footballers.

It's not just about tactics. It's about setting standards. Your leaders demand players around them lift to get into game and stay in the game. Any one who think coaches don't need those type of players on the field is kidding themselves.
Mentally those players are the type that switch on when they on the field because they want to compete. The best teams have them and to be successful you need them.

 

[Tigerwould]

I'm not forgetting anything.
Hastings played 66% of the season, 16 games, 1 less game than Brooks.
2 games Hastings played with Brooks was named halfback. Storm & Knights.
Against the Knights Hastings touched the ball more than Brooks 60 to 46 receipts.

The Storm game is the only game Hastings touched the ball less than Brooks when they played together in his 16 games including the Broncos game where he got injured.

If we look at possessions effectiveness from an attacking lens it's very clear how the effectiveness difference between Hastings and Brooks. Hastings was actually the least effective creating half in the comp in 22.

Hastings 1210, 4 line break assists (0.003%), 7 Try Assists (0.006%) - notice the extra 0 in the %
Brooks 856, 12 LBA (0.014%) , 11 TA (0.013%)

Thanks for putting together all the data. Can see why Sheens doesn’t see him in the halves.
Hopefully the club has some good junior 7’s coming through as they are rare at NRL level.
Also hope they are negotiating hard for M.Moses or trying to find a good one in the UK.
I’m more confident about the forwards we currently have signed for 2023. Less so about the spine (bar Api).

 

[innsaneink]

The poster laughing at players needing to be organised.... Have a watch of of a one armed Cronk in the GF a few years back... They don't win without him

 

[cktiger]

Thanks for putting together all the data. Can see why Sheens doesn’t see him in the halves.
Hopefully the club has some good junior 7’s coming through as they are rare at NRL level.
Also hope they are negotiating hard for M.Moses or trying to find a good one in the UK.
I’m more confident about the forwards we currently have signed for 2023. Less so about the spine (bar Api).

Unfortunately stats don’t tell you everything.
Try assists based on the last pass.
How many of Brooks were from plays created by Hastings?
All Brooks did was pass the ball after the work was done.
Want the real stats?
How many finals has Brooks got us into or even played?
How many times has Brooks been selected (or even been considered) in a top level rep team?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Unfortunately stats don’t tell you everything.
Try assists based on the last pass.
How many of Brooks were from plays created by Hastings?
All Brooks did was pass the ball after the work was done.
Want the real stats?
How many finals has Brooks got us into or even played?
How many times has Brooks been selected (or even been considered) in a top level rep team?

Hastings was actually the least effective creating half in the comp in 22.

 

[twentyforty]

Unfortunately stats don’t tell you everything.
Try assists based on the last pass.
How many of Brooks were from plays created by Hastings?
All Brooks did was pass the ball after the work was done.
Want the real stats?
How many finals has Brooks got us into or even played?
How many times has Brooks been selected (or even been considered) in a top level rep team?

Hahaha, ck you can you discount stats by using more stats as evidence? They are two totally different 7s in the way they behave on field. Hastings is a schemer, while Brooks is an opportunist. Both have something to offer.
I would love them at 13 and 7 if they could work out the rough edges, and Hastings could stop playing like a 7.
I hope we can sort out this spine so they get a good preseason to make it work.

 

[Tim Sheens]

It's not just about tactics. It's about setting standards. Your leaders demand players around them lift to get into game and stay in the game. Any one who think coaches don't need those type of players on the field is kidding themselves.
Mentally those players are the type that switch on when they on the field because they want to compete. The best teams have them and to be successful you need them.

Agreed. Trouble is that very few also have the abilities required to fulfil the many other requirements of playing in said position, particularly in the halves.

Jackson Hastings falls squarely into that category for mine, whilst Brooks is lacking a little in the character traits area that you observed.

On balance, I have Luke ahead overall and see Jackson as somewhat similar to Todd Payten, in that his mind is genuine half back, but other attributes and/or lack of level of them, have him better suited elsewhere.

 

[tony soprano]

I'm not forgetting anything.
Hastings played 66% of the season, 16 games, 1 less game than Brooks.
2 games Hastings played with Brooks was named halfback. Storm & Knights.
Against the Knights Hastings touched the ball more than Brooks 60 to 46 receipts.

The Storm game is the only game Hastings touched the ball less than Brooks when they played together in his 16 games including the Broncos game where he got injured.

If we look at possessions effectiveness from an attacking lens it's very clear how the effectiveness difference between Hastings and Brooks. Hastings was actually the least effective creating half in the comp in 22.

Hastings 1210, 4 line break assists (0.003%), 7 Try Assists (0.006%) - notice the extra 0 in the %
Brooks 856, 12 LBA (0.014%) , 11 TA (0.013%)

But but his a controlling halfback .

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Unfortunately stats don’t tell you everything.
Try assists based on the last pass.
How many of Brooks were from plays created by Hastings?
All Brooks did was pass the ball after the work was done.
Want the real stats?
How many finals has Brooks got us into or even played?
How many times has Brooks been selected (or even been considered) in a top level rep team?

Unlike NBA, in the NRL a try assist isn’t last pass. It’s the person (apart from the tryscorer) who most contributed to the try being scored.